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#1973674 - 10/15/12 04:30 PM Themed recital - the BIG ONE!
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I know this might sound premature, in the light that the Satie recital is yet to be performed. BUT, the next one is so mammath, we need to get it started now.

The theme; Felix Mendelssohn- Songs without words

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major

48 pieces in all, to be performed mid February 2013, please sign up and grab your chosen piece while you can!


Edited by wayne33yrs (10/15/12 04:58 PM)

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#1973687 - 10/15/12 04:59 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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notice the edit? wink

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#1973694 - 10/15/12 05:19 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Nice! It's exciting that the body of work is large enough that so many people can be involved.

I'm deciding between op. 30 no. 5 and op. 38 no. 6.

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#1973703 - 10/15/12 05:30 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I'll definitely do one of them if enough people sign up.Which one to choose though, they're all so gorgeous.Possibly 102 no4.

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#1973719 - 10/15/12 06:12 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Love it! cheers guys wink

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#1973729 - 10/15/12 06:43 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Your scheduled performance date of mid February, 2013 will bump right up against the long-running and highly popular ABF Recital which is always scheduled for Feb. 15th (May, Aug., & Nov. 15th also) and which typically draw 50, 60 or more entries.

To space things out and avoid undue severe competition and insure a better chance for success you might want to consider a performance date about half way between any two ABF Recitals, say Apr. 1st, July 1st, etc.
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#1973743 - 10/15/12 07:14 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Yea, how about March?
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#1973749 - 10/15/12 07:31 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Bumping up the date is a good idea and gives someone like me a chance to recoup from Satie and consider one of these. smile

Any in the level 1 ish area? I don't know a single one of these so... I'll let one you knowledgeable people fill me in!
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#1973753 - 10/15/12 07:41 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

48 pieces in all, to be performed mid February 2013, please sign up and grab your chosen piece while you can!


I agree with your date and am glad that you are trying to "shake things up." smile

That would be so fun if 48 of us agreed to play 1 of the pieces each....lol.

But...so many factors stopping this from happening..among the few - different playing levels and abilities, not everyone likes to play classical, etc....if enough people sign on, count me in!! I'll need to decide now, because I'm an extremely slow learner and need to start now...lol.
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#1973779 - 10/15/12 08:31 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I'll take Op 38 #6 - the duetto.

Here's a list of the difficulties from a old thread that we had. Grades are indicated at the end of each line, with the source of the grade in parentheses. The sources:
• ABRSM: American Board (United States)
• RCM: Royal Conservatory of Music (Canada)
• BC: British Columbia Conservatory of Music (Canada)
• PDF: PianoWorld PDF file of unknown origin

Op. 19 (1829-1830)
• 1 Andante con moto in E major #8(PDF) #9(BC)
• 2 Andante espressivo in A minor #6(PDF)
• 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major ("Hunting Song") #7(PDF)
• 4 Moderato in A major #6(PDF) #6(BC)
• 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor #8(PDF)
• 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor ("Venezianisches Gondellied" [Venetian Boat Song] No. 1) #6(PDF)

Op. 30 (1833-1834)
• 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major #7(PDF)
• 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor #7(PDF)
• 3 Adagio non troppo in E major #5(PDF) #7(BC)
• 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor #8(PDF)
• 5 Andante grazioso in D major #8(PDF) #10(BC)
• 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor ("Venezianisches Gondellied" or Venetian Boat Song No. 2) #6(PDF) #7(BC)

Op. 38 (1836-1837)
• 1 Con moto in E-flat major #8(PDF)
• 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor #8(PDF) #9(BC) #10(BC)
• 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major #8(PDF)
• 4 Andante in A major #6(PDF)
• 5 Agitato in A minor #8(PDF)
• 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major ("Duetto") #8(PDF) #9(BC)

Op. 53 (1839-1841)
• 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major #7(PDF)
• 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major #6(PDF)
• 3 Presto agitato in G minor #7(PDF)
• 4 Adagio in F major #6(PDF)
• 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor ("Volkslied") #6(PDF)
• 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major #8(PDF)

Op. 62 (1842-1844)
• 1 Andante espressivo in G major #6(PDF) #7(ABRSM)
• 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major #6(PDF)
• 3 Andante maestoso in E minor ("Trauermarsch") #6(PDF)
• 4 Allegro con anima in G major #6(PDF)
• 5 Andante con moto in A minor ("Venezianisches Gondellied" or Venetian Boat Song No. 3) #7(PDF)
• 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major ("Frühlingslied" or "Spring Song") #7(PDF)

Op. 67 (1843-1845)
• 1 Andante in E-flat major #7(PDF)
• 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor #7(PDF)
• 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major #6(PDF)
• 4 Presto in C major ("Spinnerlied") #8(PDF) #10(BC)
• 5 Moderato in B minor #6(PDF)
• 6 Allegro non troppo in E major #7(PDF)

Op. 85 (1834-1845)
• 1 Andante espressivo in F major #6(PDF) #9(BC)
• 2 Allegro agitato in A minor #6(PDF)
• 3 Presto in E-flat major #7(PDF)
• 4 Andante sostenuto in D major #7(PDF)
• 5 Allegretto in A major #6(PDF)
• 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major #7(PDF)

Op. 102 (1842-1845)
• 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor #8(PDF)
• 2 Adagio in D major #6(PDF)
• 3 Presto in C major #7(PDF) #9(BC)
• 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor #6(PDF) #10(BC)
• 5 Allegro vivace in A major ("Kinderstück") #6(PDF)
• 6 Andante in C major #5(PDF)

Sam

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#1973780 - 10/15/12 08:31 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: BeccaBb]
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Originally Posted By: BeccaBb

Any in the level 1 ish area?

There's nothing terribly easy.They're probably from about grade five upwards I would think.You could try op30 no3 or maybe op19 no6.

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#1973788 - 10/15/12 08:45 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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LMAO okay nevermind. smile I'll wait a few years. wink
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#1973791 - 10/15/12 08:51 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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TJ, I am sure wayne will work with folk on a better date if you fear competition, but there was no need for suggesting April 1st , thats just out of order.
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#1973797 - 10/15/12 09:01 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Uh oh, I was too slow and Sam S beat me to it. I'll take op. 30 no. 5 before anyone grabs it first!

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#1973799 - 10/15/12 09:06 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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opus 38 no.2 for old rossy.
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#1973808 - 10/15/12 09:32 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Rostosky]
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky
TJ, I am sure wayne will work with folk on a better date if you fear competition, but there was no need for suggesting April 1st , thats just out of order.


No fooling - just the strangest of coincidences, I assure you...
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#1973816 - 10/15/12 09:50 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

The theme; Felix Mendelssohn- Songs without words

...

48 pieces in all, to be performed mid February 2013, please sign up and grab your chosen piece while you can!


Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)

No. 6 Andante in C major

... please and thank you
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#1973823 - 10/15/12 10:07 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Only joking TJ, couldnt resist with april fools day an all!

anyways, come on tj how about you?

This is different from the "usual" abf recitals, for a few reasons, one of them being in the "regular" abf recitals folk choose anything they want to play, this is very different, it is themed and also some times folk get whats left, which isnt necesarily what they would have chosen to play...

hence the extra work, it may take folk out of their comfort zone, BUT, that is a shared workload and everyone helps each other be it through Pms on technical advice or just support through the thread.

What do we achieve? Many things not least is a greater knowledge of the scores, through shared study and help, but also a deeper understanding of where the particular composer is "coming from" furthering our understanding and knowledge of that composer.

Furthermore we become a "team" or further strengthen the ABF "community" this is no trivial accomplishment, as many folks are isolated in their home at their piano/dp and laptop.

Some folk have no outside interaction with other musicians, and struggle on without teachers, being part of a team effort, online, on the piano which is their main love, and interacting with like minded folk can be very helpful and raise the bar some , a step forward even.

This will be brilliant and totally doable, no ones expecting top notch allegedly flawless performances, but there will be some is my guess....

What a magic thing to be involved with.....


Here is all 48 songs without words in one video, there are six pieces in each opus, and if you need help finding where your chosen piece is just ask, should you not want to listen to all two hours....

OR, you may want to listen to all of them to help choose a piece....



Edited by Rostosky (10/15/12 10:28 PM)
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#1973839 - 10/15/12 10:53 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Rostosky]
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Hi folks1

I'm going to do opus 19 no 1

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#1973847 - 10/15/12 11:02 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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nevermind. I'm pretty sure they are all out of my range...


Edited by MaryAnn (10/15/12 11:11 PM)

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#1973854 - 10/15/12 11:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: LadyChen]
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Originally Posted By: LadyChen
Uh oh, I was too slow and Sam S beat me to it. I'll take op. 30 no. 5 before anyone grabs it first!


There are too many good ones! I changed my mind -- I want op. 102, No. 4.

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#1973871 - 10/16/12 12:15 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I think a themed recital is a great idea every now and then. I participated in the Chopin themed recital a while back and it was a lot of fun. Very well run too.

My only concern is the same it has always been and that is not too dilute the quarterly recitals. At least too much.

Not only do we have the quarterly recitals but there are also members performances to watch/listen too in the monthly piano bar as well as seasonal performance-based threads like the holiday performances thread around X-mas time.

Personally, I would like to see even more ways to perform and these themed recitals is a great way to do it. I just wouldn't want a recital popping up every week to the point they are not special any more. The quarterly recitals mean too much for too many people for too many reasons to screw with. At least too much!

Every now and then, you bet. I also agree with Trapper and others about keeping the date a bit separated from the other recital dates.

Also, while hearing a wide diversity of pieces is great, I wouldn't limit any one piece to just one performer. I love hearing different peoples interpretations of the same piece and since this is really a learning environment, why limit....anything? There will still be lots of diversity either way so if two people want to perform the same piece, I say let them both at it.

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#1973898 - 10/16/12 02:16 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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thanks for the post, Rost. I'll listen through the sets as much as I'm able and if something really draws me in that isn't taken, I may sign up.

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#1973905 - 10/16/12 02:34 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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These pieces are beyond my level - but I will enjoy listening to them.

I would agree with the suggestion to distance the Themed recital from the ABF recital - not only for those who might want to perform in both, but for those who really want to listen to all the pieces and give feedback.

I feel that the hard work of the performers deserves individual feedback, and if there are 50, 60 or 70 ABF recital performers plus 30 some here....well, that's a bit much all at once.

I love this idea,it is great fun, and a super way to bring members of the community together. I hope that somewhere along the line I'll be up for joining in!
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#1973906 - 10/16/12 02:38 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Op 102 #2 for me please
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#1973960 - 10/16/12 07:29 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wow, these are going like hot-cakes lol. I totally agree with Rossy, this is so much different from the ABF quartely recitals, and will be so rewarding for each and everyone taking part. A real team effort bringing us all closer together as a group, smile

As for the performance date, it's totally flexible, and agree that we will make sure that it doesn't coincide with ABF QR wink

MaryAnne, BeccaBb and Casinitaly, I'm sure there's a piece amongst this lot with your name on it, I'll look into this and get back to you. Anyways, not much time as I've gotta go to work, here's the revision,

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - AimeeO

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener


Edited by wayne33yrs (10/16/12 12:02 PM)

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#1973963 - 10/16/12 07:41 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

As for the performance date, it's totally flexible, and agree that we will make sure that it doesn't coincide with ABF QR wink


Yes, it needs to be a month after the ABF recital. That would be March 15, April 15, Sep 15, Dec 15, for example. There is nothing to be gained by competing with the ABF recital.

And the Mendelssohn Songs Without Words are not trivial pieces. There are no easy ones.

Here is a link to the old thread that we had - some good info there:
Mendelssohn Appreciation Thread

Sam

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#1973966 - 10/16/12 07:50 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I would have to work on one with my teacher as one of my assigned pieces because they are all too much for me just to "pick up on the side." And I can't see that happening in the next few months so I'll have to sit this out.

Is this cross-posted to Pianists Corner? Likely that folks who hang around there are better able to pick up pieces like this quickly.
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#1973972 - 10/16/12 08:08 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Nobody should even think of picking op. 85 no. 4 (Elegy), IT'S MINE laugh
(I've already lost op. 19 no. 6 because I decided to pick it up in my mind and AimeeO 'decided it loud' to take it laugh )

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#1973982 - 10/16/12 08:47 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Ok, as there's quite a bit of interest I'd better choose one before all my favorites are gone.I'll do op67 no1.

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#1973988 - 10/16/12 09:16 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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- have we run out of the Andantes yet?

I might have a crack at 38-6 if it's still going...

(if I come unstuck, perhaps I can trade it?)

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#1973996 - 10/16/12 10:02 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Andy Platt]
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I would have to work on one with my teacher as one of my assigned pieces because they are all too much for me just to "pick up on the side." And I can't see that happening in the next few months so I'll have to sit this out.


+1. Ditto! I'm already committed to working on some pieces with my teacher at this level. I am putting in a lot of time to those, and can't squeeze more in for such a short period of time.

I'm enjoying listening to the pieces Rossy posted, however! They're beautiful, and I'm looking forward to hearing the recital! smile



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#1974008 - 10/16/12 10:43 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne33yrs -- sorry, you probably missed my second (third?) post where i changed my mind. I'll take op. 102, No. 4. smile.

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#1974046 - 10/16/12 12:05 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - AimeeO

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

Did I miss a post by AimeeO? Dire tonic, there's still loads left, but SamS has taken 38 - 6, I haven't even had time to pick one yet smile Better get my skates on!

Rossy, do you have the book in PDF?


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#1974058 - 10/16/12 12:19 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne, Here (go down to see her post) is AimeeO's post where she decided to "dust off" op. 19 no. 6 laugh

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#1974060 - 10/16/12 12:22 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Ah I see, thnx Rupak smile

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#1974062 - 10/16/12 12:24 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wow, Rupak, you have an impressive memory. You're right; Op 19 No 6 is for Aimee.
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#1974063 - 10/16/12 12:26 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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op 67 no1 Wayne, not op 62.

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#1974064 - 10/16/12 12:27 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: timmyab]
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ah, 38-6 was already taken... back to the drawing board...

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#1974065 - 10/16/12 12:28 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Fixed, you guy's will have to keep an eye on me lol, things are going fast and furious, I can only just keep up wink

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#1974175 - 10/16/12 05:12 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Like I said in the other thread, I might choose another one if we have more time (like late Marchish/Aprilish.) February is bad for me to have new things ready.

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#1974181 - 10/16/12 05:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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We can choose more than one?

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#1974207 - 10/16/12 06:13 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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That I don't know, Lady Chen. I meant to say I would give up 19-6 in favor of something scary and unknown to me if the deadline was a month or so after the middle of February smile

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#1974222 - 10/16/12 06:54 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: LadyChen]
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We can choose more than one?


will get back to you on that lol smile

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#1974228 - 10/16/12 07:09 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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consider the deadline extended AimeeO xxx

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#1974420 - 10/17/12 06:33 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I'll go for 85-2

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#1974511 - 10/17/12 11:54 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Rostosky]
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky

This is different from the "usual" abf recitals, for a few reasons, one of them being in the "regular" abf recitals folk choose anything they want to play, this is very different, it is themed ...

BUT, that is a shared workload and everyone helps each other be it through Pms on technical advice or just support through the thread.

What do we achieve? Many things not least is a greater knowledge of the scores, through shared study and help, but also a deeper understanding of where the particular composer is "coming from" furthering our understanding and knowledge of that composer.


Question: Is this the thread for this dialogue? I understand we are still early on in the sign up, but I'm already working on my piece and already have questions. Plus, I am interested in the challenges that other participants may be having and of better understanding of their pieces as well.

What you said, Rossy about understanding more about the composer and these compositions (not just the one of immediate focus) is appealing to me in progressing my understanding and learning overall. Who knows, may even decide to learn others as well through a better appreciation of same.

So, are you ready for my questions, and is this the place you want them? They are likely pretty lame, but as above, also interested about insight and challenges that may arise, with other participants and compositions in this thread.

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#1974523 - 10/17/12 12:23 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Dire tonic - added, thnx smile

Greener, I'd fire away wink

Has everyone got the complete book?

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#1974540 - 10/17/12 12:42 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener

Question: Is this the thread for this dialogue?


I would say yes, put the questions here. I don't read the "RST serious" thread often (or at all...).

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#1974550 - 10/17/12 01:04 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Definitely you can discuss the piece your working on here. smile If you look at our other Themed Recital threads, we use them for encouragement and questions. smile
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#1974641 - 10/17/12 03:39 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Ok, I need help already lol.....

Trills, I've never played 'em, and I've picked Op.30 No.6 with Trills in it. (why do I do this lol)

In the score, it just shows ONE note with the trill line above it. Do I use the note below or above? A full note below/above or half?

Your help would be much appreciated. smile


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#1974657 - 10/17/12 03:51 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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In MM32-34 the trill is D and C. It's a full tone above.
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#1974665 - 10/17/12 03:57 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Ok, I need help already lol.....

Trills, I've never played 'em, and I've picked Op.30 No.6 with Trills in it. (why do I do this lol)

In the score, it just shows ONE note with the trill line above it. Do I us the note below or above? A full note below/above or half?

Your help would be much appreciated. smile


Trills were just changing around the time Mendellsohn was composing from always starting on the note above the main note to starting on the main note; but they are always with the note and the one above in the given scale unless indicated with an accidental. Listen to some recordings and see what you like. Both are acceptable.
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#1974668 - 10/17/12 03:58 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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Originally Posted By: zrtf90
In MM32-34 the trill is D and C. It's a full tone above.



Barenboim plays a semitone up for both trills....

(op 30 - 6, first trill @ 1.12)

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#1974682 - 10/17/12 04:13 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Oops! Actually it's three sharps, so it would be D, C sharp.

Sorry.
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#1974713 - 10/17/12 04:55 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Op 102 No. 6

Couple of questions about the score;

In several places I see a '.' below or above the eighth notes. Does this mean to play staccato? That is what I thought. But, when I listen to a recording, it only sounds staccato in one instance and not others. So, not sure what is up with that.

Also, just so I am straight on these ...

Funky f = Forte

Funky p = Piano

mF = moderate forte ?

sF = ???

dim., dimin. = Diminuendo

cresc. = Crescendo

That's all for now. Of course I can google all of this, but would rather ask here and have all answers in repository.




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#1974738 - 10/17/12 05:36 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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F = Forte, loud
P = piano, soft
mF = mezzo forte, medium
sF = sforzando, sudden and sharp loud for that chord/note

dim and cresc. you have.

The staccato dots under a slur in M2 are a soft rather sharp staccato.
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#1974740 - 10/17/12 05:40 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener
Op 102 No. 6

Couple of questions about the score;

In several places I see a '.' below or above the eighth notes. Does this mean to play staccato? That is what I thought. But, when I listen to a recording, it only sounds staccato in one instance and not others. So, not sure what is up with that.

Also, just so I am straight on these ...

Funky f = Forte

Funky p = Piano

mF = moderate forte ?

sF = ???

dim., dimin. = Diminuendo

cresc. = Crescendo

That's all for now. Of course I can google all of this, but would rather ask here and have all answers in repository.



It's all as you've listed. mf is mezzo forte but means moderate, as you have it, between p and f.

sf = sforzando = accented.

Yes, the dots above and below indicate stacatto but, depending on the piece, there's sometimes license to do your own thing. Where possible, check out the various maestros to see how they compare, sometimes there'll be wide variation.

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#1974745 - 10/17/12 05:45 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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How do you figure out the difference between a soft and a sharp stacatto?
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#1974758 - 10/17/12 05:59 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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thanks.

So, if staccato dots are under a slur it always means soft rather than sharp staccato?

I have plenty of staccato to deal with in this piece, so just want to make sure I fully understand and know how to treat them.

M6, M7, M10, M12-14, M16, M19-24, M26-27, M29-31

Also, now that you mention it, what is the purpose of a slur notation? Should I be able to hear a difference of the same eighth notes with slur vs. without? Could this help me with with pedal indications? I doubt it, since the slurs are often independent in bass and treble clef.
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#1974764 - 10/17/12 06:06 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: BeccaBb]
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How do you figure out the difference between a soft and a sharp stacatto?

Figure out? Soft staccato is not lifting the fingers "as soon" as the note sounds but clearly before the next note. Disjointed or non-legato.
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#1974769 - 10/17/12 06:12 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Ah I see. I can figure out what that is. However I don't understand how you would know if you need to play a sharp or a soft? Is that something you would know of because of the slur? Or the artist?
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#1974779 - 10/17/12 06:25 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Greener]
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So, if staccato dots are under a slur it always means soft rather than sharp staccato?

Also, now that you mention it, what is the purpose of a slur notation? Should I be able to hear a difference of the same eighth notes with slur vs. without? Could this help me with with pedal indications? I doubt it, since the slurs are often independent in bass and treble clef.

The context of the piece should guide you as to how sharp the staccato might be.

In measure 2 the slur means the notes aren't too disjointed. In speech you might separate words to point them such as, "Don't. Brake. And. Steer!", but they're still meant as a unit.

The purpose of a slur is to keep the notes together as a unit.

Could you tell the difference? Yes, but it might be very subtle.

Could it help with pedal indications? That's the subject of an essay. It can influence your decision as to whether pedal should be used. You can use pedal and still play staccato. It does sound different because of the changing attack on the next note.

Whenever it comes to pedal I believe only your ears and your good taste can determine the correct approach.

And no matter how much you respect the composer, his work is done and yours is still to do. You must decide what he intended - whatever else is in the score whether by his hand or that of an editor - and you must decide how much of that you'll follow.

Whatever Wanda Landowska may say ("You play Bach your way and I'll play him his!") you must always play your way. Honesty is the best policy. Say it, believe it and mean it.
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#1974788 - 10/17/12 06:32 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: BeccaBb]
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Ah I see. I can figure out what that is. However I don't understand how you would know if you need to play a sharp or a soft? Is that something you would know of because of the slur? Or the artist?

There isn't a simple answer. The best way is to get to know the piece, understand what the composer is trying to say, decide what you think is the best way to say that. Try a variety of ways and listen hard.

There's finger staccato, wrist staccato, arm staccato, soft staccato, crisp staccato, ....

Mendelssohn writes well for fairy music using a "light" staccato, but every piece is different.
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#1974802 - 10/17/12 06:59 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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Originally Posted By: zrtf90

And no matter how much you respect the composer, his work is done and yours is still to do. You must decide what he intended - whatever else is in the score whether by his hand or that of an editor - and you must decide how much of that you'll follow.

Whatever Wanda Landowska may say ("You play Bach your way and I'll play him his!") you must always play your way. Honesty is the best policy. Say it, believe it and mean it.


Love it. But also great to have your full support. I sense a very unique arrangement comin' up. smile

I really love the harmonies in this but already straying on the timing a bit, by nature with some of the changes. I will try to contain it though with reason and put my best, honest foot forward.

thanks for your help
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#1974813 - 10/17/12 07:16 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Don't stray on the timing bit. I know you don't use a metronome but get the timing rock solid below tempo. That way you stay in control. As you come up to tempo let the music decide where it needs subtle alteration but know what it's altering from. You must stay in control and be ABLE to stay in tempo.

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#1974836 - 10/17/12 07:53 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thanks for your answer Richard! I had no idea there were so many stacatto's! I've learned a lot today. smile
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#1974899 - 10/17/12 10:18 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I've got a couple favorites after one run-through of the sets. After one more, hopefully I'll have a feasible choice

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#1974951 - 10/18/12 12:35 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I have decided to do 30-3 instead of 19-6. I will be brave and learn something new. eek

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#1975007 - 10/18/12 03:55 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thanks for the help guys, I'll catch up later when I get back from work, here's the revision;

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener


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#1975012 - 10/18/12 04:00 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne, I see you've already edited the list. Thanks!
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#1975016 - 10/18/12 04:10 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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There is a playlist on Youtube with all these songs, whose videos show the music scores of every piece. I find this playlist very helpful.

Here’s the link.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDF65C522375E620C&feature=plcp
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#1975238 - 10/18/12 02:46 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Bobpickle]
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Whatever Wanda Landowska may say ("You play Bach your way and I'll play him his!") you must always play your way. Honesty is the best policy. Say it, believe it and mean it.


smile

Originally Posted By: Recaredo
There is a playlist on Youtube with all these songs, whose videos show the music scores of every piece. I find this playlist very helpful.

Here’s the link.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDF65C522375E620C&feature=plcp


Cheers Recaredo, wink

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I've got a couple favorites after one run-through of the sets. After one more, hopefully I'll have a feasible choice


That's great smile

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#1975367 - 10/18/12 07:10 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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I know you don't use a metronome but get the timing rock solid below tempo.


I'm not opposed to trying out a metronome. Actually, now that you mention it, I believe this is precisely what I need to do. Particularly for Bach pieces.

I'm given it a whirl already, and will definitely be of help with some trouble spots. As well, tempo is often my Achilles Heel, so this may be just the ticket.

But, what is the real purpose of using a metronome? Is it just to fix some timing trouble spots? Or is it to practice with it so much that the overall tempo from start to end becomes subliminally engrained that I will somehow stay close to it when I turn it off? Or bit of both?

I've never seen a live performer using one smile
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#1975382 - 10/18/12 07:27 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Check this out.

Troy Stetina is a guitar guru but this excellent article applies to most instruments.

http://www.stetina.com/lessons/metronome.html

The metronome is a tool for practise. Time is the most important aspect of music. If you can keep time to an external source you'll be able to keep time with other musicians. If you can play to a set time you have the wherewithal to adjust the tempo to suit the music rather than your technique.
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#1975383 - 10/18/12 07:33 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener

But, what is the real purpose of using a metronome? Is it just to fix some timing trouble spots? Or is it to practice with it so much that the overall tempo from start to end becomes subliminally engrained that I will somehow stay close to it when I turn it off? Or bit of both?


Slooow practice works wonders. Set your metronome to something that seems too slow and use it to keep slow and steady while you play through your piece. Then gradually increase the metronome speed. By the time you get back up to speed you will be amazed how well you can play your piece. That's how I use it.

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#1975395 - 10/18/12 08:05 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Glad I asked. There is a lot more to this than I ever would have thought. Will put priority to this now among my practice.

What a great article. Particularly like this quote ...

'I am reminded of the great composer J.S. Bach, who when asked about his remarkable keyboard ability, simply said, "I just put each finger in the right place at the right time, and the keyboard plays itself."'

Thanks, Richard.

Thanks also, Sam. What you say is reaffirmed exactly in this article.
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#1975723 - 10/19/12 01:35 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Greener]
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The metronome is a tool for practise. Time is the most important aspect of music. If you can keep time to an external source you'll be able to keep time with other musicians.


I'm converted. Problem fixed after one hour with Metronome, vs. unfixed after one week of aggravation.

Yippee ...

Ready for the red dot now, for ABF recital #28 that is.
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#1976740 - 10/21/12 01:40 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I've still got to finish Gnossienne No7, before I can really get into this, shouldn't be too long now wink

Any other takers? smile

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#1982178 - 11/03/12 12:18 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Hey! smile
I'm gonna grab Op.85, No.1 before anyone else does. Beautiful!
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#1982189 - 11/03/12 12:44 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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That's great, cheers wink

Revision;

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

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#1982515 - 11/04/12 08:06 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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This piece is going to be the first time I test out my new strategy of learning the very final phrase of the piece first, and working all the way back to the start, phrase by phrase. My theory is, this way the piece should be strong from start to finish, and I should be playing better as it progresses, although the aim is overall quality.
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#1982545 - 11/04/12 09:43 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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That sounds like a good plan, alot of folks recommend learning pieces that way wink

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#1982550 - 11/04/12 09:54 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Oh, wow. There's no such thing as an original idea, right? wink
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#1982556 - 11/04/12 10:30 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I tried the last bars first strategy too, Maechre, but it isn't perfect. I learnt a couple of pieces where the final pages were a cakewalk.

It's the climax that matters most to me. I'm approaching my Mendelssohn piece doing four bars a day and only those four bars. When they're good to go I move on to the next four and when I've been through the piece I repeat the process. I get a sense of the familiar when I get back to each four bar phrase, I'll have overcome the technical difficulties and I can memorise them again very quickly plus continue to give them close attention.

By the third cycle I can work in eight bar sections and start to marry them up without technical impediments or stretching the memory.

By the time the piece is in half-page sections I can knit them together easily and work on the overall effect without having much else in it to worry about.

But if the strategy is new for you it's as well to experience it so go with it and see what you find. Don't forget to log your experience and opinions at the time. You'll learn far more from it all and, if you share them, so will we!
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I see the middle two books are not currently popular. Do we have a better idea of the deadline for this recital? I may change to Op. 102 No. 1 if there are takers for three and five or if we can group the pieces into books.

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#1982562 - 11/04/12 10:51 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Sure thing, zrtf90! smile I'll keep this place updated and would love to help anyone where I can!
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#1982570 - 11/04/12 11:21 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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There's no specific deadline as of yet, I'm concentrating more on getting the pieces allocated first. I'm sure after people see how the Satie recital goes, we'll get more interest and more takers smile


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#1982731 - 11/04/12 05:42 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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just let me know if you decide to make the switch Richard wink

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#1983835 - 11/07/12 04:43 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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i'm thinking to ask to be tentatively signed up for Op. 30 No. 1. honestly though I'm not sure I can learn this piece in time or that I will be able to play it well. it looks challenging! also, not sure if my arthritic hands can take this piece so would have to do a trial period to see how my hands hold out.

my recording would be very primitive as i have an old digital piano and an very simple digital recorder. would be a lot of static and not much dynamic range because of my old keyboard. would this be ok?

oh dear...so many reasons why I'm hesitant to do this!

there are a couple of other of the pieces I'm looking at if this one doesn't work out such as 38/1, 53/1, 53/4, 62/5, 67/2. But I'll practice 30/1 for a few days and see how it goes.

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#1983846 - 11/07/12 05:17 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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It would be lovely to have you onboard Valencia, don't let "stuff" stop you, wink

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#1983915 - 11/07/12 09:17 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thanks for the encouragement wayne! smile You've persuaded me to put my name down so please sign me up for Op. 30 no. 1.

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#1984232 - 11/08/12 03:36 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I haven't been around for a while - but I'd love to sign up for the recital! Could you put me down for Op 67 No 3.

Thanks!

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#1984235 - 11/08/12 03:42 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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will do guys, thnx so much, short of time tonight, will post the edited list asap smile

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#1984557 - 11/09/12 09:17 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Revision;

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

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#1984558 - 11/09/12 09:18 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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We're getting there guys and gals wink Keep 'em comming smile

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#1984679 - 11/09/12 02:48 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thanks for the regular updates Wayne! I've asked my piano teacher if she wants to pick a piece without success and now have to think of someone else who wants to join in the fun! Can any of you who have already signed up think of friends and family at home who might?

Richard, I really appreciate the advice you've given us. I practised one of my grade exam pieces today trying the method you suggested of doing just 4 bars a day, and this worked well, It gave made me feel that I'd made progress and is a less daunting approach than my usual 'method'.


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#1984691 - 11/09/12 03:11 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I have a cunning stunt................

Failing to recruit enough volunteers via PW, I've joined some piano groups on FB, but I'm hanging fire for a bit smile

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#1984704 - 11/09/12 03:56 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Dipsy]
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Originally Posted By: Dipsy
Richard, I really appreciate the advice you've given us. I practised one of my grade exam pieces today trying the method you suggested of doing just 4 bars a day, and this worked well, It gave made me feel that I'd made progress and is a less daunting approach than my usual 'method'.
That's great news, Helen. I'm glad it's working for you. When you only work on a short bit at a time you can concentrate better on it, memorise it quicker, get it up to speed quicker and understand it better.

If you're working on several pieces at a time or several parts of one piece it really helps to keep a journal of where you are with each one.
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#1985773 - 11/12/12 04:06 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I might give that a shot with mine, once I've got this darned G7 submitted! wink

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#1985777 - 11/12/12 04:14 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Andy Platt]
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Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
Is this cross-posted to Pianists Corner? Likely that folks who hang around there are better able to pick up pieces like this quickly.


Just noticed this, cheers Andy, good idea smile

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#1985795 - 11/12/12 04:53 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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BTW when is it due? I have picked the one quite manageable, does not show mistakes easily and sounds nice no matter how you play it (heheheeeee!). If I have a couple of months, I don't mind picking up something similar.
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#1985826 - 11/12/12 05:49 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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There's no set date yet, we're all sort of going with the flow, smile You ponder away wink x

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#1987168 - 11/15/12 05:01 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Please put Beric (my dad!) down for op 30 no 5 before anyone else bags it.

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#1987312 - 11/16/12 02:37 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I just had my piano exam at tafe (tertiary education) today! It wasn't perfect, and I couldn't attempt one section, but I may have passed. I'll find out soon enough! If I haven't passed, hopefully I can do well enough in the re-sit. smirk

So as celebration, I'm downloading my Op.85 No.1 and printing it out.

This is actually going to be the first classical piece I've ever properly worked on. smile
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#1987387 - 11/16/12 09:46 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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That's great Dipsey, I'll update the list a bit later smile

Maechre, I've got my fingers crossed for you, let us know your results wink I'd not worked on any classical music either, until I started knocking around Piano world, but once you get into it, it's kinda addictive smile

As for cross posting to PC, well, lets just say it went down like a lead balloon pmsl wink

Bk later folks!

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#1987758 - 11/17/12 10:27 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Revision;

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener


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#1987831 - 11/17/12 02:03 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne33yrs,

I have a question about this recital. I have been musing for some weeks now about participating in a recital on this forum after not having the confidence to submit a piece to one of the other recitals. I was wondering if there is a piece unclaimed that I could learn in time for the recital. Currently, I am putting the final touches on 1st movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and I have begun working on Chopin's Prelude in E minor and Waltz in A minor. After listening to some of the pieces left and I think that No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major of Book 4 might be achievable given the time.

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#1987841 - 11/17/12 02:29 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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If you want it, it's yours. smile Do you have the score? or do you need a copy?

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#1987887 - 11/17/12 04:41 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne33yrs,

I do not have the score, I was planning to print a copy of the piece from Imslp as I found a scan of the first edition there. Or should I look for a later copy if there was any correction of errors? I really would like to participate in this recital, but I don't know if this piece is out of my reach at the moment. Or if there is a better choice for the first "Songs" to learn, as I haven't studied a piece by Mendelssohn. If you have another suggestion for a piece to learn it would be appreciated. If could put my name down for that piece "at the moment" I will speak to my teacher about the piece.

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#1987900 - 11/17/12 05:25 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: IreneAdler]
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Wayne33yrs,

I do not have the score, I was planning to print a copy of the piece from Imslp as I found a scan of the first edition there. Or should I look for a later copy if there was any correction of errors? I really would like to participate in this recital, but I don't know if this piece is out of my reach at the moment, or if there is a better choice for the first "Songs" to learn, as I haven't worked on a piece by Mendelssohn. If you have another suggestion for a piece to learn it would be appreciated. If could put my name down for that piece "at the moment" I will speak to my teacher about the piece.


Hi Irene,


Glad you are on board for the recital!! smile

I have a book here that lists the Songs without Words according to level. Here are the pieces still available for the recital that are listed as "Intermediate":

Op. 19 No. 2
Op. 19 No. 4
Op. 53 No. 1
Op. 62 No. 1
Op. 62 No. 4
Op. 67 No. 5

Hope I got those right. I haven't played any of these so don't know if 'intermediate' is an accurate description of their difficulty, but maybe you can have a look at the scores and see what you think. smile

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#1988111 - 11/18/12 10:53 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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#1988123 - 11/18/12 11:15 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: IreneAdler]
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Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
...I don't know if this piece is out of my reach at the moment. Or if there is a better choice for the first "Songs" to learn...

Op. 19 No. 4, "Confidence" is a popular first Mendelssohn piece. I'm surprised it's not been taken yet.

But the others mentioned by Valencia are about equal.
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#1988140 - 11/18/12 12:10 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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May I have op 19 no 2 ?

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#1988170 - 11/18/12 01:24 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I've put you down for Op.53 No.1 Irene, let me know if you change your mind wink

RagnhildK, it's yours smile

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener


Edited by wayne33yrs (11/18/12 01:41 PM)

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#1988173 - 11/18/12 01:26 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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We're half way to a full house guys smile

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#1988274 - 11/18/12 07:03 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Hi, I just signed up for this forum. How do I get involved with this? It would be a great motivation for me.

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#1988396 - 11/19/12 06:20 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Hello Devrie, smile

Simply pic a piece, we can provide you with the score, and practice it ready to perform and record, then upload to youtube. There is no settled date yet, but we hope to air the complete recital sometime next year smile

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#1988400 - 11/19/12 06:39 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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The first Themed recital was posted on Rostosky's serious thread, available here Philip Glass Metamorphosis 1 - 5 Themed Recital

(Just scroll down a little)

The second one is Themed on Eric Satie, scheduled for the end of this month smile


Edited by wayne33yrs (11/19/12 09:18 AM)

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#1988471 - 11/19/12 10:03 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thank you!

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#1988572 - 11/19/12 02:35 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Devrie]
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Is Op. 19 No. 4 taken yet? If not, I want to try that one. Thank you!

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#1988586 - 11/19/12 03:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I must admit, I've never heard of Philip glass. I love those pieces, and the players played them so well. I'm very excited to hear new music.

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#1988588 - 11/19/12 03:30 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thank you Devrie, much appreciated smile Op.19 no.4 is still free, I'll add you to the group, smile

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#1988590 - 11/19/12 03:33 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Maechre
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

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#1989693 - 11/22/12 07:21 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Hi, I am new here so I'd like to ask what recital is this? Some kind of get-together recital or we just basically post our mp3s or videos up online?

Thanks smile
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#1989777 - 11/22/12 12:52 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Yeah, Youtube video uploads, if you scroll to the bottom of page 4 of this thread, there's a link to the first themed recital smile

Be nice if you could join us wink

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#1989981 - 11/23/12 05:04 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Yeah I'm thinking of joining. It's just that I'm having a bit of trouble picking out the piece but I'd have my decision by the end of the week.
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Op 299 no 3 - Czerny
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#1990037 - 11/23/12 11:35 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne, I've become infatuated by op 67 #2 so could you please switch me over to that?

...op 85 #2 now free...

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#1990168 - 11/23/12 10:19 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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frown

Unfortunately I've decided to pull out of this one due to some projects and gigs I've been asked to play for.

I'll come back to watch when it's done though!
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#1990223 - 11/24/12 06:38 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Consider it done Diretonic smile I switched also lol, I've been worrying over the trills smile

Sorry to lose you Maechre, frown Good luck with the gig smile

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major -Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - LimeFriday
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener


Edited by wayne33yrs (11/24/12 01:16 PM)

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#1990278 - 11/24/12 10:54 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I'll go for Op 19 no 3 laugh
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Op 299 no 3 - Czerny
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#1990324 - 11/24/12 01:16 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thanks Evelyn S wink I edited the list smile

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#1990492 - 11/24/12 09:06 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Evelyn S]
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Can I change my mind - I am worried about the effect of the huge chords on my hand in my original choice. Can I change to Op 30 No 6?

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#1990659 - 11/25/12 11:02 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Of course Limefriday smile

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener


Edited by wayne33yrs (11/26/12 04:24 AM)

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#1990768 - 11/25/12 05:02 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Excellent!! Thanks wayne smile

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#1990791 - 11/25/12 07:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne, I would like to try op.67 no.5, please.
I think all pieces are above my level, but it looks like interesting challange and way how to learn something new.
I think mid February would be fine. Do I have to record myself on a video or just sound is sufficient?
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#1990928 - 11/26/12 04:22 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Hello Pavel.K, I've edited the list, thanks and welcome to the group smile Yeah, Youtube videos are needed smile

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#1990941 - 11/26/12 05:16 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne, is there an easy way to convert an mp3 file to a, er, whatever YouTube uses file or do we need to supply visuals (like me in my ABBA costume smile )?
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#1990958 - 11/26/12 07:15 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Good morning (or whatever in your place)
Let me try 102 no 3. I've always stuck to andante and would love to try this piece. Youtube huh? Okay then youtube it is. PavelK I'm thinking they're above my fingers too but worth the challenge
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#1990964 - 11/26/12 07:52 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I play many of these songs, but even though several of my favourites are already taken it is difficult for me to choose one.

I think you can put me on Op 19 no.5. If someone else really want to play that one I can switch to another one, for instance one of the Op.62 pieces.

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#1991076 - 11/26/12 12:48 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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I'll edit the list in a bit guys, thank you Wisebuff and Ganddalf smile

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Wayne, is there an easy way to convert an mp3 file to a, er, whatever YouTube uses file or do we need to supply visuals (like me in my ABBA costume smile )?



Failing to record a video (In full Abba dresscode), you could make a slideshow with some pics, using windows movie maker, like Recaredo did for his M1 piece. Then convert it to flv (flash). I use Freestudiomanager.

http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/free-dvd-video-software.htm

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#1991083 - 11/26/12 12:58 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - WiseBuff
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener


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#1991086 - 11/26/12 01:08 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Hello Pavel.K, I've edited the list, thanks and welcome to the group smile Yeah, Youtube videos are needed smile

Youtube video? Huh, this is a serious stuff. And it will be fun smile

btw. Wayne, it seems I am not on your last list anymore, could you add me to op.67 no.5, please?

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#1991090 - 11/26/12 01:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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#1991375 - 11/27/12 08:20 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs

Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Wayne, is there an easy way to convert an mp3 file to a, er, whatever YouTube uses file or do we need to supply visuals (like me in my ABBA costume smile )?



Failing to record a video (In full Abba dresscode), you could make a slideshow with some pics, using windows movie maker, like Recaredo did for his M1 piece. Then convert it to flv (flash). I use Freestudiomanager.

http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/free-dvd-video-software.htm

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Please let me know what you decide to do for this, Richard. I didn't realize in the beginning this recital was video only submissions. So, now trying to figure out a strategy as well.

My preference will be to actually get a camera and the whole deal, but to do it right will be pricy I'm finding and is not likely going to happen in this time frame.
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#1991391 - 11/27/12 09:06 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I won't be getting a camera, Jeff, I'm not expecting to get anything more than a black/blank screen while the mp3 file plays! Maybe a picture of a coffin! (I'm doing the funeral march)
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#1991405 - 11/27/12 09:48 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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I won't be getting a camera, Jeff, I'm not expecting to get anything more than a black/blank screen while the mp3 file plays! Maybe a picture of a coffin! (I'm doing the funeral march)


Sounds like a plan. I guess I do not need to over think this after all. I will try and think of an equally appropriate image. Op 102, no. 6 is reminiscent of a Hymn to me, so Church like images are flashing through my brain now.
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#1991409 - 11/27/12 10:02 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Greener]
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Op 102, no. 6 is reminiscent of a Hymn to me...

They wrote a Hymn to YOU?! laugh
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#1991413 - 11/27/12 10:12 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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Originally Posted By: Greener
Op 102, no. 6 is reminiscent of a Hymn to me...

They wrote a Hymn to YOU?! laugh



Yes, I'm certain of it ... Lord knows I need a good Hymn and a Prayer right about now. So this at least covers the Hymn part.
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#1991425 - 11/27/12 10:45 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Have we decided on a time frame for this recital yet? I have a recording of 38/6 (with video) that I made in the summer of 2011. At least I have proof that I could play it at one time! I tried playing through it the other day and it was very rough - not suitable for playing in public. It would probably take me about a month to get it back into playing shape.

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#1991453 - 11/27/12 11:48 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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It would be nicer if you could brush up on your piece Sam, so all the recital entries are current. But it is totally up to you. There's no set timeframe yet, we are taking it as it comes so to speak smile But you're guarenteed a couplke of months wink

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#1992341 - 11/29/12 09:53 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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What was I thinking? Did I lose my mind? I DO NOT have presto fingers. I can play the tarantella (Op 102, 3)but not fast enough. Do you all have a nice adagio or andante suggestion so I don't have to quit entirely? HELP!!!
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#1992346 - 11/29/12 10:20 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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There are still slower songs available, WiseBuff. You may listen to all these pieces on this play list from Youtube, I’m sure you can still pick one you like.


http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDF65C522375E620C&feature=plcp
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#1992373 - 11/29/12 11:32 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: WiseBuff]
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What was I thinking? Did I lose my mind? I DO NOT have presto fingers. I can play the tarantella (Op 102, 3)but not fast enough. Do you all have a nice adagio or andante suggestion so I don't have to quit entirely? HELP!!!


What about op.38 #1 or op. 53 #4 ?



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#1992387 - 11/29/12 11:54 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: WiseBuff]
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Op67,3 has awesome intro but it looks like you need bigger hands (which i have not frown ) and 102,1 is very nice romantic piece but it is a little longer.
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#1992897 - 11/30/12 04:02 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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WiseBuff, are you still considering which one to do? If you don't want this one, I'd be willing to try it:
Book 4, op. 53, No. 4 Adagio in F major

I'm mostly outclassed in this Mendelssohn Songs Without Words performing company, but I think I could tackle this one.
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#1992952 - 11/30/12 06:24 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I am still considering but I have only the Intro to Mendelssohn book and not all of the Songs are in there. I can't get the sheet music without stumbling through multiple layers of different websites. I'll have it sorted out by morning
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#1992958 - 11/30/12 06:39 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: WiseBuff]
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I am still considering but I have only the Intro to Mendelssohn book and not all of the Songs are in there. I can't get the sheet music without stumbling through multiple layers of different websites. I'll have it sorted out by morning


http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0c/IMSLP59573-PMLP05355-Combined.pdf

(open the left hand window for bookmarks and easier navigation)

53,4 has a few big chords. A perfect opportunity for the smaller-handed pianist to experiment with some re-arranging.



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#1992961 - 11/30/12 06:47 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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WiseBuff, the imslp Mendelssohn page has all the Songs Without Words. Look under L for the Lieder ohne Worte.
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#1993091 - 12/01/12 06:43 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thanks for the info...I found it. Please let me give up the fantasy of playing at presto and try the 53 no 4 adagio instead. Wow...lots of exercise with chords. A new challenge.
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#1993125 - 12/01/12 09:15 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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If you're still game, PS88, 38 No.4 or 67 No. 3 are equally workable alternatives to 53 No. 4.
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#1993134 - 12/01/12 09:57 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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PS88 if you really want 53 no 4 I'll go to the other suggestions of zrtf90.
They are all challenging to me.
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#1993186 - 12/01/12 12:37 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Let me know what you guys decide, then I'll update the list smile

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#1993391 - 12/01/12 08:32 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I'll do opus 38 number 4, andante in A major. Thanks for the suggestion, Richard.
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#1993532 - 12/02/12 06:40 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Alright I'm dedicated to 53 #4 then. Now if you have suggestions on managing the huge chords in the first few measures I'd appreciate the creativity.
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#1993537 - 12/02/12 07:09 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - AimeeO
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major - PianoStudent88
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major -
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

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#1994158 - 12/03/12 01:49 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Come on folks, there's a few seats left smile

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#1994182 - 12/03/12 03:05 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I would like to share ideas on learning these.  Also I'm wondering where people are on the spectrum from "knew my selection already, just need to brush it up" through "challenging, but I've played similar works before" all the way to "this is going to be by far the hardest piece I've ever learned" (that's me).

My approach to learning is first to work out the fingering for the whole piece, and then to focus on small parts at a time.  Sometimes I work back to front.  For this one I think I'll adopt Richard's suggestion of working on four measures at a time (the piece is mostly in six measure phrases, in subunits of two measures, so four will cross six in a curious but not insane way, so it seems as reasonable approach as any).

Actually the very very first step I usually do is play through a piece very slowly, HT, a few times, to get a feel for it.  This may be bad in terms of allowing my fingers to taste the dread Wrong Fingering and Mistaken Notes, but this is what I do.  Someday I'll experiment with starting a piece more cautiously.

The other thing I do at some point, and with this piece I'm doing it at the beginning before working out the fingering, is analyze the piece harmonically and thematically.  (I'm doing analysis exhaustively first on this piece because I'm waiting on an edition I've ordered that claims to have fingering and I want to try that before investing too much time and muscle memory in a home-grown possibly inferior fingering.  Yes, I know, different hands, adapt the fingering, etc etc, but I still like starting with published fingering because I usually find in it some clever solution to some particularly tricky puzzles.)

The thematic analysis has shown me the structural outlines of the piece.  The harmonic analysis has gotten me to look very closely and see where similar melodic phrases are harmonized differently, meaning I have to be sure to come up with separate fingering for each one.  It has also shown me some places where a harmony is continued from beat to beat and thus might affect my choice of pedaling.  But I'm not sure how much the harmonic analysis will affect my playing.  I think I'm going to be challenged just to get the right notes, voice the melody, shape the phrases with the indicated dynamics, and if I'm doing really well make audible the few different articulations that are notated.  Plus do all of that at something resembling Andante Walking Pace rather than Snail's Pace.  (I was heartened by the fact that Barenboim's recording took this at a slower pace than I would have expected, so an artistically reasonable tempo is in reach for me, I hope.)

I haven't mentioned expression, pedaling, articulation, dynamics, rubato, etc. as separate steps because I think I'll be working on all of those as I work through it a few measures at a time. Something I learned from listening to the Satie themed recital is that I need to learn to be MUCH more expressive, even within the limited range of a Satie Gymnopedie. How much more expression will be required in a broad-ranging Romantic (or at least on-the-verge-of-Romantic) Song.

I'd love to hear others' thoughts on learning these pieces.
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#1994206 - 12/03/12 03:50 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thanks for your post PS88, I'm doing the same, but just 2 bars at a time, I started yesterday and am happy with this approach (I really want to do this one properly, taking in all the points you mention, these are the things I need to work on)

And this is definately the hardest piece I've ever learned wink


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#1994215 - 12/03/12 04:17 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88

Also I'm wondering where people are on the spectrum from "knew my selection already, just need to brush it up" through "challenging, but I've played similar works before" all the way to "this is going to be by far the hardest piece I've ever learned" ...


My piece is fairly easy. I did not choose it for that reason, but rather because I liked it having listened to them all. There were certainly some I excluded immediately of course though, due to clearly being beyond my capacity.

It has been very good piece to work on for my pace of slow reading. It took me about a week I think to play the piece in its entirety, and to this day I am still reading it from the score, which is new for me.

However, still a lot of work to do in getting the dynamics I will want for final presentation.

Certainly not the toughest I have ever learned. But a new piece for me, and one I am liking while also developing other works. So, quite happy with my choice. Plus, we covered it in the Sonata analysis which was added bonus.
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#1994236 - 12/03/12 05:06 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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For this one I think I'll adopt Richard's suggestion of working on four measures at a time (the piece is mostly in six measure phrases, in subunits of two measures, so four will cross six in a curious but not insane way, so it seems as reasonable approach as any).

The idea of doing the piece four measures at a time was because it suited the phrasing.

It's not the best method here as it breaks the phrasing against the musical idea.

My approach to this piece would be quite different.

I would start by looking at each measure individually looking for mechanical difficulties like M5 (= M11 & M23) with the idea of absorbing the fingering and mechanics without concern for tempo of any kind and the same where the inner fingers change in the chord progression of M8 (= M14). There are no other areas of concern for me personally but M16-17 might be a rhythmic issue between the hands. There may be some time practising the chords and their changes HS if they're unfamiliar or awkward, the rest is memorising and practising nice and slow.

I would either leave M1-3 and M27-30 to the end or work them up while doing my M5 and 8 exercises.

When there are no mechanical difficulties left I would start on M4-5, M6-7 and M8-9 separately and put them together when they're fluent.

I'd be watchful of minor changes before taking it up to M15 by about the end of December. Where the measures are close but not exactly identical e.g M7, M13 and M23 I would practise them on separate days early on so as not to cause confusion.

M16-17, M18-19, M20-21 in isolation (like M4-9) before appending M22-23 (watch the changes) and tack on M24-25 by mid to late Jan.

I would start joining M1-15 together in late Jan-early Feb and M16-30 on alternate days (or every two days, maybe).

By late Feb I'd put put both halves together and start two or three recordings a day picking up minor flaws and adding improvements.

I honestly can't see this going out before mid March so I'd take Christmas week off and go easy.

I only learn new stuff Mon-Fri and do maintenance on the weekends. This allows catch-up time if I fall behind schedule anywhere.

That's how I'd do it. Merge the ideas from this with your own preferred approach.
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#1994244 - 12/03/12 05:22 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Richard, thank you, I will print out your ideas and look at them in conjunction with the score.

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I would start by looking at each measure individually looking for mechanical difficulties

For me, that would be every single beat after the first beat of the piece.

Why do you memorize everything? I wasn't planning to memorize this, because to me that seems like an entire extra level of complexity and stress and effort, especially when I don't have a lot of practice at memorization. Plus I'd like to continue working on memorizing the Clementi Sonatina #4 that I'm working on memorizing (partly as a test case to learn how to memorize), and I'm afraid that trying to memorize two pieces will interfere with each other. What am I missing about the benefits of memorization?
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#1994258 - 12/03/12 06:03 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: zrtf90
I would start by looking at each measure individually looking for mechanical difficulties

For me, that would be every single beat after the first beat of the piece.

By mecanical difficulty I mean a leap, a trill in weak fingers, changing inner fingers of a chord in relation to the outer fingers, crossing the fourth finger over fifth while holding down second etc.

Measure three might be difficult in RH (Am - E7 - Am) but LH is easy enough. Once RH is sorted there's no mechanical difficulty even though the measure isn't easy to play (until it's memorised! smile ).




Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Why do you memorize everything?

If there's a bit of tricky fingering and it isn't marked in the score, how do you know what fingers to use?

Imagine a five note ascent from D to G, say, ending in a trill. If I play 1-2-3-4-5 I have to try and trill with 4-5. If I play 1-2-1-2-3 I trill with two and three. I could write in the 1 over the third note and give myself yet more information to take in at a glance or I could memorise it!

Memorising means taking a short section and repeating it. Exactly the same process I use to learn to play a piece without memorising it! So why not memorise it? If I memorise it I can practise it on the kitchen worktop when I'm frying an egg or boiling a kettle, on the steering wheel at traffic lights. And when the boss is telling me something really important and I have to look like I'm concentrating on what he's saying I can practise it without even moving my fingers (it grows the neural connexions just the same but without errors).


Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
I wasn't planning to memorize this, because to me that seems like an entire extra level of complexity and stress and effort, especially when I don't have a lot of practice at memorization. Plus I'd like to continue working on memorizing the Clementi Sonatina #4 that I'm working on memorizing (partly as a test case to learn how to memorize), and I'm afraid that trying to memorize two pieces will interfere with each other. What am I missing about the benefits of memorization?

I work on memorising three to five pieces each day, the pieces change every week to prevent boredom and to give the pieces assimilation time. That means I'm in the process of memorising between 15 and, currently, thirty pieces. I work on small sections of each. I've never played the notes from one piece in the middle of another.

If I wasn't memorising this piece I would still work it the same way.
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#1994260 - 12/03/12 06:06 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Come on folks, there's a few seats left smile


Among the ones still not taken there are still a few not too difficult pieces, but there are also some virtually unplayable ones definitely out of range for an adult beginner, and very difficult even for very experienced amateurs.

The ones I fear the most are the following:

Op 30/2
Op 38/1
Op 53/3
Op 62/2

Then we have Op 67/2 which is perhaps the hardest of all, but that one is accounted for, and I look forward to listening to it.

The only piece among these I would have considered myself is Op 62/2. But since I have chosen Op 19/5 for myself I stick to that.

Somebody should consider Op 62/1 and Op 62/5. They are very beautiful pieces, the first one being the easier one. Op 62/5 is the most beautiful of Mendelssohn's "Barcarolles".

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#1994269 - 12/03/12 06:32 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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If they're not all taken are all bets off?
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#1994281 - 12/03/12 07:00 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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You will have to play any untaken ones Richard smile Joking! They will get taken lol wink


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#1994368 - 12/03/12 10:35 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Richard, on memorization vs. playing from the score, I use reading the score to remind my fingers where to go. Here's an example from singing: I sing alto in my chorus, and we sang Angels We Have Heard On High (the one with the melismatic Glorias). I'd only ever sung the soprano part before, and I can sing the melody for the Glorias from memory. But I don't know the alto part by heart. I need the music to remind me where to go. Now, there's some learning and practice I've had to do compared to when we first started the piece, because I'm not good at sight-singing. I'm good at reading rhythms at first sight, but I don't have reliable grasp of the pitches to sing until I've heard my part. So I've learned something from practice, in order to know exactly which pitches to sing when looking at the music. But I still need the score, because without the reminder of where to go up and down, I don't remember the part precisely. Piano playing is similar for me.

I have noticed that after I have done memory work, my playing from the score improves; perhaps because the kind of practice I do for memory work gets me to really explore the notes in a way that helps me learn them better. But after the memory work, I find that I can generally still play faster with the score than without, because if I'm able to read the music for reminders of where to go I can go faster and more reliably than when I'm working purely from memory where I get slowed down by the very effort of trying to remember what to play.
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#1994480 - 12/04/12 05:46 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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...I use reading the score to remind my fingers where to go....after the memory work, I find that I can generally still play faster with the score than without, because if I'm able to read the music for reminders of where to go I can go faster and more reliably...

That's how most people practise! That's why people play better after a few plays through compared to sight-reading. They remember the notes, oh yes they do, but the score reminds them. All the time.

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
...perhaps because the kind of practice I do for memory work gets me to really explore the notes in a way that helps me learn them better.

Exactly!! Learning = Remembering.

Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
...when I'm working purely from memory...I get slowed down by the very effort of trying to remember what to play.

Wrong! We remember everything. What you're struggling with is recall!

Remembering = storing.
Recall = retrieving.

Memorising is not remembering - we do that anyway. It's practising recall. That must be slow. And it must be practised.

Finger memory (procedural, motor or muscle memory) is reacting to cues not conscious recall. Practising recall is building cognisant memory. Cognisant memory is less prone to breakdown. You know when you know it. You're less easily thrown. You can pick it up at the next beat or measure. If you leap down to an F instead of an E it can break finger memory because the next note is known in relation to the last but in cognisant memory you know what the next note is and you can recover quickly - often without people noticing.

We remember everything anyway but we must practise recall. Recall uses a different neural pathway. We have to grow that pathway. But once it's there, it's there pretty much for life. And it's solid. You don't forget it.
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#1994513 - 12/04/12 08:10 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I've got op67 no1 just about memorized now.I'm still getting the odd memory block though, I hate those things.
Interesting what's just been said about learning to recall.I've always relied too much on finger memory which is fine until it breaks down.Nowadays I practice starting at random points in the score, I find this helps a lot although it's hard work to begin with.
Also I find that newly memorized pieces tend to fall apart not long after they are first memorized.I'm kind of at that stage now with op67 no1 of recognizing where errors are creeping in and using slow practice to clean them up.


Technically, bars 24 and 25 are still giving me some trouble.The high b flats cause problems for hands that can't stretch a comfortable tenth.That's most people I would guess.
It's a lovely piece of music though and like all these songs without words it's great practice in the art of picking out a melody.Something which may well get the better of me, but it wont be for want of trying.

I notice that op85 no1 still hasn't been taken.It's a great piece and not too difficult once you've mastered the polyrhythms.
On the subject of difficulty, this is how Henle rate these pieces.This seems fairly accurate to me.
http://www.henle.com/en/detail/index.html?Title=Songs+without+words_327


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#1994620 - 12/04/12 12:35 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: timmyab]
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Originally Posted By: timmyab

Technically, bars 24 and 25 are still giving me some trouble.


It looks as though the G falling on the last beat of the RH of 24/25 should be incorporated into the LH.

I think you might have a few alternatives there.

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#1994680 - 12/04/12 03:04 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: dire tonic]
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It looks as though the G falling on the last beat of the RH of 24/25 should be incorporated into the LH.

I think you might have a few alternatives there.

Yes, that's what I've been doing.It's kind of tricky though because of the awkward left hand figure that follows it and because the G is a melody note so has to be accented.It is coming gradually.

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#1994812 - 12/05/12 12:18 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I think I'm going to give up 30 3, and pick something else. I may regret this(actually I'm pretty sure I will), but think I want to learn something faster. 30 3 isn't too bad (which is why I originally picked it hehehe) if someone wants to give it a go. I'll know what I want by next Tuesday.

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#1994819 - 12/05/12 12:50 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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AimeeO, if you are giving up 30/3 Adagio non troppo in E, I will gladly take it over. It looks a bit easier than my current 38/4 (and Henle agrees with me).
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#1994868 - 12/05/12 04:20 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: WiseBuff]
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Alright I'm dedicated to 53 #4 then. Now if you have suggestions on managing the huge chords in the first few measures I'd appreciate the creativity.


Have you made any headway on this, Wisebuff? I can offer some suggestions but all are a compromise.

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#1994875 - 12/05/12 04:46 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88

I would like to share ideas on learning these.  Also I'm wondering where people are on the spectrum from "knew my selection already, just need to brush it up" through "challenging, but I've played similar works before" all the way to "this is going to be by far the hardest piece I've ever learned" (that's me).

My approach to learning is first to work out the fingering for the whole piece, and then to focus on small parts at a time.  Sometimes I work back to front.  For this one I think I'll adopt Richard's suggestion of working on four measures at a time (the piece is mostly in six measure phrases, in subunits of two measures, so four will cross six in a curious but not insane way, so it seems as reasonable approach as any).

Actually the very very first step I usually do is play through a piece very slowly, HT, a few times, to get a feel for it.  This may be bad in terms of allowing my fingers to taste the dread Wrong Fingering and Mistaken Notes, but this is what I do.  Someday I'll experiment with starting a piece more cautiously.

The other thing I do at some point, and with this piece I'm doing it at the beginning before working out the fingering, is analyze the piece harmonically and thematically.  (I'm doing analysis exhaustively first on this piece because I'm waiting on an edition I've ordered that claims to have fingering and I want to try that before investing too much time and muscle memory in a home-grown possibly inferior fingering.  Yes, I know, different hands, adapt the fingering, etc etc, but I still like starting with published fingering because I usually find in it some clever solution to some particularly tricky puzzles.)

The thematic analysis has shown me the structural outlines of the piece.  The harmonic analysis has gotten me to look very closely and see where similar melodic phrases are harmonized differently, meaning I have to be sure to come up with separate fingering for each one.  It has also shown me some places where a harmony is continued from beat to beat and thus might affect my choice of pedaling.  But I'm not sure how much the harmonic analysis will affect my playing.  I think I'm going to be challenged just to get the right notes, voice the melody, shape the phrases with the indicated dynamics, and if I'm doing really well make audible the few different articulations that are notated.  Plus do all of that at something resembling Andante Walking Pace rather than Snail's Pace.  (I was heartened by the fact that Barenboim's recording took this at a slower pace than I would have expected, so an artistically reasonable tempo is in reach for me, I hope.)

I haven't mentioned expression, pedaling, articulation, dynamics, rubato, etc. as separate steps because I think I'll be working on all of those as I work through it a few measures at a time. Something I learned from listening to the Satie themed recital is that I need to learn to be MUCH more expressive, even within the limited range of a Satie Gymnopedie. How much more expression will be required in a broad-ranging Romantic (or at least on-the-verge-of-Romantic) Song.

I'd love to hear others' thoughts on learning these pieces.


I wouldn't have taken on my piece without the 3 months or so allotted to the recital, it's one of the more difficult I've tried although the metronome marking for it is a heck of a lot slower than e.g. Barenboim takes it so that will mitigate somewhat. At least I have a choice and I love 67,2 at both medium or brisk.

In recording, unless I'm playing something relatively simple, I tend to tense up as I approach the end - that's especially true when I've made a good start as there's then more at stake. For that reason I jumped, soon after starting, to the last page and that will get a periodic (extra) work-out while honing up the rest of the piece. That'll help me relax when it comes time to record.

Other than what I hear intuitively in the way of form, harmonic analysis would serve me no purpose but I can see how systematically breaking down a structure can help provide a road map for some.

Memorise in small musical units, complete or half-complete morsels. Zone in on the smallest neighbourhood - as little as 2 beats - of a persistent problem and try and form a playable loop. Repeat until confident then gradually expand the loop to take in more of the leading and trailing notation.

At the outset I only pay attention to fingering (so, so important as a cue) and note lengths. Without going out of my way to avoid expression I never consciously attend to it (speed or volume) until the notes of the entire piece are reasonably confident at which point I have my blank canvas.


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#1994947 - 12/05/12 09:52 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic
At the outset I only pay attention to fingering (so, so important as a cue) and note lengths. I would never bother with expression (speed or volume) until the notes are second nature at which point I have my blank canvas.

Excellent post, dire tonic. Each paragraph has impact and importance on this recital and is worth re-reading. This last one is especially worth paying attention to. I've recently discussed this with another on this forum who prefers to tend to one thing at a time and this method fits into it nicely.

My own preference is to memorise the piece in my head after audiating from the score (my blank canvas) and frequently singing it to myself so my interpretation is formed as a perfect idea before I sit down to the piano, uncluttered by the imperfections thrown up by my fingers, and I consequently pay attention to every last detail of each snippet before I move on. It's not for everyone.

Also I agree that a harmonic analysis in lyrical pieces like these is less important than a melodic one especially if the phrases aren't marked in. Performers whose intuitive ability is not backed up with as much experience might spend a little time looking where the phrases stop and start and use this to break the piece into musically integral units rather than just two or three bars arbitrarily.
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#1994961 - 12/05/12 10:22 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Expression

Thinking about what dire tonic and Richard have said, as I've been practicing memorizing my Clementi Sonatina, I have discovered that I definitely want to learn the dynamics and articulation as I'm learning the fingering, which is to say, learn them all at the same time as I'm working initially on the piece in morsels. I mention this as coming from work on Clementi, but everything I'm learning about memorizing will be very applicable to my work on my Mendelssohn Song Without Words for this themed recital. (Richard, you have convinced me to tackle memorizing my Mendelssohn.)

Now, in working on a morsel I will probably get the fingering first, and then work on the expression. But I want to have memorized the expression before I move on to the next morsel. This is because the expression as indicated in the score may not be what I would myself think of as obvious for the piece (and this is even more true for the Mendelssohn Songs Without Words, with their sudden dynamics changes), so if I don't learn them on the first pass, then I have to go through a second time with a whole new layer of learning the notated expression.

Also I am finding that I need practice in swelling and shrinking a phrase, and it's good for me to get that practice from the very beginning, rather than spend a lot of time learning to play without expression. I want all my playing to have expression, and there's no reason to artificially cut my practice time for expression in half by ignoring expression for the whole first part of my learning.

As I get the piece very comfortably under my fingers, I expect I will be able to put even more expression into it, so in that sense I don't have the final expression from the very beginning. Also as I get more familiar with the piece, I will find new nuances of expression I want to put into it. But I will have the outlines of the notated expression from the very beginning.
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#1994978 - 12/05/12 10:46 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Analysis

More thoughts from thinking about dire tonic's and Richard's posts: Harmonic analysis is the first analytical tool I learned, so it is always my first thought on looking at a piece. I am learning from Richard's prodding how to do other types of analysis, and I agree that melodic analysis is particularly important in a Song Without Words, for example to give ideas for how to shape the phrases.

But things I learn from harmonic analysis of a piece include:

It gets me to look very closely at all the notes. Then I branch off into looking at patterns in the notes in other ways than harmonically. Other people might have other ways of getting up close and personal with the notes, but for me harmonic analysis gives me that starting point.

It tells me things about the phrases, like where they begin and end, or where a phrase ends on an unsettled chord and only resolves with the first note of the next phrase, which tells me something about possible interpretation. Other people can probably hear things like this easily, and don't need to do the formal analysis, but for me the harmonic analysis gives me big clues about what to listen for that might otherwise elude me for a long time. I suppose I could practice just listening, and learning to hear these things without the formal analytic clues, but honestly that listening seems to proceed so slowly for me. (Example: the radio played a clip of Ira Gershwin singing something from Porgy and Bess. The announcer warned that he was off-key at the beginning, but that the clip got better after the start. Well. Ha. I couldn't hear any off-keyness at all, it all sounded just fine to me.)

Beyond just phrase endings, but also internally within phrases, in listening to these Songs Without Words, I don't hear any obvious "this is a normal harmony, this is an unusual harmony" cues that I hear in the Clementi Sonatinas we were working with over on the Analysis thread. So I don't know what that's all about, but it means that I still want the formal harmonic analysis to match up with what I hear and try to figure out what harmonic effects Mendelssohn is using and what they sound like.

I mentioned that the harmonic analysis might tell me things about possible interpretation, but then again, maybe not. Here's another example: I was playing Gurlitt's Little Flower for my teacher last year, and she said "that sounds just like a little flower." Well. Ha. I hadn't been thinking about making it sound like a little flower at all. I'd been thinking purely technically about adding Romantic expression: big swells and diminuendos in the phrases, expressive rubato at the phrase ends, big forte's where indicated. And my impression after my exhaustive harmonic analysis of my Mendelssohn Song Without Words left me thinking that a similar thing is true here too: pay attention to the dynamics and other technical issues, and the harmonic effects will emerge all by themselves from the notes that Mendelssohn has chosen, without any need to emphasize them further. (The one exception where harmonic analysis might influence my interpretation would be finding the tension chord(s) just before a resolution, and hanging on them a bit longer. Or conversely, sinking deeply into the resolution itself. This is the kind of choice that I won't know until I can play the piece, albeit slowly, and can practice listening to the different choices. I can't audiate well enough to decide on these things just from reading the score away from the piano.)

This is different from for example Bach's Prelude in C where my dynamic interpretation is intimately linked to the harmonic analysis, emphasising the strange chords and relaxing on the plain chords. (I'm not sure if Richard would agree with this approach to expression in that Prelude, since when we analyzed it he had an entirely different way of understanding its structure.)

Specifically from doing harmonic analysis on Romantic pieces (Schubert over on the Analysis thread, Mendelssohn here), I am learning to expand my understanding of harmonic vocabulary beyond the Baroque and Classical harmony that is all I have studied before now. By going through note by note and chord by chord, I'm really absorbing some of the new things the Romantics are doing with chromaticism. I like knowing about these things, rather than just seeing a score and the composer's choices as a mass of notes with the only things I can say about them being "this is for colour" or "this is for effect". What I've seen so far in the composers I've studied, including Schubert and Mendelssohn, is that they choose their harmonies and chromatics according to very careful principles; they're not just a random set of notes set down any old way that happen to sound good. As I move forward in time beyond the early Romantics, I expect to start learning more and more about the ways that successive composers stretched the harmonic envelope step by step.
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#1995027 - 12/05/12 12:45 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major -
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major -
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

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#1995339 - 12/06/12 07:42 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Alright I'm dedicated to 53 #4 then. Now if you have suggestions on managing the huge chords in the first few measures I'd appreciate the creativity.


Have you made any headway on this, Wisebuff? I can offer some suggestions but all are a compromise.



Yes I'm making headway but still find I need to leave out the lower F in measure 2 in order to maintain the melody in the right hand. I'll see my teacher tomorrow and she may have a better suggestion. I'm still working through the first page and the first four measures are the most difficult as far as fingering. Any suggestions are welcome.
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#1995499 - 12/06/12 02:25 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne is up to the end of bar 8 now, but it's still real slow, wink I don't know wether to continue to the next bar 9 and 10 tomorow, or take a break and work solely on these first 8 bars till they're perfectish? smile

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#1995569 - 12/06/12 05:25 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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If you've done to bar 8, Wayne, you have done up to bar 10! You've also got the technique for 10-14, 22-30 and 41-45 after you've accommodated those nasty subtle changes.

Personally I would drop these bars and let them assimilate for a while. Your attention should first be on 14-18, then 18-22, 30-34 and 34-41. I would spend a week on each of these sections in isolation then a fortnight to combine each pair taking you to the middle of January (assuming you continue over Christmas).

In middle to late Jan you can return to these simpler sections (you might use weekends to keep them in your head and use half-bar sections to work up some tempo).

By mid Feb you should be ready to think about joining these sections and control the tempo with a metronome. When you're free of hesitations at about 50-60 bpm for minims you should be able to let the tempo come up quite quickly to whatever feels comfortable for you (and keeps you mistake free).

There's absolutely no point letting mistakes in anywhere here just to have it ready in time for a recital. Get it right and use whatever tempo you're up to for the recital. No-one's going to be upset by a slower tempo but will you be happy recording errors?

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#1995574 - 12/06/12 05:36 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Thanks Richard, You're the Man! wink

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#1995594 - 12/06/12 06:18 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Wayne is up to the end of bar 8 now, but it's still real slow, wink I don't know wether to continue to the next bar 9 and 10 tomorow, or take a break and work solely on these first 8 bars till they're perfectish? smile



If we are to play these mid February my strategy is to have the whole thing under my fingers by mid January. That means a new measure every day attending to dynamics and fingering and hoping that the previous measures begin to feel comfortable (perfectish feels pretty out there right now). Then with the whole in my head I hope to smooth it out and get it ready for performance. I was up to six measures today but the first two are tough ones and not as beautiful as they could be.
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#1995606 - 12/06/12 06:46 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
If we are to play these mid February...

Mid February is the ABF Recital. I don't think we'll clash with that so would allow at least another month to mid March before this goes ahead.

If it's any help, try dropping the RH accompaniment in the first measures and just play the LH with the RH melody and make it sound beautiful before adding the rest of the RH. It gives you something to aim for instead of hoping to hear it right. You might try it all the way up to measure 9. That's a beautiful melody.
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#1995612 - 12/06/12 07:01 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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Originally Posted By: zrtf90
Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
If we are to play these mid February...

Mid February is the ABF Recital. I don't think we'll clash with that so would allow at least another month to mid March before this goes ahead



We wouldn't dream of a coincidle Recital/video posting with Mr.S.H!

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#1995647 - 12/06/12 08:17 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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THAT is fabulous news. MOre time is better so I can relax and enjoy this piece. Whooohooo.
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#1995658 - 12/06/12 08:56 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I have a question about my piece---op30 no1.

Does anyone know...is there a trick to using the pedal to make the passages legato? For now I'm focusing on the first part. Even just looking at bars 1 and 2. Both the left and right hand play triplets for accompaniment, and then the right hand also has to play the melody. The melody is played with my 5th finger RH, but it is marked legato. Initially I was trying to hold on to those melody notes with my pinky while I was playing the triplets with the rest of the fingers on my right hand, but it was causing pain in my hand so I have to use the pedal to do it. however i just can't seem to get it. Barenboim makes it sound so lovely and legato, but mine sounds either choppy or smudged.

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#1995739 - 12/07/12 02:16 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Op.31/1 is a very hard piece. This is the case when played both at low and high speed. At several places you will have to play a two-against-three rythm with your right hand. And the general challenge is to bring out the melody along with the triplets of the two middle voices. I use quite rapid action with the pedal when I play this piece myself, but I have to admit that I have never been able to bring it up to a high artistic level.

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#1995743 - 12/07/12 02:46 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Valencia]
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Originally Posted By: Valencia
I have a question about my piece---op30 no1.

Does anyone know...is there a trick to using the pedal to make the passages legato? For now I'm focusing on the first part. Even just looking at bars 1 and 2. Both the left and right hand play triplets for accompaniment, and then the right hand also has to play the melody. The melody is played with my 5th finger RH, but it is marked legato. Initially I was trying to hold on to those melody notes with my pinky while I was playing the triplets with the rest of the fingers on my right hand, but it was causing pain in my hand so I have to use the pedal to do it. however i just can't seem to get it. Barenboim makes it sound so lovely and legato, but mine sounds either choppy or smudged.



Don’t injure yourself! Use sustain as liberally as needed but aim to use the suggested fingering. Often as not you’ll find a lot of it will fall under your fingers and give you your legato.

I’ve only looked at the first few bars but there are a couple of things to note. Heavy use of the pinky but also use 4 to enhance legato for example between Ab and Bb in bar 2.

Quite a bit of finger swapping going on in the melody (e.g. Eb in bar 3 and C in bar 4). Is the fingering marked in your score?

In bar 2, just after the Ab melody note, the RH G should be played by the LH together with the Bb. That's going to give the RH some vital independence. Is that marked in your score? If not I can point you to a better edition.


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#1995761 - 12/07/12 03:46 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: WiseBuff]
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Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: WiseBuff
Alright I'm dedicated to 53 #4 then. Now if you have suggestions on managing the huge chords in the first few measures I'd appreciate the creativity.


Have you made any headway on this, Wisebuff? I can offer some suggestions but all are a compromise.



Yes I'm making headway but still find I need to leave out the lower F in measure 2 in order to maintain the melody in the right hand. I'll see my teacher tomorrow and she may have a better suggestion. I'm still working through the first page and the first four measures are the most difficult as far as fingering. Any suggestions are welcome.


Looking at bar 2, I’m assuming your score indicates the top A in the LH chord should be played with the RH? I’d say my hands are a tad smaller than average but I can do a fingertip 10th with the LH, a fraction less with the RH. So in bar 2 I can take on the bass clef 10th chord entirely providing I omit the middle F. Also in the RH, I can just manage the fingertip 9th with B nat. at the top. Are either of those intervals within your reach? If so, you can juggle the responsibility for those extreme notes without losing too much of the richness in the harmony.

For the chord with the C melody – unless you can do the LH fingertip 10th - you’d have to drop the bottom F as you’ve already suggested but that’s fairly transient and not too big a sacrifice.

Hope that’s of use. I’d be very interested to know what your teacher suggests.

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