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#1942111 - 08/13/12 05:18 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Hope you don't mind my linking here to my video in the Cliburn amateur video contest:



It has Chopin's E minor Waltz and Horowitz's little-known "Danse Excentrique." The Horowitz is getting more attention, but the Chopin is better played. smile


Lovely!

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#1942991 - 08/15/12 03:43 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Thanks for posting the video, Mark. That E minor waltz isn't heard often enough, and I had never heard the Horowitz piece before at all-- what a pleasant surprise.

There was an email announcing the winner of the Cliburn amateur contest today, but other than the name of the first-prize winner, there was no information about how the contest turned out.

I don't think I thanked Frycek for the article on hammer felts. Very interesting. I had no idea that anything other than wool was ever used on hammers, and it had never occurred to me to wonder about it. So many substances are used in pianos, animal, vegetable, and mineral!

A couple of weeks ago my teacher attended the yearly seminar given by his own teacher, Sheila Paige, at I'm not sure which university, and he had the opportunity to play two fortepianos. One was a modern copy of a late 18th century instrument, but the other was actually built in the 1820s. I think he said that even that one still had a knee pedal. We were speculating on what Chopin's experience of such instruments might have been, and just what sort of pianos he was playing as a youngster.

I've just posted a review of the first Polish opera I'd ever heard, Karol Szymanowski's King Roger, which was performed at the Santa Fe Opera this summer.
King Roger Rules, Ambiguously

Szymanowski is practically the only Polish composer one hears much about besides you-know-who, and even so his work is not much known here. While writing the review, I read about him and also about Henryk Górecki, who became a cult favorite with his Symphony of Sorrowful Songs. Both of these men had devastating accidents in their childhoods, with lifelong consequences, and both were affected by tuberculosis, which killed Szymanowski. Almost as if there were some sort of tradition of composers having to endure great physical suffering.

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#1943133 - 08/15/12 11:41 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Elene: Thanks for the comments on the video. Regarding the lack of more info, the only info that is ever given is the winner.

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#1945278 - 08/19/12 02:08 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I'm surprised the Cliburn people don't list the second-place winner, etc., since they do talk about such persons from previous years.

Yesterday I had the good fortune to borrow an unusual Chopin album from, would you believe, my harpsichord teacher. It’s Janusz Olejniczak playing an 1831 Pleyel that belonged to Chopin. Unfortunately, nothing is said about the piano except that it was in a private collection.

Since the album appears to be unavailable, I’ve put one track where you can listen to it. I chose the “Revolutionary” Etude because it shows the characteristics of the instrument especially clearly:

10/12 on the 1831 Pleyel

While searching for that album, I found that NIFC has put out one with Olejniczak playing 1848 and 1849 instruments:

Polonezy, Mazurki, Nokturny

You can listen to tracks on their site. However, the album can be purchased for less through Amazon, and perhaps other places as well.

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#1945916 - 08/20/12 02:34 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene
I'm surprised the Cliburn people don't list the second-place winner, etc., since they do talk about such persons from previous years....

Elene,
I think you're probably remembering how it is for the in-person competitions. No results except the winner have ever been given for these video things.

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#1946077 - 08/20/12 11:27 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Oh, now I see that they have a separate amateur contest in addition to the video contest. There is a lot more information about how that has come out over the years.

In case it's inspiring:

http://www.cliburn.org/amateur-competition/past-amateur-competitions/winners-bios/

Elene

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#1946340 - 08/20/12 06:15 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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So at the risk of sounding silly...

I've gotten back into the swing of piano and have decided to pick up the Prelude No. 4 in E minor as a 'surprise' for my teacher who has been a longtime scholar of Chopin. I've not played any of his works before. I'm using a transcribed version available on IMSLP. Some questions:

-The music indicates pedal usage in only a couple of places (forgive me, I don't have the piece in front of me). In listening to performances on (gulp) YouTube, it seems like it's used throughout the piece and, thus far, this is how I'm playing it. Is this accepted practice?

-I feel like I play the piece with some degree of expression with respect to tempo, but not nearly as dramatic as some performances I've listened to (see above). Is there a typical pattern that's seen as 'correct' or is this totally within the performer's desired realm?

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#1946439 - 08/20/12 09:42 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Andy,

Chopin often indicates pedal only in places where he doesn't think what he wants is obvious to the player for one reason or another. Yes, you need to pedal throughout this piece with all its repeated chords.

The tempo can be somewhat elastic and of course you should play it as you feel it, but in general going to extremes is not the best idea with Chopin, who to the best of our knowledge played in a restrained manner.

Your teacher will no doubt have opinions about these matters!

This is a good pick for a first try at Chopin, perhaps the best and easiest choice.

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#1946759 - 08/21/12 04:55 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I just found something astonishing. My teacher and I were looking for some duets to try, and I made the comment that unfortunately, Chopin never wrote any. Except it seems that he did. Jan Ekier edited this set of variations on an Irish folk song, which was listed in my teacher's reference book on piano repertoire, and which I then found at IMSLP:

Variations sur un air national de Moore

What the????

While searching for something else, I also noticed that the NIFC is working on a facsimile edition of all the available Chopin manuscripts:

Chopin facsimile edition

But my teacher was thinking that there is an online source for Chopin autographs, as well. I can't find one. Anybody?

Elene

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#1946879 - 08/21/12 08:15 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene
I just found something astonishing. My teacher and I were looking for some duets to try, and I made the comment that unfortunately, Chopin never wrote any. Except it seems that he did. Jan Ekier edited this set of variations on an Irish folk song, which was listed in my teacher's reference book on piano repertoire, and which I then found at IMSLP:

Variations sur un air national de Moore

What the????

While searching for something else, I also noticed that the NIFC is working on a facsimile edition of all the available Chopin manuscripts:

Chopin facsimile edition

But my teacher was thinking that there is an online source for Chopin autographs, as well. I can't find one. Anybody?

Elene


Elene,

For duets, there's also the 4-hand version of Opus 1 (released with the famous Vigneron engraving of Chopin) - opinions are divided whether Chopin himself was responsible for the arrangement (I tend to think he was). And the Rondo for 2 pianos, op. 73.

NIFC's printed facsimile series is quite useful (I've done the intros for some of the mss in U.S. collections). For an online source, stay tuned - there may be some plans afoot in this area. If and when they become public, I'll post the news (unless one of the indefatigable denizens of this thread beats me to it).

Jeff Kallberg

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#1946940 - 08/21/12 10:18 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Jeff Kallberg]
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Thank you, Elene and Dr. Kallberg!
Great information!

And let me take the opportunity to mention....Mr. Ekier, besides being the editor of the Polish National Edition, was involved with the Chopin Competition organization over a very long period, including as chairman of the jury. He is still with us -- next week will be his 99th birthday. Among his various Chopin arrangements is his reconstruction/completion of the posthumous F minor Mazurka (Op. 68 #4). I have it on my program for next month's amateur Chopin competition and of course I hope very much to reach the round where the piece would be. I hope also that he may be doing well enough that I might be able to speak with him about the piece and about other things.

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#1946952 - 08/21/12 10:50 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene
But my teacher was thinking that there is an online source for Chopin autographs, as well. I can't find one. Anybody?

In the UK, the Online Chopin Variorum Edition contains some digitized manuscripts as well as impressions from the first editions. The project only includes a limited number of works so far, and I can't figure out if there has been any further activity since the conclusion of the 2009 phase of the research (as described in the About section). But it's an interesting vision for using online tools to compile and present musical sources.
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#1946978 - 08/21/12 11:42 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Thanks, Jeff and all! I'm a little embarrassed not to have known of any of these Chopin duets. Good to know there is another source for manuscripts too.

It looks like the secondo part of the Moore variations is mostly the work of Ekier rather than Chopin, but it's unclear from this scanned copy where the piece came from or how much of it was found originally. I'll see if the NIFC says anything about it. Jeff, do you have any more details about it, by any chance?

Mark, I remember you posting information about that mazurka in the past. Sincere best wishes for your upcoming competition performances.

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#1947050 - 08/22/12 03:36 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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What Irish air is it a variation of?
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#1947152 - 08/22/12 10:42 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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It doesn't say.

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#1947660 - 08/23/12 06:25 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I found a used copy on Bookfinder (Amazon UK) but I'm not willing to pay $23 to satisfy my curiosity (as it's four handed and I have only two). But Moore wrote some very pretty stuff that I can imagine appealing to Chopin. It's intriguing to think what he might've done with it.
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#1947960 - 08/23/12 04:08 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: -Frycek]
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Originally Posted By: -Frycek
What Irish air is it a variation of?


It's not an Irish air, but rather the "Carnival of Venice" theme that Moore apparently published in a collection of national tunes. This is the same tune Chopin varied in his "Souvenir de Paganini."

Jeff Kallberg

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#1948006 - 08/23/12 05:27 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Thanks, Jeff.
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#1954593 - 09/06/12 04:26 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: -Frycek]
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Hi again oh great Chopin ones! I got Hinson's FI (Mme d'Este's manuscript) as recommended by Elene (I think). Has anybody access to either Fontana's or d'Este's? In bar 5 Hinton's crescendo takes the whole bar whilst Fontana's only the first half (then followed by a decrescendo). My guess is Fontana made his up - Hinton seems urtext. Any help here?

edit: since found this at youtube - so Hinson is certainly right:


Anybody got access to Fontana's?


Edited by chopin_r_us (09/06/12 04:51 AM)

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#1955371 - 09/07/12 11:18 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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For whoever might be interested in following the amateur Chopin competition: It starts next Tuesday, Sept. 11 and runs through Sept. 15.

Preliminary round: Sept. 11-12
Semi-finals: Sept. 13
Finals: Sept. 14
"Winners concert": Sept. 15

We have (at least) 5 members participating: Hakki Bayka, Gorden Cheng, me, and a couple of people who haven't been very active here and might not want to be mentioned but I'd be thrilled if they come on and say 'hi' or tell me it's OK to mention them. smile

It's possible the performances may be live-streamed since this was done for the professional Chopin competition in 2010.

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#1955486 - 09/07/12 03:46 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mark_C]
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How exciting! Hope you do your excellent best, Mark C.
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#1955488 - 09/07/12 03:51 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mary-Rose]
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Thanks, Mary-Rose -- and it's great to be seeing you here!
Been too long. smile

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#1955530 - 09/07/12 05:01 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I wouldn't expect the performances to be streamed - they did the streaming for 2005 Chopin's competition as well, and no love for the amateur competition at all. But maybe something will be different this time.

I remember they promised to release the recordings of the performances last time, and nothing happened in that department either frown


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#1955759 - 09/08/12 04:05 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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I also notice the left hand accents are missing in Fontana. Anybody heard them in performance? I bet not.

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#1956141 - 09/08/12 09:47 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Just curious - has anybody here purchased the complete Edition Of Study Scores Chopin 2010 (red.: Jan Ekier, Paweł Kamiński)? Or do you usually purchase one volume at a time? smile
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#1957901 - 09/12/12 02:36 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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1. Wow, the amateur Chopin competition is going on right now! Keeping all our illustrious PW-ers in mind.

2. I think those accents in the Fantaisie-Impromptu more or less take care of themselves, but thanks for bringing them to our attention. I'm practicing this piece again, making progress, but I can only play up to tempo for a few measures at a time before breaking down in some way. Still not at Sam's level of achievement with it!

3. I didn't even know the Edition of Study Scores existed....

4. Is anyone here currently playing 48/1, or remembering their process of practicing it in the past? Any wise thoughts about dealing with those big LH chords in the middle section? Are you arpeggiating all of the ones that can't be reached with all the notes simultaneously, or playing some of the notes as a block and then jumping up to the rest? (Did that question make sense? I'm afraid maybe not.)

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#1957948 - 09/12/12 04:15 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Originally Posted By: Elene
1. Wow, the amateur Chopin competition is going on right now! Keeping all our illustrious PW-ers in mind....

....and all of your illustrious PW-ers made the semifinals! smile

Hakki Bayka
Gorden Cheng (fuzzy8balls)
Thang Dinh (LisztAddict)
Iona Luke (Jibbers)
.....and somehow I snuck past the goalie too.

Pretty cool that all 5 of us made it, eh.... smile

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#1957990 - 09/12/12 06:26 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]
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Warmest congratulations to all of you xx
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#1958095 - 09/12/12 11:35 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mark_C]
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Woohoo! Woohoo! Woohoo! (How do you say woohoo in Polish?)

Elene

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#1958132 - 09/13/12 02:31 AM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Elene]
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Woohoo! Woohoo! Woohoo! (How do you say woohoo in Polish?)

I don't know! Nobody's said it to me! ha

Thanks, Elene and Mary-Rose. smile

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