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#1983666 - 11/07/12 04:53 AM Re: Kawai CA95 - Raspy metallic sounds? [Re: Jeff Clef]
pv88 Offline
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Registered: 08/31/10
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Clef
It could be true that some frequencies in the bundle of tones you hear as 'raspy,' are frequencies your ears are more sensitive to, and so they bother you more. I forget the technical name this is called, but one backwards-seeming feature of early hearing loss is, not that you hear less well, but that things sound hyper-loud. One way I hear this, is that the tinnitus doesn't sound like a high-pitched tone anymore, but that the notes sound shredded up, and the louder the sound, the more the tone shreds and takes on this very odd quality, as if somebody was turning a mod wheel--- except it's the real AP and the naked ear. And it is known that different frequencies are detected by different parts of the inner ear--- tiny little hairs that stimulate nerve endings; there are many of them, so that 'rasp' could bother some but not all.

The only way you can fix it is, turn down the volume. Sometimes tweaking the EQ settings can get you there. To me, it's a danger sign to stop listening for awhile and let my ears rest.


Jeff,

Sounds like a lot of what you are saying may be true in my case, as I am probably more sensitive to certain frequencies (with the piano tones that sound "raspy") on the CA95. Playing the V-Piano with speakers and a sub woofer does not create these annoying and grating sounds even at louder volume levels.

Lower volume levels are needed on the CA95 plus using the "Mellow 1 & 2" piano presets, and, to alter the "voicing" to mellow. This helps to minimize the fuzzy sounds somewhat and make them bearable to listen to.

Still not sure if the piano doesn't have speaker / soundboard / cabinet vibrations which would add to the murky timbre and fuzziness.

The V-Piano has clarity in its sounds as the CA95 does not.

Also, the EP3 sounds crystal clear... not like the CA95.

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#1983667 - 11/07/12 05:02 AM Re: Kawai CA95 - Raspy metallic sounds? [Re: pv88]
AshwayGap Offline
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Registered: 08/27/12
Posts: 36
Loc: Saddleworth UK
The V-Piano has clarity in its sounds as the CA95 does not.

Why don't you just get rid of the CA95 and stick with the V-Piano (which is almost double the price of the Kawai)? You seem to be so unhappy with the CA95 that I cannot understand why you continue with it if the apparent faults bother you so much.

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#1983668 - 11/07/12 05:05 AM Re: Kawai CA95 - Raspy metallic sounds? [Re: pv88]
ando Offline
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 3330
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: pv88
Originally Posted By: Jeff Clef
It could be true that some frequencies in the bundle of tones you hear as 'raspy,' are frequencies your ears are more sensitive to, and so they bother you more. I forget the technical name this is called, but one backwards-seeming feature of early hearing loss is, not that you hear less well, but that things sound hyper-loud. One way I hear this, is that the tinnitus doesn't sound like a high-pitched tone anymore, but that the notes sound shredded up, and the louder the sound, the more the tone shreds and takes on this very odd quality, as if somebody was turning a mod wheel--- except it's the real AP and the naked ear. And it is known that different frequencies are detected by different parts of the inner ear--- tiny little hairs that stimulate nerve endings; there are many of them, so that 'rasp' could bother some but not all.

The only way you can fix it is, turn down the volume. Sometimes tweaking the EQ settings can get you there. To me, it's a danger sign to stop listening for awhile and let my ears rest.


Jeff,

Sounds like a lot of what you are saying may be true in my case, as I am probably more sensitive to certain frequencies (with the piano tones that sound "raspy") on the CA95. Playing the V-Piano with speakers and a sub woofer does not create these annoying and grating sounds even at louder volume levels.

Lower volume levels are needed on the CA95 plus using the "Mellow 1 & 2" piano presets, and, to alter the "voicing" to mellow. This helps to minimize the fuzzy sounds somewhat and make them bearable to listen to.

Still not sure if the piano doesn't have speaker / soundboard / cabinet vibrations which would add to the murky timbre and fuzziness.

The V-Piano has clarity in its sounds as the CA95 does not.


PV,
Remind me again why you are still persisting with the CA95 when you seem to prefer the V-Piano for everything? I'm not being smart here, I honestly don't get it.

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#2045109 - 03/08/13 02:54 PM Re: Kawai CA95 - Raspy metallic sounds? [Re: pv88]
Splash Offline
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Registered: 03/08/13
Posts: 4
Hi,
I recently bought a Kawai CN-34 and I heard the same as you!!!! Middle D has a metallic sound clearly and G# too. I hear it very well in Concert Grand and it is atenuated in Mellow Grand.

Regards.

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#2045155 - 03/08/13 04:02 PM Re: Kawai CA95 - Raspy metallic sounds? [Re: pv88]
emenelton Offline
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Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 424
I believe the Kawai's all use the same sample set. My ES6 has some of the same characteristics. For solo playing I typically adjust the voicing 1 step harder than normal and the touch 1 step heavier than normal. I like the way the piano sounds and plays through it's internal speakers like that and I don't notice the metallic sound on those few notes at all.

Somtimes when playing with a combo I'll set the voicing back to normal

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