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#1984280 - 11/08/12 05:54 PM Thumb over techniques?
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So as I was reading some stuff on piano practice, I came across a section talking about thumb over practices and how it's a much faster, more accurate technique. So when playing a scale in the RH, instead of bring the thumb under between 3 and 1 you put it over the fingers and fall on top of the key.

I had never even heard of doing that before, and when I tried it certainly felt significantly more awkward and clunky. That could just be because I've never done it before. Who has experience with this and how useful/important is it for me to practice? It just seems strange to me.


Edited by TrueMusic (11/08/12 06:02 PM)
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#1984288 - 11/08/12 06:17 PM Re: Thumb over techniques? [Re: TrueMusic]
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Who wrote the book??
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#1984291 - 11/08/12 06:20 PM Re: Thumb over techniques? [Re: TrueMusic]
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I think "thumb over" is a misnomer. You are really just keeping your thumb from twisting under and relying more on your arm to position the thumb. I think most people do this naturally as the requirement for speed increases.
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#1984292 - 11/08/12 06:22 PM Re: Thumb over techniques? [Re: TrueMusic]
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I would never consciously lift my thumb up higher than the other fingers. I do, however, use a smooth sideways motion of the arm so that the thumb doesn't need to contort, and I find it makes a huge difference in legato playing.

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#1984300 - 11/08/12 06:32 PM Re: Thumb over techniques? [Re: TrueMusic]
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I think, as I did a little more research, the thumb over really means simply move hand over instead of throwing the thumb over your fingers. The fellows description of it was rather poor. Also, here is where I got this from:
http://www.pianofundamentals.com/book/en/1.III.5.1
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New:
Chopin op. 23
Bach WTC book 2 no. 20

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#1984308 - 11/08/12 06:44 PM Re: Thumb over techniques? [Re: TrueMusic]
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Yes; it's move the hand so that the "thumb [is] over" the key to be played as opposed to the movement of the "thumb under" the palm before the hand moves.

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#1984498 - 11/09/12 06:09 AM Re: Thumb over techniques? [Re: TrueMusic]
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I was totally unaware that there are some pianists who only ever play TO ('thumb over') until I read Charles Rosen's Piano Notes. I'd been taught to play TU but when playing fast it turns into TO without me being aware of it.

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#1984501 - 11/09/12 06:22 AM Re: Thumb over techniques? [Re: TrueMusic]
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'Thumb over' is such a horrible misrepresentation of a name for this technique.
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#1984507 - 11/09/12 06:29 AM Re: Thumb over techniques? [Re: TrueMusic]
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Try to find a video where you can see the hands of Tatiana Nickolayevna (there are plenty) and marvel at the efficiency with which she applies "thumb over" technique.

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