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#1985018 - 11/10/12 11:44 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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I agree that you could pull off the modular piano. For a mechanically competent person it is a pretty trivial matter, and given your other projects I have no doubt about that.

One thing I thought I'd mention is that the MP6 might actually be a better candidate for this hack. The action is more compact and self contained, and it is also very good, if not quite the MP10. It is also all plastic which might help in the marine environment. One of the online retailer stocks and sells damaged MP10s, which might be a good way to go, if a little risky.

By the way, my other hobbies are sailing and bicycles (and woodworking and "mechaniking"), so I am very intrigued by your projects. I am less of a computer hacker, but definitely a bicycle/machine hacker, so I love to see all of this stuff.

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#1985238 - 11/11/12 04:34 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Whitfit - interesting data point on the MP6; thanks! I look forward to seeing how this project unfolds... I appreciate the encouragement.

And yes, it's really the combination of passions, isn't it? That's always what has driven me on these crazy quests; I have the most fun when everything I love is all blended into a lifestyle. Here's the final version of my bike, about 21 years ago (I think I may have linked to a page with this photo earlier in the thread, but an inline photo is more fun). I carried my flute 17,000 miles, and it was an essential part of the adventure... I feel the same way now about the piano on the sailboat.



Fair winds!
Steve


Edited by Nomadness (11/11/12 02:54 PM)
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#1989643 - 11/22/12 02:00 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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HI...

Question for y'all... has anyone seen the innards of a PX-350?

I've been continuing to refine the design here, and have pretty well decided that sound generation should be handed off to a Mac Mini Server that's only about 4 feet away and lightly loaded. No rack synth needed, and it would be overkill anyway. I like the sound of the Galaxy Vintage D and a few others of the ilk... and having internal sounds as well is not a bad thing either... quick turn-key playing when I don't want to mess with the setup of the Mac with VNC on the iPad, etc.

This gets me back to the controller question, and my dimensional constraints are severe enough that it looks like I almost certainly need to do the hack I mentioned earlier (repackaging the keybed to a minimal drawer that can be pushed well under the boat's lab desk, past my knees... then pulled out enough to clear the keys for playing, with no control-panel overhead). If I have to do that anyway, I am no longer limited to the svelte slabs... so I might as well stop looking for something that may not exist, find an acceptable keyboard in whatever form, buy the thing, extract the innards, and toss the cabinet.

So it's down to this: Doepfer looks interesting, if a bit unknown, but they seem to have the best of the Fatar actions. Studiologic has enough detractors here that I'm wary. What about getting one of the new Casios? The 350 is $799 at the moment, and I'd be much less nervous tearing into one than, say, a Nord (which wins on pure techno-lust terms, but is honestly more than I need or want to risk). Given the environment, and the resale-destroying hack, I should be looking at cost:performance ratio... so I'm wondering about the internal "modularity" of the PX-350 board layout. As cleanly hackable as the MP10 as revealed in the nekkid pictures thread from a while back?

(This is worth asking, because manufacturing cost-minimization often makes things highly unhackable... separate boards with open harnesses are very nice.)

I have considered just tearing apart my existing RD-700SX. I'm not in love with the sounds, though, and it feels a bit dated overall... but I suppose I should ask how a PX-350 would compare, given the age difference (what, about 8 years?). When I'm using software pianos, of course, the sounds don't matter, so maybe that's the best choice, even with the somewhat ancient USB interface and cryptic user interface... though I suspect I'd use on-board voices quite a lot if they are nice, and a generational update is very appealing here.

Cheers, and thanks again for the patient and enthusiastic brainstorming help... it has really made a difference!

Steve


(Added note: I know the 350 has internal speakers, but it also seems to be the most feature-rich of the product family and sounds very nice in the demos I've heard. Depending on how they are packaged, the included speakers and amp might make it into the system as "extras" independent of the boat's main audio system... again with the idea of just having a one-switch solution for quick tinkering, which is how I tend to play much of the time. I seem to learn better when keyboard time is sprinkled through the day rather than taken in large chunks, so an easy turnkey system is very appealing if I can shoehorn it in.)


Edited by Nomadness (11/22/12 02:43 PM)
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#1999230 - 12/14/12 12:38 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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HI folks...

It's been three weeks since my last post in this thread, and I've had a few additional thoughts that simplify the problem. Here's a quick update, followed by a few questions.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm assuming that there will be software pianos when I want maximum quality, but I also find real value in simply being able to switch on one thing and play. These are not mutually incompatible, of course, and the lesson here is that it is probably a lot easier to choose a DP instead of a controller, given the much wider range of options and the economies of scale.

The big change is the realization that I don't have to do the keybed repackaging job I was anticipating/dreading... there are enough projects to keep me busy, and that one would have been fiddly. When seated at the boat's lab desktop, it turns out that I have a little over 13" between my knees and the first obstacle in front of them (a vertical post that supports the center of the desk). Clearance above the knee is about 4" (barely enough for the thinnest slabs) but there is enough room in the other dimension for most of the off-the-shelf stage pianos or home digitals.

Packaging will be a simple drawer, pulling from the locked position under the desk to an extended position that is just enough to clear the controls. This will require a seating hack, since this whole region is on a sort of pedestal and this moves my center of mass past the edge, but that's unavoidable and expected.

So given all that, and removing my earlier constraints about hackability, I'd like to refine the choice based on these observations:

  • Internal speakers are undesirable and redundant in this application (not only adding depth but superfluous with the marine stereo, big-iron amp, excellent speakers, and subwoofer all within arm's reach).
  • Ideal price point is about $1K, though I can nudge it up to $1.5K. This leaves out the NS2, alas... tempting but overkill! There are also a few sweet boards in the $2.5K range (ES7, RD-700NX...) that push this or dimensional limits.
  • Unlike most people, I'd actually prefer the thing to require a wall wart IF (and that's a big "if") the voltage it accepts is unregulated 12, allowing it to hang on the boat's battery bus. Otherwise, I'll live with AC and run the inverter... I'll probably have AC on almost all the time anyway, but hate to keep adding things that require it (like my espresso machine, but what are ya gonna do?).
  • Modern and excellent sounds, of course, though I expect to turn to Galaxy or other software voicing when I want to really optimize it. But for quick practice, it should at least sound nice by itself (huge subjective word there, but you know what I mean... good long decay, lush grand voice, plenty of polyphony, not shrill, no obvious looping, no buzz, etc)
  • Piano-esque touch. I've read the arguments about graded action, and I'm not accustomed to an AP, though I prefer a good piano feel to that of a lightweight synth or organ. I've only been playing about 6 years, and am not trying to replicate any previous experience... and heck, it's a boat. I expect some compromise.
  • Length less than 53" or so… more than that and it will start to interfere with things. Depth 13" or less, and height probably around 5" or less. In all dimensions, less is better!
  • MIDI capability, which is a given… USB at least. I don't have a current need for IN/OUT/THRU connectors.
  • Other voices, other features, gizmos, effects, recording, rhythm sections, layering... the more the merrier, as long as it doesn't start to compromise excellence where it counts.
  • Finally, a good sense of quality. This is the most ephemeral part, but there is an undeniable aesthetic component to this that affects my desire to practice (in addition to good sound). Cheap plasticky feel (of cabinet and keys) does not seduce the fingers.

The relaxation of packaging constraints opens lots of possibilities I had not considered before, and I'm on an island where the only music dealer is a delightfully friendly place with lots of stringed instruments, but only one old acoustic piano. I can't easily just go try a few things, though if it gets narrowed down to a couple of strong candidates I'd find my way to the mainland (or just take a chance). Every time I come to this forum, I spend an hour or so reading comparisons of boards, and I know it's hugely subjective, but given the issues above are there any that absolutely jump out from the pack as obvious best choices?

Many thanks for your thoughts and the collective wisdom of this community,
Steve


Edited by Nomadness (12/14/12 12:40 AM)
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#2000513 - 12/17/12 12:23 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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So a 1k-1.5k board with dimensions of >53" L, >13" D, and >5" H.....hmm this is a tough one.

I looked at about 10 boards at the 1k-1.5k mark and only 2 met your dimension requirements. The kawai ES6 (it's 1/2" bigger on all sides than what you want) and the Numa Nano( well under your size tolerances, but good luck reaching studiologic if you have a complaint). I'll try to do some more digging for you, but with those dimensions most boards from the BIG 4 are out( Roland, Yamaha, Kawai, Korg) Even the Nord piano is out dimension wise, plus it's not 1.5k either.

Hope this helps. I'll keep looking for you. Happy sailing!

Edit: Just saw the Numa Compact. It's well within the dimensions, and it's $670. May be worth a look into.
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#2000551 - 12/17/12 03:21 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: KHen]
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Thanks, KHen!

Did you mean the Kawai MP6? That's one of the ones on my short list...

Those numbers are not cast in STONE, though they get tight very quickly... the space already exists and has solid objects on all sides (desk support post, slightly movable... iMac to left... tool cabinet to right... knees to front...).

As to the Numa... I keep finding my way to those when searching specs, then get kind of turned off by user comments here and elsewhere. Oh, to not care! *grin*

And I do lust after the NS2 for its UI and overall feature set, though I have never touched one and it's way over-budget anyway.

The most annoying dimension is that 13" one, and I'm exploring work-arounds. It gets SO much easier if I let that creep up to 15" (among other things, the geekily appealing Korg Krome, though there are lots of not-so-complimentary reports on the keybed and it's also annoyingly long... so it is over 2 of the 3 limits). I'm half tempted to just shrug and get the PX-350, based largely on reports of good feel... it's half my price limit in a risky environment, and is within the space constraints.

(I have been tempted to just keep my Roland RD-700SX, but I'm frankly a little tired of it. It is also rather portly, over two of the dimension targets.)

GAS is really insidious, isn't it? Heck, I'm not even remotely pro-level like a good many of you folks, yet I'm spending HOURS in analyzing comments, specs, dimensions, interfaces, and overall subjective cost-performance ratio... without even getting a chance to actually try any of them. I know. I'm overthinking it, but what are ya gonna do? crazy

Cheers, and I'll post as this unfolds!


Edited by Nomadness (12/17/12 03:38 AM)
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#2468924 - 10/11/15 12:54 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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HI folks...

Thought I'd add a long-overdue update to this thread, now that we are three years along. I bought a PX-5S but never really connected with the touch... though it was a perfect fit and easy to handle in the boat. I did have trouble managing sheet music, until I made an elevated stand for it:

http://nomadness.com/how-to/music-stand-px-5s-digital-piano/

But meanwhile, my back was getting worse, and I haven't been sailing at all... so I finally decided to make the move to a big power boat that gives me more space for lab, machine shop, and studio (while placing fewer demands on my creaky bod!). A happy note in this is that there is much more room for the piano, so I'm getting serious about an RD-800, deployed on a 4-bar linkage from fixtures on the wall behind the motorized drafting table I use mostly as a desk (if I have to dig the piano out of storage and hook it up, I'll never play). This will end up stowing in a nest above side windows in the salon, then smoothly lower to the playing position when needed... already cabled to mixer, computer, and power.

I promise to post photos... this should be a hoot.

Cheers!
Steve


Edited by Nomadness (10/11/15 01:27 PM)
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#2469473 - 10/12/15 10:59 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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wow, just wow. serious madness, and I'm jealous!
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#2469517 - 10/13/15 01:46 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Welcome back Nomadness!

I shall look forward to seeing that RD800 stand! wink

Cheers,
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#2475101 - 10/29/15 12:18 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Thanks for the re-welcome and kind words!

Just had a /headdesk moment yesterday... I happened to be in *cough* a nearby town *cough* where there is a music store that's part of that Really Big Chain. So I thought I'd pop in and let my fingers feel an RD-800, just because, well, one probably should before spending that kinda money.

I walked in, and was immediately approached by an eager kid (I'm 63, so that's a relative term). I told him what I was looking for.

"Nope, but we have some great Williams pianos over here!"

He hadn't actually heard of the RD-800 and I had to explain it, but he did kindly offer to order one. *sigh*

(I probably judged too hastily, but did not take any of the inventory for a spin.)

Steve


Edited by Nomadness (10/29/15 12:19 AM)
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#2476998 - 11/03/15 09:00 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Another update to this 3-year-old thread. Despite my post from 3 weeks ago, I've had a change of heart and decided to go ahead and pick up an MP-7. There's apparently no way to see ANY of these contraptions up-close in this corner of the US, so the only way to move forward is to take a chance. With a $700 price difference vs the RD-800, not to mention 2" shorter length and some excellent demos on the Kawai site, I'll just have to overlook the highly appealing Roland screen and overall more inviting UI.

As to touch, sound, overall quality feel, and other essential details that should actually be the major driving factors? I guess I have to take a chance and find out. It would be days of difficult travel to get to a place to try them, apparently... even a dealer of both north of Seattle doesn't actually have any.

Besides, today is 4X eBay bucks... and I have GAS!

I'll post photos of the boat installation as it occurs... details are not yet solid, but basically it will be deployed on a pair of arms that swing down from the starboard salon wall, placing it (already cabled) at an optimum playing position when my motorized desk is at the lowest position. A little sloping rack cabinet will have the mixer and related items, and looks like a pair of KRK Rokit 6 monitors should be adequate in the small studio space (no sub unless absolutely necessary).

Cheers!
Steve


Edited by Nomadness (11/03/15 09:12 PM)
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#2477028 - 11/03/15 11:04 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Congrats Steve!

I shall look forward to seeing your new board 'on-board'. wink

Cheers,
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#2477057 - 11/04/15 01:47 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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The only problem now will be salt-water corrosion . . .

Keep the boat interior dry, eh?
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#2477062 - 11/04/15 02:34 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Charles... indeed. Water corrodes; salt water corrodes absolutely!

There's active humidity management aboard and I'm very fond of conformal coatings and other tricks when building systems, but the first line of defense is to keep the whole region warm and non-condensing... since even a speck of salt is a hygroscopic little bugger that never rests. The MP7 will be stowed in a nest when not in use, thermally isolated from the cabin windows that are nearby. Of course, if I head out on a crossing, one of the items on the pre-flight checklist will be to package it properly and tuck it away (along with the instruments in the electronics lab and a few other bits of gizmology). If we take green water aboard, all bets are off. (Oh, James - that would be OK under warranty, right? <grin>)

I should mention some of the other rationale for this choice, since so many folks here enjoy the X-vs-Y discussions. Huge pluses for the MP7 are comments in this forum over the past year and Kawai's active presence, and I've studied the demos and specs with GAS-induced obsession. I feel confident that this is a good choice, and hope to follow up with enthusiastic postings over the next few weeks. It's always unnerving to buy something sight-unseen (and especially touch-unfelt, where keyboards are concerned), but y'all have provided lots of input from a wide range of perspectives and experience levels... so I'm game.

I might have to start a new thread at some point though. You know what they say: Sailboat -> Trawler -> Motorhome -> Rest Home. I'm going over to the Dark Side, not without a few pangs. There is SO much more room for geek toys... including lab, machine shop, CNC router, music studio, massage chair, ham radio, telemetry, ROV, and a crane-deployed pedal/solar/sail micro-trimaran. This is probably my last hurrah with epic technomadic projects, so I might as well make it a fun one. The piano is a huge presence in the mix.

Cheers,
Steve



Edited by Nomadness (11/04/15 02:38 AM)
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#2477183 - 11/04/15 12:20 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Bon voyage!

We sold our Morgan 36 Out Island -- "Right Galah" -- about a year ago. It's tough when your knees don't work. I think we'll skip the trawler phase, and go straight to motorhome, or rest home.

I'm looking at a Korg Wavedrum this afternoon -- a percussion studio in a very small package. Eminently suitable for a boat.
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#2477388 - 11/05/15 03:29 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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What a cool thing! Just watched the Korg video... love it.

Congrats on the sale... though that old saw about "the two best days in a boat owner's life" is way over-simplified. It took me over a year just to decide to sell Nomadness, and then more than another year to actually do it... including some major yard time. For me it was the back; I started joking about epoxying my dock lines, then realized it wasn't funny.

In piano news, while waiting for the MP7 to wing its way across the US, I'm lining up related goodies... pair of KRK Rokit 6 monitors, rackmount mixer and eq, power conditioning, and other blinky bits that go in the boat's media lab. Packing density is already getting scary.

Fair winds,
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#2478009 - 11/06/15 06:19 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Hi... choose a digital piano is something very personal and subjective, in my case i chose Kawai MP7. Best digital piano under $2500 range period.

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#2478036 - 11/06/15 08:57 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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This is the best thread title/post I've ever seen on a music forum.

And your website is fabulous.

If you ever sail into port in Boston, please drop me a line.
Dinner and drinks on me in exchange for tales of the Technomadic life. wink


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#2478064 - 11/07/15 12:19 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Thank you for the kind words, Dave! I look forward to it... the Great Loop is very much on my bucket list, and although that initial delivery is a bit of a daunting project, I'd love to spend a couple of years plying/playing the coastal and inland waterways. I'd definitely make time to head up to New England, whether to do the long version of the loop or just visit friends in your neighborhood and Down East.

I've been working on the studio suite... it's still a squeeze, but there's more room than there was on the sailboat. The substrate is an electric drafting table that nicely covers the range from seated to standing. It will have a 12U rack cabinet for audio geekery (Middle Atlantic CFR cabinet, about as svelte as possible), an iMac on a swing arm that can let me work from the adjacent massage chair, and some video tools. The monitors will be just outboard of the table in a proper triangle, and I'll just have to hope they'll be OK for general music use when I'm not in the hot seat.

Anyway, I'll do a blog post on the microship site with photos as soon as it's getting real... this will be a fun project.

And to Fer, just above - thanks for the reinforcement on the MP7!

Cheers,
Steve


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#2478112 - 11/07/15 08:28 AM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: StefaanBelgium]
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In my speed read scanning mode I misread the title of this thread.
I am a sail boarder, so my reflex read "Sailboard piano", which didn't seem to make much sense, so I opened it. laugh
There is definitely not enough space on my sailboard, and playing HT would be tough, even when hooked in.


Not just "humidity".

Think "SALT LADEN HIGH HUMIDITY ENVIRONMENT".
It is part of environmental testing setups for a LOT of equipment, but not typically for "musical electronics".
The components on the circuit boards will be OK, the circuit boards themselves probably not, plugs/sockets, etc, e.g. CONNECTORS even worse.


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#2478252 - 11/07/15 02:33 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Yes... we call salt water Aqua Regia sometimes... corrosive humidity is death to electronics. Packaging is a huge part of all this (been doing it for 20 years or more, with lessons from oceanography and industrial control environments). Staying well ahead of it is essential, and sadly, things called "marine electronics" are not necessarily immune once the spray flies in earnest.

Fortunately, we have a few things going for us in this project. First, despite the title of this thread, it's not a sailboat anymore. Second, I've been dealing with on-board electronics long enough to know how to protect it (mostly), and you are exactly right.... connectors are particularly vulnerable, partly because their asperities reduce the actual contact area, and partly because they inevitably represent nearby differing voltages. Add some electrolyte and the fuzzy conductive hydrophilic crud starts to grow... and like rust, it never sleeps.

In some cases, I've done a fair bit of repackaging; in others, simple isolation. One of my projects (a video turret) ran about a half PSI above ambient, pressurized by dessicated air... but it was designed to be outside and wet so was an extreme case. Sometimes vapor-phase corrosion inhibitors are enough to protect for the life of the instrument; other times a carefully applied conformal coating spray helps. All involve trade-offs of thermal barriers, backfiring with connector reliability, and complexity.

In the use case of the piano, I'm treating it as I do laptops and oscilloscopes... trot it out when needed in benign conditions; put it away otherwise. That is generally sufficient, assuming proper gold-plated contacts and adherence to current manufacturing standards (about which I can only assume at the moment, since I haven't seen it yet). Not too worried... though if we start taking waves aboard we have larger problems and all bets are off.

Finally, the comparative luxury of "big boat" also means it's easy to keep studio and lab spaces thermally stable and dehumidified... this is a much easier problem than the Microship (which, by the way, will now be crane-deployed from the upper deck). This is going to be a hoot.... here she is after spending the summer in the water a couple of years ago (without proper bottom paint!):

http://nomadness.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/haulout-emerging-sm.jpg

(PS - I love sailboarding... absolutely the best way to learn to sail! Nothing teaches the relationship between center of effort and center of lateral resistance more effectively...)

Cheers!
Steve
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#2478275 - 11/07/15 03:56 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Hi Nomadness, you are welcome my friend...!

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#2478591 - 11/08/15 09:22 PM Re: Choosing a Sailboat Piano [Re: Nomadness]
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Even the 'Microship' looks awesome! wink
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