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#1071427 - 09/19/08 01:06 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Welcome, Johndyoung. That's some super progress you made in a week, even considering your prior experience. It looks like you will be ready for book 2 in no time.

Congratulations on your "graduation" from Book 1, TTigg. That's awesome! Good luck with Forest Gump and with Book 2.

Marrzipan, the way you explained how you learned Blow the Man Down is interesting. I guess I came up with my own way of doing exactly the same thing. I photocopied the page, and then on the photocopy, I drew a line down both staves between each beat. That way I could see easily which note/notes I needed to play with which hand/hands one beat at a time. After a couple of days of that, I could play it slowly from the original music without too much trouble.
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#1071428 - 09/19/08 07:43 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Johndyoung, let met get this straight: you had a year or two of lessons as a kid, have played by ear all your life, played the trumpet all through school and played the bass guitar. You decided that “it is time I learn right” and so started out with Alfred’s book one. YOU’RE ME! \:D Only I’m about ten years younger and am not a pilot (but I have soloed in a Cessna 152). I started re-learning in January of this year.

Welcome to the forum!

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#1071429 - 09/19/08 11:22 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Undone, glad to hear I am not the only one doing this. I have really enjoyed playing the pieces in the book. My wife told me the other day that the songs I play by ear sound better. I told her I know, but I have to learn fingering and how to sight read so I am going to learn all of these songs as written, with correct fingering. I am hoping that after a period of time and becoming proficient in playing the piano correctly, with proper fingering, that I will be able to carry that over to my playing by ear. I ordered all the supplemental books and I am hoping they will arrive today. When they do, I am basically going to start over in the main book and do the supplemental stuff as I progress through the book again.

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#1071430 - 09/19/08 12:50 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
Well I've just finished book 1!

I do have some "polishing" to do on Amazing Grace but my teacher was happy with my progress on the last 3 songs inc Entertainer (easier version of course). I am going to have to get a nice frame for my 1st Piano Certificate!

Now we'll take a 2wk break as we focus on the Forest Gump sheet music since I want to get a heads up on learning that piece.

Then straight into Book #2 so I'll see some of you over on the other thread. Thanks to all for your help and again to Pianonoobalex[/b] for his excellent Videos (looking forward to checking out the book 2 ones)

Keep at it and enjoy yourself, I know I am [/b]
Congrats!

Love your signature... \:\)

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#1071431 - 09/19/08 05:23 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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#1071432 - 09/19/08 05:29 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Originally posted by mom3gram:
Congratulations on your "graduation" from Book 1, TTigg. That's awesome! Good luck with Forest Gump and with Book 2. [/b]
Thanks! Very much looking forward to getting into book #2. I’m hoping I can be 80% done by Xmas when I am hopefully going back to the UK for my holidays

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Originally posted by Mark...:
Congrats!
Love your signature... \:\) [/b]
Thanks \:\)
I wanted to kind of mix up the Seinfeld with me being "out there" finally enjoying the piano. I guess it's too late for MOYD 08?
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#1071433 - 09/21/08 12:54 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
Well I've just finished book 1!

I do have some "polishing" to do on Amazing Grace but my teacher was happy with my progress on the last 3 songs inc Entertainer (easier version of course). I am going to have to get a nice frame for my 1st Piano Certificate!

Now we'll take a 2wk break as we focus on the Forest Gump sheet music since I want to get a heads up on learning that piece.

Then straight into Book #2 so I'll see some of you over on the other thread. Thanks to all for your help and again to Pianonoobalex[/b] for his excellent Videos (looking forward to checking out the book 2 ones)

Keep at it and enjoy yourself, I know I am [/b]
Fabulous! Congrats!
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#1071434 - 09/21/08 01:54 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Originally posted by Key Notes:
Fabulous! Congrats! [/b]
Thanks - I've already surprised myself and am having just WAY too much fun \:D
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#1071435 - 09/21/08 02:01 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Key Notes:
Fabulous! Congrats! [/b]
Thanks - I've already surprised myself and am having just WAY too much fun \:D [/b]
There's no such thing.
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#1071436 - 09/21/08 05:41 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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I am wondering how long people spend doing book 1? Would some of you tell me what time you took?

I am still waiting for the supplemental books to arrive. I bought all of them mentioned in Book 1 except for the duet book, because I don't have anyone to play duets with. My plan is to start over when I get those books and do the work in those books as it relates to the main book, Book1.

I have hit a wall with the songs in G. The Marine Hymn especially has been difficult for me. It looks so simple but it has been hard for me. I found myself practicing my right hand fingering while driving in the car. It seemed to help but I need more practice on it.

I will appreciate any and all comments and suggestions.

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#1071437 - 09/21/08 08:38 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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In answer to your question, John, I started in January. I'm pretty slow, so I'm only on "Joy to the World", which I think is about 3/4 of the way through Book 1. But I also work from the Faber all in one and a couple of Bastien books. I will probably be ordering some of the supplemental books soon myself. Let me know which ones you like best.
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#1071438 - 09/22/08 06:20 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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I spent nine months on book 1.

I'm getting into book 2 (all-in-one) now.

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#1071439 - 09/22/08 01:20 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by johndyoung:
I am wondering how long people spend doing book 1? Would some of you tell me what time you took?

I am still waiting for the supplemental books to arrive. I bought all of them mentioned in Book 1 except for the duet book, because I don't have anyone to play duets with. My plan is to start over when I get those books and do the work in those books as it relates to the main book, Book1.

I have hit a wall with the songs in G. The Marine Hymn especially has been difficult for me. It looks so simple but it has been hard for me. I found myself practicing my right hand fingering while driving in the car. It seemed to help but I need more practice on it.

I will appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. [/b]
Stick with it John that's for sure. I've been working with a teacher once a week (30m) and it took me just over 2.5mths to finish book 1. I had only the book 1 & theory to book 1. I've got book 2 & theory lined up also but we're taking a 2wk break before hitting that. I know that #2 is harder so I'm guessing this may take 3-5mths to complete (we'll see).

Since I am still myself a noob at this the only advice I can offer is to start slow and work up from there. I would start by practicing the melody (LH) first, then the chords (RH) and when it came time very slowly together. Once I'd gone through that several times it was easier to put them together.

I'd highly recommend bookmarking Pianonoob Alex's site as he has all the videos to the songs in the books done and they were an excellent help since you can see how it's supposed to sound and then work on your own practice.

His videos are here http://www.youtube.com/user/PianoNoobAlexMan

Enjoy and wait till you reach the latter part of the book, Mexican Hat Dance, Entertainer - so much fun and you you can do it[/b]
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#1071440 - 09/22/08 01:24 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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I started in December but am only 3/4 thru at most.
I ended up not doing anything with it for 2 months and then tried again. Got nowhere. I did review a lot of the songs in the book but forgot how to read the bass clef. (not that I did well with it to begin with so I just wrote in the pitches.)
I think that is far as I am gonna get however. I started this stuff way to late for me to actually learn anything other than I can t do it. I have extreme dyslexia and if I had started this when I was real young I may have learned something.
So at this point I have pretty much given up. I may try again in November.

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#1071441 - 09/22/08 05:20 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by 1silkyferret:
I started in December but am only 3/4 thru at most.
I ended up not doing anything with it for 2 months and then tried again. Got nowhere. I did review a lot of the songs in the book but forgot how to read the bass clef. (not that I did well with it to begin with so I just wrote in the pitches.)
I think that is far as I am gonna get however. I started this stuff way to late for me to actually learn anything other than I can t do it. I have extreme dyslexia and if I had started this when I was real young I may have learned something.
So at this point I have pretty much given up. I may try again in November. [/b]
If you managed to get 3/4 way through 1st time around then you can do it[/b] I myself have dyslexia although thankfully not extreme so I can sympathize with you to a certain degree.

I'm still saying the rhymes in my head for both staffs
Bass Cleff
[A]ll [C]ows [E]at [G]rass &
[G]ood oys [D]o ine [A]lways

Treble Cleff
[A] [C] [E]
[E]very [G]ood oy [D]oes ine

I know in time I'll train my brain to say the notes to me as I sight read but practice really does make perfect for sure.

Of course I wish I'd have scratched this itch of mine and taken up Piano when I turned 30 or before but I didn't. What I do know is that when I am 40, 45 and onwards I am not going to sit there and say

"I wish I'd have done it sooner and I should start"

by then I'll already be playing ALL my favorites.

Wishing you the best and hoping you don't give it all up..

SC
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#1071442 - 09/22/08 07:58 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by TTigg:

I'm still saying the rhymes in my head for both staffs
Bass Cleff
[A]ll [C]ows [E]at [G]rass &
[G]ood oys [D]o ine [A]lways

Treble Cleff
[A] [C] [E]
[E]very [G]ood oy [D]oes ine

I know in time I'll train my brain to say the notes to me as I sight read but practice really does make perfect for sure.

SC [/b]
Here's my advice regarding note reading. Don't just focus on that one note you are trying to read. For instance, say the note you're looking at is the "C" in FACE in the treble clef. That "C" is on a space. The "C" above and below that one will be on lines. I suggest that when you have to read one note, make yourself find where all of that same note are located on both staves (as well as imagine where they would be with ledger lines if you can) since this makes it easier to find those other notes in the future.
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#1071443 - 09/22/08 08:33 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyB:

Here's my advice regarding note reading. Don't just focus on that one note you are trying to read. For instance, say the note you're looking at is the "C" in FACE in the treble clef. That "C" is on a space. The "C" above and below that one will be on lines. I suggest that when you have to read one note, make yourself find where all of that same note are located on both staves (as well as imagine where they would be with ledger lines if you can) since this makes it easier to find those other notes in the future. [/b]
Thanks for the tip, I shall give that a go..
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#1071444 - 09/23/08 02:20 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Hello all,

I've spent the last few days reading all about your wild rides through Alfred book 1 (yep, all 53 pages) and thought it was time to chime in. I recently started playing again after a 30+ year absence. I have a different version of Alfred's (not AIO, not Basic...it says "Teach Yourself To Play Piano"). It's about 100 pages and has about 70% of the same songs by my estimation, with some theory and an appendix with fingering exercises.

Reading all 53 pages of posts over a few days was interesting - You all were progressing right in front of my eyes, and it's really added to my own enthusiasm. Mark did a great job starting this and moving it along (and got past some initial insecurites to be in book 3!). Key Notes, mom3gram and AWTPP provide lots of inspiration. 1silkyferret's posts were my favorites -- whether talking about her paws, knuckles or huzzzah!, I always got a chuckle. Not knowing what a Carillon was, I puzzled over a lot of her posts. Why didn't she get a rig with headphones? Well I googled it today and understand now. :rolleyes:

Anyways, I'm kind of all over the map on my special Alfred's book 1, also have Faber 1 and several other 'stretch' pieces I'm using for a break. I need to find more focus, as I've gone deep into the book but haven't come close to perfecting many.

I had a few questions...

- Even though I'd love to pick up Alfred I AIO for some of the songs I'm missing (Greensleeves, Scarborough Fair, Raisins & Almonds and darn it, Blow the Man Down), is it a waste of money? My book covers all the basic theory and the key of C major & G major plus their 3 primary chords. Does book 1 AIO go beyond that?

- AWTPP or any of the Einaudi fanatics -- is there a book you can recommend with some beginner pieces? I was not familiar with Einaudi but I love "Limbo" and would love to be able to play it. I would love to get an acoustic with the rich sound of AWTPPs as well, maybe someday.

- What's a "swung" eighth note?

Sorry for the long first post \:\)

Dave

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#1071445 - 09/23/08 02:48 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by drm13:
Hello all,

I've spent the last few days reading all about your wild rides through Alfred book 1 (yep, all 53 pages) and thought it was time to chime in. I recently started playing again after a 30+ year absence. I have a different version of Alfred's (not AIO, not Basic...it says "Teach Yourself To Play Piano"). It's about 100 pages and has about 70% of the same songs by my estimation, with some theory and an appendix with fingering exercises.

Reading all 53 pages of posts over a few days was interesting - You all were progressing right in front of my eyes, and it's really added to my own enthusiasm. Mark did a great job starting this and moving it along (and got past some initial insecurites to be in book 3!). Key Notes, mom3gram and AWTPP provide lots of inspiration. 1silkyferret's posts were my favorites -- whether talking about her paws, knuckles or huzzzah!, I always got a chuckle. Not knowing what a Carillon was, I puzzled over a lot of her posts. Why didn't she get a rig with headphones? Well I googled it today and understand now. :rolleyes:

Anyways, I'm kind of all over the map on my special Alfred's book 1, also have Faber 1 and several other 'stretch' pieces I'm using for a break. I need to find more focus, as I've gone deep into the book but haven't come close to perfecting many.

I had a few questions...

- Even though I'd love to pick up Alfred I AIO for some of the songs I'm missing (Greensleeves, Scarborough Fair, Raisins & Almonds and darn it, Blow the Man Down), is it a waste of money? My book covers all the basic theory and the key of C major & G major plus their 3 primary chords. Does book 1 AIO go beyond that?

- AWTPP or any of the Einaudi fanatics -- is there a book you can recommend with some beginner pieces? I was not familiar with Einaudi but I love "Limbo" and would love to be able to play it. I would love to get an acoustic with the rich sound of AWTPPs as well, maybe someday.

- What's a "swung" eighth note?

Sorry for the long first post \:\)

Dave [/b]
Welcome! I'll have to say that it is not likely worth it to buy another book for just those few songs.

As far as the Einaudi book goes, take a look for the "Best Of" book at Amazon.com. Just search up "Einaudi Best Of" and you should find it. The book is a steal in my opinion at under $25. Sure, you might only play a few songs worth at first but you'll have a lot to choose from later on.

I'll let some other folks chime in on any other questions since my lunch is ready. \:\)
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#1071446 - 09/23/08 03:14 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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 Quote:
Originally posted by drm13:



I had a few questions...

- AWTPP or any of the Einaudi fanatics -- is there a book you can recommend with some beginner pieces? I was not familiar with Einaudi but I love "Limbo" and would love to be able to play it. I would love to get an acoustic with the rich sound of AWTPPs as well, maybe someday.

- What's a "swung" eighth note?

Sorry for the long first post \:\)

Dave [/b]
Welcome, Dave. I thought I should have been awarded a gold star for reading the first 18 pages of the Einaudi thread. Your achievement crushes mine.

First, as to swinging the 8th notes... what I meant by that was to play them unevenly. Instead of 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and... (with each number and "and" counted at even intervals), swinging the 8ths would more like "long short long short..." Imagine, then, that instead of regular 8th notes, we're talking a dotted 8th, followed by a 16th, over and over again. Does that make sense?

As to Einaudi, AnthonyB is the one who converted me, along with encouragement from some of the more seasoned players in the Einaudi thread. AFAIK, there is no beginner book. Simply take the book Anthony recommended, and start from page one. The pieces are apparently organized, generally, in order of difficulty. This doesn't hold true, in my opinion for every piece. I would say about 75% of the book is beyond my capability, but the remaining 25% is a lot of fun, and I get some real satisfaction / sense of accomplishment when I am able to complete a piece. Limbo is a great place to start, but we can give you other recommendations, too.

My update... we're in our new house, but our old piano didn't make the move. There's simply no place for it, and the costs of repairing the cracked soundboard aren't justifiable anyway. So we've been without a piano for a month or so. Perhaps a new digital is in our future. If so, I'll get back to it, and maybe I'll even finish Amazing Grace.
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#1071447 - 09/23/08 05:01 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Thanks AnthonyB and AWTPP. I'll check out the "Best Of" book.

I think I've got it on the swinging 8ths. I had never heard that before. But I think I swing my 8ths. Or hang them...I'm so happy to get the tempo right on the first one I hold the second one like a whole note.

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#1071448 - 09/23/08 09:46 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Welcome, Dave, it's good to know there are new people coming into this thread. I also started the monumental taks of reading through this entire thread a few weeks ago, but you beat me to it. I think I'm on page 46 now. It's a little sad that most of the people who have contributed so much to this thread have now moved on to books 2 and 3. So it does seem a little lonely here at times.

As to your question about swinging 8ths: I guess there might be several ways to "swing", but the one normally used in swing and blues and popular music is to think in triplets, ie think of each quarter beat as consisting of 3 notes of equal length. Try playing 3 notes to a quarter beat, say 1-2-3, 1-2-3. Then leave out the second note of every triplet, playing only the first and last nothe, and you get swinging 8ths as a result. Btw, I learned this stuff from guitar books and videos.

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#1071449 - 09/23/08 10:11 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Here's an update on my progress. I've slowed down quite a bit in recent days, not in terms of daily practice which remains consistent, but rather in pages turned. I'm now on (I think) page 95 in my book. I've learned Cafe Vienna and Lullaby. I found Lullaby a little more difficult at first, so I didn't feel like moving on to the next song, but I will do so today, I guess. I've also gone back and reviewed some of the preceding songs, like Blow the Man down and When the Saints. I'm getting pretty good at those songs and beginning to feel more and more like I actually know how to play the piano. \:\)

My piano teacher neighbour came over again a few times and I noticed again what a difference it makes when someone with expertise plays a piece as compared to a beginner like me. I mean, a lot of the nuances and technique tricks you just can't figure out by yourself reading a book. You have to see someone demonstrate it right before you. Again, an eye-opening experience. A lot of the songs in Alfred appear simplistic and sometimes even boring. But with the right technique and musical expression (gained from consistent learning), they can really come to life. I'm not sure if others had similar experiences. My piano teacher (she is not actually teaching me on a regular basis, but provides me with ideas and tips & tricks every now and then) also asks me occasionally to go over and watch how her students are doing during her classes. And it's quite motivating seeing those little kids playing pieces that for now are beyond me.

In the meantime I've purchased two other piano books based on reviews on Amazon.com, one is called "How to play popular piano in 10 easy lessons" and the other is the Piano Handbook by Humphries. So far, both look very promising. The Piano Handbook contains a CD with exercises and pieces played by the author himself and all the tracks sounds just wonderful. That's exactly how I want to sound like one day. However, I can see that it is probably more a reference book rather than a piano course, because it gets to difficult pieces very fast and tries to teach a variety of styles to a high level, it seems. Anyway, my plan is still to get through Alfred's Book 1 as fast as possible and then decide whether to continue with Book 2 (looks quite likely) or just rely on other instruction material and sheet music. I hope everyone else here is also having a great piano journey.

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#1071450 - 09/26/08 08:24 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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I started in February with a teacher and I'm doing the first Blues melody in Alfred 1 (just after Joy to the World). We've taken a few detours along the way with a piece of sheet music (Minka) that I brought home from SummerKeys. We've also been experimenting a bit with the "Improvising Blues Piano" book.

Overall it's been fun and I feel that I'm progressing nicely. My teacher confirms this as do folks who hear me play (mostly family, some family friends). So I continue the quest and so far do not seem to have lost the motivation. I'm still playing at least an hour daily, 2 to 3 per day on weekends.

Sometimes a new piece will get me down because I just don't like it or because it presents a challenge in technique, e.g., "Blow the man Down." But when I finally get it it's a great feeling.

The most challenging piece so far has been "Minka", a Russian folk song in D minor that Bruce Potterton at SummerKeys challenged me with. My teacher here told me it was beyond my current level but eventually she agreed to spend some time on it because she liked it also and because it provided a segue to learning a new scale and to thinking about "harmonic" minor scales. That fit in nicely with another book I'm going through, the "Everything Music Theory" book by Schonbrun. Now I've got Minka under my belt and we're back in Alfred, mostly.
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#1071451 - 09/26/08 01:44 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Originally posted by drm13:
Hello all,
Reading all 53 pages of posts over a few days was interesting - You all were progressing right in front of my eyes, and it's really added to my own enthusiasm. Mark did a great job starting this and moving it along (and got past some initial insecurites to be in book 3!). Key Notes, mom3gram and AWTPP provide lots of inspiration. 1silkyferret's posts were my favorites -- whether talking about her paws, knuckles or huzzzah!, I always got a chuckle. Not knowing what a Carillon was, I puzzled over a lot of her posts. Why didn't she get a rig with headphones? Well I googled it today and understand now. :rolleyes:


Hello all,

I only check on this board about 2ce a week now. Anyway between bust my tail doing jewelry for my biggest show of the year,2 times a week cariillon practice and my once a week lesson my wrists and hands HURT!!!I figure if I can make it thru this season, (only 3 more weeks to go)I can go back to the piano keyboard. My hands can only take so much now. (this really really sucks,I have this great practice keyboard only 4 miles from where I am staying,and my right hand was hurting big time while I was doing technical stuff) A lot of jewery makers get carpal tunnel and I have good tools. I will be getting wrist braces again for nights.

anyways I figure I will be busting tail in alfreds again in a month or so.

Anyways, I'm kind of all over the map on my special Alfred's book 1, also have Faber 1 and several other 'stretch' pieces I'm using for a break. I need to find more focus, as I've gone deep into the book but haven't come close to perfecting many.

I had a few questions...

- Even though I'd love to pick up Alfred I AIO for some of the songs I'm missing (Greensleeves, Scarborough Fair, Raisins & Almonds and darn it, Blow the Man Down), is it a waste of money? My book covers all the basic theory and the key of C major & G major plus their 3 primary chords. Does book 1 AIO go beyond that?

- AWTPP or any of the Einaudi fanatics -- is there a book you can recommend with some beginner pieces? I was not familiar with Einaudi but I love "Limbo" and would love to be able to play it. I would love to get an acoustic with the rich sound of AWTPPs as well, maybe someday.

- What's a "swung" eighth note?

Here is a funny one for you. In Standing in the Need there are a lot of 8th notes. I have nver heard the piece played with straight 8ths. If you ever hear the piece played the 8ths are not even. My piano teacher went crazy trying to get me to play the darn things even.
I have a hard time playing straight 8ths but have gotten better in the lat 4 months on it. I have been given to understand that most players have a harder time with the uneven patterns Western baroque music has a lot of staight 8tths. Most carillon stuff is not written as "soul or jazz music so I have to learn to play straight western stuff. (not my ren fest or mid eastern stuff.)
currently working on a duet by mozart,a german folk tune and lots of 2 notes played at the same time technical exercises....

Sorry for the long first post \:\)


Dave [/b]
thanks Dave, Glad my post amused you. Its a dirty job but someone has gotta do it! :p

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#1071452 - 09/26/08 03:36 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 334
Loc: Maryland
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Originally posted by drm13:
...Here is a funny one for you. In Standing in the Need there are a lot of 8th notes. I have nver heard the piece played with straight 8ths. If you ever hear the piece played the 8ths are not even. My piano teacher went crazy trying to get me to play the darn things even.
I have a hard time playing straight 8ths but have gotten better in the lat 4 months on it... [/b]
My teacher never let me play the eighths evenly in "Standing in the Need of Prayer." Right from the start she had me playing "long-short" and I can't imagine them played any other way. Love that song.
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#1071453 - 09/26/08 03:43 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Registered: 08/30/08
Posts: 4750
Loc: South Florida
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Originally posted by TTigg:
I'm still saying the rhymes in my head for both staffs
Bass Cleff
[A]ll [C]ows [E]at [G]rass &
[G]ood oys [D]o ine [A]lways

Treble Cleff
[A] [C] [E]
[E]very [G]ood oy [D]oes ine
It's probably too late, but:

(G)reat (B)ig (D)ogs (F)ight (A)nimals is a better choice for the bass clef lines. The reason is that with the rhyme you chose, the bottom line G (bass clef) and second line G (treble clef) use the same key word. The same problem is true of Boy and Fine. These also refer to different lines.

If these work for you, by all means use them, but there is a reason why different words are chosen.
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#1071454 - 09/26/08 03:45 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Originally posted by rodmichael:
My teacher never let me play the eighths evenly in "Standing in the Need of Prayer." Right from the start she had me playing "long-short" and I can't imagine them played any other way. Love that song. [/QUOTE]
The problem is "swing". Some students just pick it up very easily, but others have problems with it. One solution is to count even 8ths now, then return to review it later, using long-short. It depends on the student.
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#1071455 - 09/26/08 07:33 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Registered: 11/30/07
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Loc: Southern California
 Quote:
Originally posted by Gary D.:
It's probably too late, but:

(G)reat (B)ig (D)ogs (F)ight (A)nimals is a better choice for the bass clef lines. The reason is that with the rhyme you chose, the bottom line G (bass clef) and second line G (treble clef) use the same key word. The same problem is true of Boy and Fine. These also refer to different lines.

If these work for you, by all means use them, but there is a reason why different words are chosen. [/b]
Never say never, I like the idea of that Gary, thanks for the tip. I'll program those into my head..
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#1071456 - 09/30/08 12:11 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1
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Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 744
Loc: CA
Greetings everyone and a big warm welcome to all of our new Alfred book 1 friends. Glad to hear that eveyone is doing well and are progressing wonderfully.

drm13, Wow, impressive! 53 pages. You certainly would know all about our days in the lives of us Alfred's book 1 club members.

1silkyferret, You can't possibly quit completely, November is right around the corner. I hope that you'll start up again.

AWTPP, Congratulations on your new house. That's fabulous but now that you've started on this wonderful adventure, it wouldn't be a home without a piano. I hope you'll find one soon.

Rodmichael, Congratulations on getting "Minka" and "Blow the Man Down" under your fingers. It certainly is a wonderful feeling of achievement when we finally conquer a challenging piece indeed.

I'm currently working on "Why Am I Blue?" on page 116, and learning Syncopated Notes. Very interesting bluezy sounding song. And as usual, simultaneously working on polishing some of the previous few songs, revisiting some of my favorites as well as practicing my scales and Hanon exercises. Most of all, having a great time learning new skills.

Cheers and Happy playing everyone!

Key Notes \:\)
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