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#1972967 - 10/13/12 11:47 PM Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y?
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#1972976 - 10/14/12 12:45 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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I'm jealous.

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#1973029 - 10/14/12 06:08 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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You know I don't like his Bach. To me his Bach is empty compared to Sokolov or Perahia. I originally liked his fingering for Henle's edition of Book one but William Palmer's Masterworks is to me the gold standard for part 1. Richter's part 1 touches me so deeply each and every Prelude and Fugue that Sciffs work is superfluous to this titanic masterpiece.
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#1973079 - 10/14/12 09:36 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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I don't know if I like his Bach the best of anyone's, but I respect what he's put into it. I thought it would be interesting to hear the entire book at a live concert. I'm also going to hear him play WTC II in Maryland the following week.

He just released a new version of the entire WTC on CD, btw.
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#1973119 - 10/14/12 11:13 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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I can't decide if I would like to hear so many Preludes and Fugues in a row. I have never listened to more than a handful together. I do find all the ones I've heard to be masterful, but 24 fugues might be too much for my brain to handle. Kind of like hearing four Scriabin Sonatas on one recital, although I think Garrick Ohlssohn might have done something like that in his all Scriabin recital a few years ago.

What other pianists have played an entire book of the WTC in a single recital? The only one I know for sure is Pollini, but I'd guess quite a few others(Richter, Hewitt, Feinberg,?)have done so.


Edited by pianoloverus (10/14/12 11:20 AM)

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#1973133 - 10/14/12 11:27 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
[...]What other pianists have played an entire book of the WTC in a single recital? The only one I know for sure is Pollini, but I'd guess quite a few others(Richter, Hewitt, Feinberg,?)have done so.


Stores did it.
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#1973134 - 10/14/12 11:34 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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Originally Posted By: Piano Again
I'll be there ...


Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy! What a wonderful opportunity to hear a noteable pianist, who has put his heart and intellect into such an endeavor, share his work in a live performance!

(I think it is funny and sad at the same time how people are so quick sometimes to jump into a celebration thread with cold, wet blanket.)

Let us know how you liked it, Play Again!

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#1973135 - 10/14/12 11:35 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Kind of like hearing four Scriabin Sonatas on one recital, although I think Garrick Ohlssohn might have done something like that in his all Scriabin recital a few years ago.

Actually, I'd hardly mind having four or so of them thrown together in a recital. Makes me think of Matti Raekallio who performed the complete sonatas - in ONE DAY...Even Feinberg needed to split it up into two recitals with a few days inbetween to do the complete sonatas, hehe. Saw Sokolov doing an all-scriabin 2nd half of a concert some years ago, including 3 sonatas and shorter pieces (which included Vers la flamme, which is sort of his 11th sonata anyway). It was quite something to see the development from the op. 9 pieces and the 3rd sonata up until Vers la flamme, in a single recital.

As for WTC-pianists, yes, Hewitt was touring with only WTC for quite a while - one book at a time, I would assume. I wonder about Edwin Fischer also - did he ever play them as a whole in concerts..?

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#1973137 - 10/14/12 11:37 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
I can't decide if I would like to hear so many Preludes and Fugues in a row.


I can decide - and the answer is definitely no!

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#1973205 - 10/14/12 02:25 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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I'm not totally sold on his Bach either, but I'm certainly going when he plays WTCII in Seattle tomorrow. How often does anyone get an opportunity to see something like that live???
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#1973217 - 10/14/12 03:40 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
[...]What other pianists have played an entire book of the WTC in a single recital? The only one I know for sure is Pollini, but I'd guess quite a few others(Richter, Hewitt, Feinberg,?)have done so.


Stores did it.


Walgreens, Target, Sears?
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#1973218 - 10/14/12 03:48 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: pianoloverus]
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[quote=pianoloverus] Kind of like hearing four Scriabin Sonatas on one recital [quote]

or the entire chopin mazurkas........... crazy

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#1973219 - 10/14/12 03:49 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Kind of like hearing four Scriabin Sonatas on one recital


or the entire chopin mazurkas........... crazy

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#1973223 - 10/14/12 04:07 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Kind of like hearing four Scriabin Sonatas on one recital


or the entire chopin mazurkas........... crazy
Not quite a bad IMO and I have listened to at least half of them in a row. I think the problem with the WTC as a whole is that fugue after fugue can be difficult.


Edited by pianoloverus (10/14/12 07:48 PM)

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#1973278 - 10/14/12 06:58 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
I think the problem with the WTC as a whole is that fugue and fugue can be difficult.
That's why you have the preludes.
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#1973413 - 10/15/12 01:58 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
I can't decide if I would like to hear so many Preludes and Fugues in a row. I have never listened to more than a handful together. I do find all the ones I've heard to be masterful, but 24 fugues might be too much for my brain to handle. Kind of like hearing four Scriabin Sonatas on one recital, although I think Garrick Ohlssohn might have done something like that in his all Scriabin recital a few years ago.


I've sat down and listened to an entire book of the WTC once or twice. After a while, if it's a good performance, I shut off mentally and just enjoy it, which is nice. Edwin Fischer's is my favorite.

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#1973418 - 10/15/12 02:24 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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When I have a major academic project to do, I'll usually make a very serious playlist of large works to help me focus. Often it'll be Bach and Beethoven. I've certainly listened through both WTC books or all of the French and English Suites in one of those sittings numerous times, but I've never made it all the way through the Beethoven Sonatas. Around about the Leichte Sonatas, my mind starts going numb.

Nothing to do with Beethoven, just the comparative lengths sleep
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#1973566 - 10/15/12 12:20 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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I'm going to see Book I Wednesday and then Book II on the 24th at Disney Concert Hall in LA.

For recitals, they don't sell tickets in the balcony so we've had to buy better seats. Which is good because on Wednesday we're practically sitting next to him. But it's expensive.

There does not seem to be a pre-show lecture, which was the main reason I bought these tickets so many months ago.
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#1973856 - 10/15/12 11:21 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: MarkH]
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How often does anyone get an opportunity to see something like that live???


Every few years, it seems like to me. And as if the touring professionals inflicting it on us weren't enough, we also had a local music school do it using a bunch of their faculty in rotation. At least there was some variety of personality and approach to mitigate the tedium.

Don't get me wrong - I love the WTC, but as concert music, I think a little of it goes a long way, and frankly, a good deal of it is more enjoyable and interesting to play than to listen to, IMO. I have this idea that Bach would be horrified at the idea of whole concerts made up of nothing but.

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#1974436 - 10/17/12 08:14 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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I LOVE Book I. It was my transition to really loving Bach's music. I wish I could go, but it's relatively far away (I'm in DC) and expensive. I really wish I could have seen Angela Hewitt perform Books I & II.

I do have a ticket to see him perform Book II in DC. For the Well Tempered Clavier, I generally prefer Angela Hewitt's version. IMVHO Schiff plays with German seriousness and heaviness, while Hewitt plays with French and Italian lightness, elegance, and joy, clearly bringing out the dance-like character of many of the pieces.

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#1974446 - 10/17/12 08:35 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
I can't decide if I would like to hear so many Preludes and Fugues in a row.


I saw Roger Woodward play WTC I live last year and while I enjoyed the first while, I was bored almost to tears by the end. Too many for me!


Edited by pianojosh23 (10/17/12 08:36 AM)

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#1974457 - 10/17/12 09:09 AM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: BWV 846]
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Originally Posted By: BWV 846
I LOVE Book I. It was my transition to really loving Bach's music. I wish I could go, but it's relatively far away (I'm in DC) and expensive. I really wish I could have seen Angela Hewitt perform Books I & II.

I do have a ticket to see him perform Book II in DC. For the Well Tempered Clavier, I generally prefer Angela Hewitt's version. IMVHO Schiff plays with German seriousness and heaviness, while Hewitt plays with French and Italian lightness, elegance, and joy, clearly bringing out the dance-like character of many of the pieces.


Maybe I'll see you there! We need a secret PW hand signal or something.

I rather prefer Hewitt's version, too, though I wonder if it's partly because her Fazioli has a cleaner sound than the piano on Schiff's recording(s). She also uses pedal, and he doesn't, which hampers him sometimes, I think.
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#1975155 - 10/18/12 12:19 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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Originally Posted By: Piano Again
I'll be there ...

Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy! What a wonderful opportunity to hear a noteable pianist, who has put his heart and intellect into such an endeavor, share his work in a live performance!

...

Let us know how you liked it, Play Again!


Last night at Disney Concert Hall, it was great. The acoustics are wonderful and we were sitting on the keyboard side of the hall.

Why people think there would be too many fugues is beyond me.

The preludes were delightful little pearls cast between the magnificent structures of those fugues.

At the final chord of the final fugue he lingered and let it die out slowly, and the crowd was quiet until it faded away totally. Then the standing O.

A quiet crowd, too, although one poor woman sounded like she choked on a chicken bone after the intermission.


Edited by Plowboy (10/18/12 12:19 PM)
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#1976853 - 10/21/12 07:30 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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MarkH, what did you think? A number of friends went on Monday, and I got a wide range of reviews from "dry" to incredible. I love Schiff's lectures on the various Beethoven sonatas that are available. My sense is that he approaches the music in an intellectual fashion.

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#1977071 - 10/22/12 12:03 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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Originally Posted By: Piano Again
Originally Posted By: BWV 846
I do have a ticket to see him perform Book II in DC. For the Well Tempered Clavier, I generally prefer Angela Hewitt's version. IMVHO Schiff plays with German seriousness and heaviness, while Hewitt plays with French and Italian lightness, elegance, and joy, clearly bringing out the dance-like character of many of the pieces.


Maybe I'll see you there! We need a secret PW hand signal or something.



Wife and I will be there too. I'm not sure how well throwing up gang signs will go over at Strathmore, though. shocked If anyone's interested we could organize a spot to meet during intermission or something like that. (I do not have access to the "admirals' club" or whatever that lounge for big donors is called.)
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#1979845 - 10/28/12 09:21 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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Just back from New York. The Schiff recital was great! Somehow being in a concert hall while someone is playing those pieces, and playing them that well, is different from listening to a recording. The place was packed, and the audience attentive and enthusiastic. For an encore, he played the C major prelude and fugue from Book 2.

I hope the performance Tuesday goes on as scheduled, what with the dire weather reports and all.
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#1980188 - 10/29/12 05:28 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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Today I received email and a phone call (!) from the Washington Performing Arts Society noting Schiff's performance for tomorrow has been cancelled. Schiff is currently in NYC, with no easy way to get here due to just about everything being shut down. No details are available about rescheduling yet, but they said they'd announce something as soon as they could.

Hope that all who are in Sandy's path remain safe.
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#1980202 - 10/29/12 06:00 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Kind of like hearing four Scriabin Sonatas on one recital, although I think Garrick Ohlssohn might have done something like that in his all Scriabin recital a few years ago.


Jonathan Powell played all 10 in one concert. Quite impressive.


Edited by ScriabinAddict (10/29/12 08:33 PM)

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#1980225 - 10/29/12 06:52 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: jmcintyre]
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Originally Posted By: jmcintyre
Today I received email and a phone call (!) from the Washington Performing Arts Society noting Schiff's performance for tomorrow has been cancelled. Schiff is currently in NYC, with no easy way to get here due to just about everything being shut down. No details are available about rescheduling yet, but they said they'd announce something as soon as they could.

Hope that all who are in Sandy's path remain safe.


You must be a WPA member. smile I got two emails but no phone call.
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#1980694 - 10/30/12 08:26 PM Re: Anyone going to hear Schiff play WTC I at the 92nd Street Y? [Re: Piano Again]
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You must be a WPA member. smile I got two emails but no phone call.


We joined earlier this year. It paid off - and then some - in discounts on tickets for Yefim Bronfman and Jonathan Biss.
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