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#1972271 - 10/12/12 11:39 AM YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary
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Dear Yamaha Family,

We're sending you a standing ovation!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

What an amazing milestone, 125 years!

We have been so proud of your outstanding technological achievements and highly impressive products over the years. It is truly an honor to do business with such an exciting and innovative company. (Nearly 40 years and counting) We join you in your celebrations and we wish you continued success and prosperity! Here's to another 125 years!!!

Best Regards,
Jeff, Fritz & the rest of the GPH family

どうもありがとう (Domo Arigato)
ヤマハ株式会社 (Yamaha Kabushiki Gaisha)

http://www.yamaha.com/about_yamaha/125th_anniversary/


Edited by Grand Piano Haus (10/12/12 11:59 AM)
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#1972357 - 10/12/12 03:20 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Hear, Hear! A top notch company with outstanding people!
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#1972372 - 10/12/12 03:54 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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#1972411 - 10/12/12 06:23 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I find these self congragulatory posts by dealers a turn off.

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#1972422 - 10/12/12 06:53 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
I find these self congragulatory posts by dealers a turn off.


I agree. Completely unnecessary.
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#1972478 - 10/12/12 09:07 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Yeah it can be a turnoff, but now I know Yamaha is 125 yrs old.

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#1972497 - 10/12/12 10:26 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Strange, but it seems other piano brands are applauded here on the Forum with announcements, events, news, US tours by company owners/CEOs, so why would a birthday celebration of a piano company be termed a turn-off?

Congratulations Yamaha. I hope the company enjoys at least another 125 years.

It's wonderful news that any acoustic piano maker is still in business and developing new designs in 2012.
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#1972512 - 10/12/12 11:00 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: j&j]
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Originally Posted By: j&j
Strange, but it seems other piano brands are applauded here on the Forum with announcements, events, news, US tours by company owners/CEOs, so why would a birthday celebration of a piano company be termed a turn-off?
The phrasing of the announcement sounds more like an ad. For a dealer to say things like "we are so proud of you" sounds rather silly I think. How you say things make all the difference.

A simple announcement like "Yamaha celebrates it's 125th anniversary with the introduction of CX series" would have sounded better IMO.


Edited by pianoloverus (10/12/12 11:02 PM)

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#1972520 - 10/12/12 11:13 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Pianoloverus - agreed and understood. smile
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#1972525 - 10/12/12 11:20 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: j&j
Strange, but it seems other piano brands are applauded here on the Forum with announcements, events, news, US tours by company owners/CEOs, so why would a birthday celebration of a piano company be termed a turn-off?
The phrasing of the announcement sounds more like an ad. For a dealer to say things like "we are so proud of you" sounds rather silly I think. How you say things make all the difference.

A simple announcement like "Yamaha celebrates it's 125th anniversary with the introduction of CX series" would have sounded better IMO.


I think this kind of knit-picking is ridiculous. Seriously plover, relax.
Happy Birthday Yamaha. You make great pianos (and motorcycles, and drums:)

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#1972534 - 10/12/12 11:44 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: AJF]
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Originally Posted By: AJF

I think this kind of knit-picking is ridiculous. Seriously plover, relax.
Happy Birthday Yamaha. You make great pianos (and motorcycles, and drums:)
So far four people agreed with me. You're welcome to disagree but you're not welcome to suggest I relax or anything else!


Edited by pianoloverus (10/12/12 11:47 PM)

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#1972570 - 10/13/12 01:16 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Well actually, this is an Internet forum and to the best of my knowledge I'm allowed to suggest just about anything I want to you.
So :p

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#1972571 - 10/13/12 01:18 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
The phrasing of the announcement sounds more like an ad. For a dealer to say things like "we are so proud of you" sounds rather silly I think. How you say things make all the difference.

A simple announcement like "Yamaha celebrates it's 125th anniversary with the introduction of CX series" would have sounded better IMO.

IMHO the announcement doesn't sound at all like an ad. It makes no mention of pianos whereas your supposed "improvement" specifically mentions a product, the CX series. To say that one is proud of a company that has brought out innovative products for 125 years does not sound silly at all. I see no reason why you have to come out and rain on their birthday parade.

Congratulations YAMAHA on your 125th anniversary! I have greatly enjoyed your acoustic and digital pianos.
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#1972614 - 10/13/12 04:45 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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No, the original post reads like the guy is in sycophantic ecstasy. Made me want to puke in fact. Mutual back-slapping is nauseating when it's like that.

I'm all for recognising Yamaha's immense contribution. I would love to own one (and will one day) but the post was frilly salesmanship and badly judged. I pity those that can't see through it.
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#1972630 - 10/13/12 06:33 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I forgot to send a card ...
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#1972666 - 10/13/12 08:06 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: jazzyprof]
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Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
The phrasing of the announcement sounds more like an ad. For a dealer to say things like "we are so proud of you" sounds rather silly I think. How you say things make all the difference.

A simple announcement like "Yamaha celebrates it's 125th anniversary with the introduction of CX series" would have sounded better IMO.

IMHO the announcement doesn't sound at all like an ad. It makes no mention of pianos whereas your supposed "improvement" specifically mentions a product, the CX series. To say that one is proud of a company that has brought out innovative products for 125 years does not sound silly at all. I see no reason why you have to come out and rain on their birthday parade.

Congratulations YAMAHA on your 125th anniversary! I have greatly enjoyed your acoustic and digital pianos.
Since pianos weren't mentioned perhaps you thought the OP was referring to bananas? For a dealer to say they are "proud" of company whose product they sell...well, why do you think the post was made? To promote Steinway perhaps? But it's mostly the over the top rather silly language(we are so proud, sending you a standing ovation, etc.) that I find a turnoff and so far five posters have agreed.


Edited by pianoloverus (10/13/12 08:19 AM)

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#1972684 - 10/13/12 09:17 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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In any case, I don't see how you can send somebody a standing ovation. Unless it is a guitar with legs, in which case it would be a standing Ovation.

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#1972690 - 10/13/12 09:27 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I like the word "quasquicentennial". That was a new one to me!
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#1972696 - 10/13/12 09:52 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
[quote=AJF]
So far four people agreed with me


Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
so far five others have agreed


Keepin a running tally of those who agree with you sounds like a fun way to spend the weekend. It must be immensely satisfying.

It's you whe deserves the standing ovation, not Yamaha.
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#1972725 - 10/13/12 10:59 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I’ll admit that when I first saw the thread, my first instinct was subtle advertising again from Jeff at Grand Piano Hous. But after reading the post I decided it was perhaps more of an announcement, although an indirect advertising plug for Yamaha. Yet, I felt like the announcement was appropriate on a piano forum.

Of course, I may be a little bias because I have an older Yamaha grand piano, and it is a very nice musical instrument.

My hat’s off to you, Yamaha! Congratulation on 125 years of making fine musical instruments! smile

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#1972761 - 10/13/12 01:13 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: turandot]
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Originally Posted By: turandot
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
[quote=AJF]
So far four people agreed with me


Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
so far five others have agreed


Keepin a running tally of those who agree with you sounds like a fun way to spend the weekend. It must be immensely satisfying.

It's you whe deserves the standing ovation, not Yamaha.
It may take you considerable time to count how many posters agree with you, but it only took me a few seconds. About the same time it took you to write your rude, sarcastic, and obnoxious post.

And whether I find it satisfying, fun, or anything else is none of your business.


Edited by pianoloverus (10/13/12 01:21 PM)

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#1972771 - 10/13/12 01:46 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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My birthday was Thursday. I was first to applaud the announcement. I sell Yamaha pianos. I'm frightened.
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#1972792 - 10/13/12 02:39 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
Roger Ransom Offline
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This after a recent love fest for merely a new model for Estonia. What would be done if they were 125 years old.

Now that, was embarrassing.

To nit pick over exact verbiage is, in itself, silly.

Congratulations to Yamaha!
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#1972830 - 10/13/12 04:10 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I don't see that it is 'nit-picking' to object to a solecism like 'sending a standing ovation' It turned a post that might have been meerly nauseating into one that was also quite ridiculous.

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#1972839 - 10/13/12 04:34 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: turandot
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
[quote=AJF]
So far four people agreed with me


Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
so far five others have agreed


Keepin a running tally of those who agree with you sounds like a fun way to spend the weekend. It must be immensely satisfying.

It's you whe deserves the standing ovation, not Yamaha.
It may take you considerable time to count how many posters agree with you, but it only took me a few seconds. About the same time it took you to write your rude, sarcastic, and obnoxious post.

And whether I find it satisfying, fun, or anything else is none of your business.


It would be a sad day indeed for me if I needed to be personally validated by counting how many 'strangers' agreed with my perspective on an Internet forum. In my first post to you on this thread, plover, I suggested that you relax. Might I add to that: grow up, and perhaps, get a life...

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#1972844 - 10/13/12 05:03 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: AJF]
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Originally Posted By: AJF
It would be a sad day indeed for me if I needed to be personally validated by counting how many 'strangers' agreed with my perspective on an Internet forum. In my first post to you on this thread, plover, I suggested that you relax. Might I add to that: grow up, and perhaps, get a life...
There you go again...it's none of your business about how I spend even the few seconds it took me to make the post.

Your first comment and this comment are just plain obnoxious, and I'm sure they were intended that way. Your "suggestions" are just an excuse for making insults. I guess you don't like it that some people agreed with me(which was the case even before your first post on this thread).





Edited by pianoloverus (10/13/12 05:19 PM)

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#1972854 - 10/13/12 05:27 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
I find these self congragulatory posts by dealers a turn off.

I entirely agree, and just wish to note that GPHaus has previous on this sort of thing (cf. the recent infant playing a Steingrabber 'exclusive').

Rickster: Does track record not count when it comes to emetic self-serving posts???

Either way, if GPH wants to salivate over Yamaha, he/she could use the saliva to seal an envelope and attach a stamp to HQ in Japan. Mind you, he/she may need an address, as somehow he/she appears to think Yamaha receives communications through a sub-section of a specialist internet forum. Makes you wonder how GPH stays in business ... Oh, I forgot: it's called 'spamming' ...



Edited by PNO40 (10/13/12 05:30 PM)

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#1972856 - 10/13/12 05:32 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
It may take you considerable time to count how many posters agree with you, but it only took me a few seconds.


plover,

There may be reasons for that phenomenon that have escaped your attention. grin

Actually, I would never check a thread to keep score on two sides of a disagreement. The reason for that is that motivations for vocal agreement or disagreement can be quite different, and often trivial.. As an example, you now have an ally here who finds that even if the language were altered, the post would still be "nauseating". You may pick up along the way an individual or two or three who just wants a ready-made opportunity to slam Yamaha or its posting dealer. Conversely, you may not receive vocal support from some who in fact agree with you that the post in question was naive and clumsy, but feel that it's not worth making a fuss about.

If all that matters to you is a head count of the yeahs as opposed to the nays, then I guess, as you say, it is your business. But I really don't think that's the case. You made an effort to word your post to say precisely what you meant. I understand what you meant. The OP's style of Yamaha representation is quite different from what the KC guys -- Marty Flinn, Jeff Bauer, John Mila et. al, or Chris Venables would have written back in the day. And that's putting it kindly. The question is whether it's better to just let it go.

Another of your allies here has posted that the post was completely unnecessary. That may seem like a noble standard to uphold, but in actuality, precious little of what is posted on this forum is necessary except for the edification of those who post it.

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#1972896 - 10/13/12 07:29 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I suppose Yamaha will have a happy birthday anyway, regardless of the peevish and unseemly attempt at a Birthday Smackdown that actually goes so far as to count the noses which are out of joint. I, for one, congratulate them and hope they have 125 more happy ones. As for whether the original post was an announcement or an advertisement, I don't see any need to hold a personal opinion; the forum is moderated--- and not, as far as I know, by self-appointment to the job. Anyway, it was clearly not an invitation, since there was no mention of a birthday party, or requesting the honor, etc.

It was interesting to learn that the company is much older than the word which was coined to describe its anniversary year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasquicentennial

"...125 years: "Quasquicentennial"
Term is broken down as quasqui- (and a quarter) centennial (100 years). Quasqui is a contraction from quadrans "a quarter" plus the clitic conjunction -que "and". The term was coined by Funk and Wagnalls editor Robert L. Chapman in 1961."


Through the years, I've encountered several of these special years that you have to look in a dictionary to find out what they're celebrating. The Civil War had its sesquicentennial when I was just a sprout, the United States had its bicentennial when I could still be told to 'get a haircut,' Yamaha has its quasquicentennial and if it makes it another 125 it will have its 250 years sestercentennial. Don't scoff--- there are existing pianos which are that old. When we're all 250, I expect I'll still buy the Kawai for the touch and sound, and Yamaha's Cubase for the features. It's my way of splitting the baby.

If they're able to light that many candles without setting their hair on fire, all I can say is, "Many happy returns."
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#1972908 - 10/13/12 08:17 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Clef
the forum is moderated--- and not, as far as I know, by self-appointment to the job.


I edited this post because I misread Jeff's comments.

Sorry, Jeff.

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Edited by Rickster (10/13/12 10:17 PM)
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#1972918 - 10/13/12 08:38 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Rickster]
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Originally Posted By: Rickster
Originally Posted By: Jeff Clef
the forum is moderated--- and not, as far as I know, by self-appointment to the job.

If that is the case, why don't you make yourself a moderator? For someone who seems to be so confident in what you are talking about, you don't know what you are talking about.

In fact, if you disapprove of the way this forum is, or is not, moderated, why don’t you find another internet forum in which to participate where you do approve of the moderators.

Rick


Rick,

I would politely suggest that you read Jeff's comments again. I think you interpreted them completely wrong.
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#1972931 - 10/13/12 09:03 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Rick,

I agree with Turandot. If anything, Jeff Cleff was being supportive of the way the forum is moderated and if you felt that a line had been crossed with this thread, you would end it. His use of the word "not" is so very important.
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#1972934 - 10/13/12 09:12 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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I agree with Tur and Marty as well. Rick, if anyone ought to be reprimanded on this thread it's Ploverus for his incessant attempts at policing these forums. I'm VERY grateful that he is not a moderator...

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#1972936 - 10/13/12 09:30 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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There's many companies out there that would deserve some kind of a congratulatory note.

There's some that have achieved things in over hundred years, others in 50-60 years and still some others in only 10.

The real congratulations IMHO belong to the artists and musicians who find joy in whatever they happen to play on.

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#1972947 - 10/13/12 10:10 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Okay... you guys are right and I owe Jeff an apology. Sorry, Jeff, I misread your comments. How embarrassing. Hey, what else can I say… smile

I have an improvement plan for not making the same mistake twice… yoga exercises before logging on to Piano World… laugh

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, gents! I stand corrected.

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#1972958 - 10/13/12 11:18 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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No, not taking a shot at the mods, Rick--- the opposite. Maybe I didn't write clearly, but I didn't want to call P.Lover.Us down, by name and throw gasoline on a burning house. It seemed to me as if the thread had already been hijacked enough from an innocent (if clumsy) birthday announcement, to a machine-gun nest where the guy would try to pick a fight with anyone who had a kind word to say about Yamaha. That, I can't figure out; there must be some backstory I don't know about.

Anyway, I'm sorry to have added to it, even unintentionally, by writing in a way that could be misinterpreted. It would have been better to have ignored the whole thread.

I hope you know that, if I did have some issue to discuss, I would message you privately. But, I do not.
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#1972961 - 10/13/12 11:27 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Congratulations to Yamaha! I've helped them to celebrate by purchasing a C3X!

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#1973010 - 10/14/12 03:54 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Melodialworks Music]
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Originally Posted By: Melodialworks Music
Congratulations to Yamaha! I've helped them to celebrate by purchasing a C3X!

Lawrence


I'm confident that is the sort of acknowledgement Yamaha prefers!
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#1973028 - 10/14/12 06:05 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Jeff Clef]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Clef
It seemed to me as if the thread had already been hijacked enough from an innocent (if clumsy) birthday announcement, to a machine-gun nest where the guy would try to pick a fight with anyone who had a kind word to say about Yamaha.
I made it clear several times on this thread that it was the style of the announcement("sycophantic ecstasy" to use another poster's description)that I disagreed with. Had it been a straight forward announcement about Yamaha's 125th anniversary or launch of the new CX series I wouldn't have given it any thought. Many posters agreed with me with many being far more critical of the OP than I was.

Some posters disagreed with me but added gratuitous comments that were obnoxious, sarcastic, and mean spirited("get a life, relax, nit picking, it must be immensely satisfying, grow up," etc.). Those were the posters who picked the fight.


Edited by pianoloverus (10/14/12 06:14 AM)

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#1973054 - 10/14/12 07:40 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Congratulations to Yamaha - I've had an association with them for 35 of those years, and bought quite a few products from them.
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#1973120 - 10/14/12 11:15 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Many posters agreed with me with many being far more critical of the OP than I was.


But there's the rub.

Implicit in the statement that many posters agreed with you is the idea that you agreed with them. Do you agree that the topic itself was "nauseating"? Do you agree that the retailer was in sycophantic ecstasy? Did the opening post make you "want to puke"? I doubt it, but in defending your own opinion by taking a head count of less than a handful of members who decided to climb aboard your negative comment and do some stomping, you overlooked the fact that their comments did not reflect your judgment that it was just a matter of style and that a simple announcement would have been fine.

You could have disassociated yourself from the excess, but you didn't. You embraced it by twice posting a head count of those who in your judgment agreed with you. You've been around here for more than ten years. You should know better.

Although the opening post seemed awkward and a little misdirected, it is completely reasonable to assume that a retailer who represents Yamaha has much to be happy about and much to be thankful for. It doesn't hurt to have the acknowledged market leader in a product category available in your shop. It doesn't hurt to be associated with the industry standard for consistency of product, service, and customer satisfaction. If you don't agree with those points, check it out on pianobuyer.

Even in a an environment as jaded as this forum, it should be possible for a retailer representing Yamaha to take some pride in that association and salute the company on its anniversary without getting chewed out for it. The privilege should not be reserved for your few preferred retailers who post everything here from their house brands to their consultancies or artist associations.

I criticized you for twice posting a head count of the few who agreed with you, nothing more than that. I tried to do it in a humorous way, but experience shows that any criticism you receive will be received as obnoxious and mean-spirited. If you're looking for blame here, look no further than yourself.
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#1973138 - 10/14/12 11:39 AM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: turandot]
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Originally Posted By: turandot
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Many posters agreed with me with many being far more critical of the OP than I was.


But there's the rub.

Implicit in the statement that many posters agreed with you is the idea that you agreed with them.
Not really. If I say Bosendorfers are great and someone else says Bosendorfers are great and the moon is made of cheese, I think they've agreed with me.

To agree with me, all they had to do is express a negative view of the first post. It doesn't mean their level of negativity has to match mine and be expressed in the same words.


Originally Posted By: Turandot
I criticized you for twice posting a head count of the few who agreed with you, nothing more than that. I tried to do it in a humorous way, but experience shows that any criticism you receive will be received as obnoxious and mean-spirited.
"Few"? Actually I think the "vote" has been about equal on this thread with my side holding a slight lead. I'd post an exact count but...

I posted the head count because those critical of me had acted like my view was something totally outrageous yet plenty of other posters had agreed with me and often in far stronger words.

As far as your humor goes, I don't think your post was meant to be humorous in some friendly way based on your posts over the last ten years and based the words you used. I don't think the specific comments I quoted earlier from posts by you and a few others could be reasonably construed that way at all. There has only been a handful(three that I can recall) of posters at PW whose posts I have described as mean spirited/obnoxious. Some of those whose posts I described using those words I think have consistently been that way to many posters.


Edited by pianoloverus (10/14/12 12:00 PM)

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#1973152 - 10/14/12 12:17 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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You wanna talk about YOUR posts over the last several years plover?
I think many here would agree that the overwhelming majority of your posts have been critical of how others choose to communicate.
Quite often the subtext of what I read in your posts is 'why did you choose to say THIS, when you should have said THIS?' Well let me pose this question to you: What validates your opinion of how others should choose to communicate as the right way?
And now I'll give you the answer: NOTHING!!
No one here cares what you think in that respect so stop telling people how to express themselves.
This is not a court of law or socialist dictatorship. And you are certainly not the Supreme Court judge here.
You're the one who's been obnoxious all along, tainting 80% of the threads you post on with non-contributing judgement.
Go start your own internet forum if you want to tell people how to talk to each other.
Otherwise, realize that when you do it here your gonna have people like me flipping you a big 'ol cyber middle finger.

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#1973154 - 10/14/12 12:18 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Actually I think the "vote" has been about equal on this thread with my side holding a slight lead. I'd post an exact count but...



So it really does come down to this for you.

Although your dodging of the questions asked is disappointing in some ways, in other ways it is illuminating. Your further comments about the 'vote" are consistent with your approach to things in general on this forum and should be enlightening to those who try mightily to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think anything further needs to be written here, at least not by me.
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#1973163 - 10/14/12 12:37 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: turandot]
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Originally Posted By: turandot

I don't think anything further needs to be written here, at least not by me.
Good


Edited by pianoloverus (10/14/12 01:02 PM)

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#1973168 - 10/14/12 12:44 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: AJF]
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Originally Posted By: AJF
You wanna talk about YOUR posts over the last several years plover?
I think many here would agree that the overwhelming majority of your posts have been critical of how others choose to communicate.
Quite often the subtext of what I read in your posts is 'why did you choose to say THIS, when you should have said THIS?' Well let me pose this question to you: What validates your opinion of how others should choose to communicate as the right way?
And now I'll give you the answer: NOTHING!!
No one here cares what you think in that respect so stop telling people how to express themselves.
This is not a court of law or socialist dictatorship. And you are certainly not the Supreme Court judge here.
You're the one who's been obnoxious all along, tainting 80% of the threads you post on with non-contributing judgement.
Go start your own internet forum if you want to tell people how to talk to each other.
Otherwise, realize that when you do it here your gonna have people like me flipping you a big 'ol cyber middle finger.
My opinion of how others should post is just my opinion and I never claimed otherwise. Your wrong about my posts, and I think each and every one of your posts on this thread make it clear who has the egregiously wrong tone. Your very first post began saying my post was "ridiculous" and suggesting I "relax". There's more nastiness in just your last post then 100 of my most "offensive" posts.

To avoid carpel tunnel, my last post on this thread.



Edited by pianoloverus (10/14/12 01:08 PM)

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#1973184 - 10/14/12 01:33 PM Re: YAMAHA’s quasquicentennial anniversary [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Having re-read the original post, I didn't think it was self-serving in any way, just someone who was proud of their association with a successful product. Nothing more.

After reading the rest of the five pages, I am speechless...
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