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#1971214 - 10/10/12 08:37 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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How's everyone doing? I've finally started to move forward a bit. I'm working on the G position (which is kinda nice) and am working on the song "Money Can't Buy Everything." My theory is way ahead of my skills, so I'm just working on trying to catch up and improve my technique.

It feels really slow going to me right now. I have to keep reminding myself that it is slow, I'm still sick and I am still adjusting to my new board! I wish us adults had a "be nice to self" button we could hit! LOL
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#1971544 - 10/10/12 08:50 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Hope you feel better soon Becca. I am exhausted tonight ( busy week). Had my piano lesson earlier and was really struggling with timing on the Brahms Lullaby (teacher gave me) so we used an online metronome. Feels like I'll never get timing right- will be working hard on this. I am on page 29 of Alfred's and have been given page 32 and 35 specifically to do but will do pages inbetween those as well.
On the upside I played a simplified version of Beethoven's sonata no 25 2nd movement opus 79, which I had from last year and found it so much easier than when I first was learning it- I noticed my finger positions were improved which I think made the difference. OK I was probably getting the timing not quite right and I have the letters of the notes written on there (which I was doing til my teacher stopped me doing in the first lesson!) but it was flowing better. I thought I might have a copy on my PC as I was asked to print it out without the letters of the notes on, b ut I haven't so I will have to tippex them out and photocopy it. I used to play it far too fast before.
I find it much easier than the Brahms Lullaby.


Edited by EdwardianPiano (10/10/12 08:52 PM)
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#1971680 - 10/11/12 05:36 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Originally Posted By: BeccaBb
How's everyone doing? I've finally started to move forward a bit. I'm working on the G position (which is kinda nice) and am working on the song "Money Can't Buy Everything."

I am still working in "The Stranger". I am a little surprised because it took little time to remember what I have learned before my holidays.
I found this comment in this thread, made by Doug F, in June, 30th 2010:
"I also got passed on The Stranger. I would have to say that was probably the toughest one in the book so far; it has so many things going on - melody switching hands, dynamic changes between hands and on the repeated lines, changing rhythms, and on and on"
For me the biggest issue is the big jumps, that I am trying to do without looking to the keyboard.

I had fun play "Money Can't Buy Everything".


Originally Posted By: EdwardianPiano
Had my piano lesson earlier and was really struggling with timing on the Brahms Lullaby (teacher gave me) so we used an online metronome. Feels like I'll never get timing right- will be working hard on this. I am on page 29 of Alfred's...

Brahms Lullaby is more advanced than those pages of Alfred. You will go through them without big issues.
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#1971740 - 10/11/12 09:50 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: fliper]
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Quote:
I am still working in "The Stranger". I am a little surprised because it took little time to remember what I have learned before my holidays.
I found this comment in this thread, made by Doug F, in June, 30th 2010:
"I also got passed on The Stranger. I would have to say that was probably the toughest one in the book so far; it has so many things going on - melody switching hands, dynamic changes between hands and on the repeated lines, changing rhythms, and on and on"
For me the biggest issue is the big jumps, that I am trying to do without looking to the keyboard.

I had fun play "Money Can't Buy Everything".



Sounds like you are doing well! Haven't got The Stranger in my Alfred's book- you must have a different book to me.



Quote:
Brahms Lullaby is more advanced than those pages of Alfred. You will go through them without big issues.


Don't I know it! It is starting to wind me up a bit- wake up hearing it played badly cursing
in my head and cannot get the timing right- the stuff I am doing in Alfred's so far has been ok.
I confessed to my teacher yesterday I nearly put it in the recycling bin!
Personally I am beginning to think I shall always be pants at sight reading and thinking to give it 6 months and then can it and just do the chords and playing by ear route which I am so much better at.
Means I won't be able to play my favourite music which is Classcial and will have to stick to pop but hey ho.


Edited by EdwardianPiano (10/11/12 09:51 AM)
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#1975530 - 10/19/12 06:36 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Hi everybody! Hope everyone is progressing along in our piano learning journey.

I'm working on Somewhere Over the Rainbow. It's a song I've always liked and I'm finding it enjoyable to play. It still needs work, but I think I will take a look at At Last next week while I am still trying to polish up Over the Rainbow.

I am also trying to play the previous couple of songs as well as they need a bit of work too. Amazing Grace is definitely one of the more challenging pieces in this book and I suppose that's why they put it at the end of the book. The tempo on the CD seems a bit fast for my liking and it also makes a couple of those stretches more difficult. Oh well, I just like to play it the way I feel it, and in this case it is a little slower.
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#1975541 - 10/19/12 07:24 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Good to see everyone plodding on.

My wife and I only started this a couple of weeks ago but are thoroughly enjoying ourselves.

We don't get much bench time, tends to be 10 or 15 minutes here and there dotted throughout the day. As such, I didn't expect much, however we have both surprised ourselves and each other. From those first tentative steps, fist notes and single finger playing, to now being able to play recognisable tunes incorporating several chords.
It's all very exciting and we find we are fighting to see who gets a go next.

I find the Alfred book to be very clear and well thought out.

Keep it up girls and guys. Onwards and upwards!
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#1975597 - 10/19/12 09:36 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: MonkeyMark]
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Originally Posted By: MonkeyMark
I didn't expect much, however we have both surprised ourselves and each other.

Alfred's is great in that way. You can really teach yourself how to play piano.
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#1975876 - 10/19/12 06:35 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Well done folks!
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#1976123 - 10/20/12 08:23 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Has anyone ever decided to just start over from the beginning in the Alfred's book after being more than half way through?

I think at the time I may have just memorized the songs instead of learned how to read the music. I find I have a lot of trouble playing outside the key of C and think maybe I should start over. I've been playing over a year...but I am struggling.

Any suggestions?

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#1976161 - 10/20/12 09:56 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Troubledclef]
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I'm only up to about page 50 of roughly 200 (it's the self teaching one), but I often go to the beginning and flick through, only takes 10/15 mins.
It's a good confidence booster as you suddenly find the earlier stuff so much easier than first time through.
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#1976182 - 10/20/12 10:23 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: MonkeyMark]
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Thanks, I am going through it now...it will be interesting to see where I start falling apart. I think part of the problem was my teacher let me skip or pass on songs I was struggling with.

I am no longer taking lessons, but I want to continue learning.
What do you find is the best way to progress?


Edited by Troubledclef (10/20/12 10:38 AM)

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#1976646 - 10/21/12 08:56 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Troubledclef]
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I got up to Lullaby before really having any struggles. Can someone tell me the best fingering (righthand)for the last eight measures?

This is what I am using

5 313 213452411
5 313 314321

It feels awkward...


Edited by Troubledclef (10/21/12 09:57 AM)

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#1976653 - 10/21/12 09:12 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Trouble, usually when someone has rough spots that's when you dig in! I don't think there is anything wrong with backtracking. I took a break from piano this summer and when I came back, I started the Alfred's book with chords I already knew for a refresher. smile

Is there something wrong with the fingering that is provided for that song?
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#1976672 - 10/21/12 10:00 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: BeccaBb]
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The entire fingering is not provided for this section,
starting with measure 8 it shows

5 (c) the next three notes are afg- no fingering providedand then picks up with 2 (e) 1 (c)

the three notes without the fingering is where it is awwkward...the last 4 measures are similar.

5 313 213452411
5 313 314321
the book leaves out where I put 313, but as you can see the measures lead to a different note...313 2, and then 313 3

Maybe it is supposed to be awkward.

Thanks for your reply.


Edited by Troubledclef (10/21/12 10:27 AM)

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#1976681 - 10/21/12 10:29 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Take what I say with a grain of salt here (as I'm not anywhere near that part of the book)

By looking at the score, I would take each phrase as a new hand position (it seems to repeat this throughout the score.) So I would ignore the measures for fingering and look at the phrases again. Where you have the two eighth notes e and c with fingering 1 and 2 I would consider that a new hand position.

After playing on my keyboard with this for a minute (having really tiny hands) I would play this with a few jumps. Eighth notes c as finger 1, half note c as finger 5, eighth note a as finger 4, eighth note f as finger 2, half note g as finger 3. Then switch hand position for next phrase.

What fingering have you tried and isn't working?
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#1977520 - 10/23/12 10:12 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Troubledclef]
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Originally Posted By: Troubledclef
I got up to Lullaby before really having any struggles. Can someone tell me the best fingering (righthand)for the last eight measures?

This is what I am using
5 313 213452411
5 313 314321


I use this (I think it is same as BeccaBB)
(10) 542 (11) 321 (12) 345 (13) 2411
(14) 542 (15) 431 (16) 432 (17) 1

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#1977564 - 10/23/12 12:19 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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The main thing i struggle with is time.
Between work and kids it's 10 minutes here and there. Though it should get better over the coming months.
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#1978355 - 10/25/12 05:10 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I'm almost 2 weeks into Alfreds at the song "Beautiful Brown Eyes". I moved up rather quickly ( it's the smaller book with 96 pages, don't know the exact English title because it's in my native Dutch language ) and I'm definately happy with my progress so far.
I'm however not so sure about the chord emphasis that this book has... In the long run, I'm most interested in classical songs, not modern ones. I also hear that people complain about even the second level book, which still doesn't have attractive songs. Therefore I'm wondering if I should try another method book.

I also have the recently published "The classical piano method" by Heumann ( Schott-music.com ). This method doesn't build on chords. But there's also a couple of downsides: it's not popular, so if I run into problems I can't ask anyone. It won't be as motivating as Alfreds because there is not a thread like this one.

Any suggestions ? I definately need a method book that I can rigurously follow.
One more thing: beside my Alfred book, I'm practicing 'Fur Elise' ( I have the first 43 of 125 measures under my belt ) and also Burgmullers 'Arabesque' ( about a third of the whole piece ). Obviouslu much more difficult than Alfreds, but at least the efforts put in reward me with some beautifull sounding music!
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#1978373 - 10/25/12 07:03 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: StefaanBelgium]
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I'm not sure how fast people normally progress through Alfred's, or if you have any prior experience, but your certainly making faster progress than myself. Well done!
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#1978389 - 10/25/12 08:04 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Hi Stefaan! I would suggest - if you are self learning - to stick with the Alfred mathod book, and keep working on your classical pieces also. You might want to get a series of easier classical pieces to work from also, like "Masterwork Classics", which I think has around 10 levels. If you look it up on Sheetmusicplus.com, you can look at a few pages to see what they are like. The first book is pretty much on the level ofthe middle of Alfred 1.
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#1978501 - 10/25/12 02:04 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: MonkeyMark]
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Originally Posted By: MonkeyMark
I'm not sure how fast people normally progress through Alfred's.

Some people whip through it in 3-6 months, for others it takes a year or two or more. I've been working on it for about 1½ years and I'm near the end of the book.

It really depends. It depends on a person's past experience with piano or other instruments. It depends upon ability. It depends on whether or not someone has a teacher. It depends on how much time and practice someone puts into it.

I think the way you're doing it is okay by putting in 10 minutes here and there while you have time. The pieces in the second half of the book require more work and I think you would benefit in the future by practicing for longer intervals, but seriously I often do like you - I put in 10-15 minutes here and there instead of sitting down and playing straight for 45 minutes or an hour.

What is important is that we have fun and enjoy playing piano. It shouldn't feel like a chore, at least not for older beginners in my opinion. It's better to play a little and to keep playing and learning than it is to practice too much and risk burning out.
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#1978539 - 10/25/12 03:28 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks for that.

I often only get 10 or 15 minutes, but still thoroughly enjoy it. When I can, which tends to be once or twice a week, I'll get maybe an hour in a sitting.

As my skills improve, so I don't sound quite so bad, I've started to fit time in after the kids have gone to bed.

I like the book and I'm progressing better than I expected. I tried once before and got nothing frustration. This time it's great!
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#1978568 - 10/25/12 04:10 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I was one of the slow ones. It took me two years to get through it, and I practiced every day. But I had never played an instrument before, am evidently not very musically talented, and started from scratch at 63. Now I've been on Book 2 for two years and I'm not even close to finishing. It's not easy, but I love it anyway.
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#1978570 - 10/25/12 04:11 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I've been on Faber since January and started Alfred's, um one two months ago? At the rate I'm going I might be done by this time next year. Not really sure.

I don't really care how long it takes as long as I learn the basics solidly and have fun while doing it!
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#1978612 - 10/25/12 05:54 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I'm currently taking piano lessons(had 2 so far) and work with The Piano Handbook in between, I'm close to finish learning the last piece in Unit 1, for now I'm doing fine, but I was wondering, given the fast pace this book progresses, is it possible to keep up with it for long?

If not, can you recommend a book that contains easy classical/jazz pieces(no children's songs, or anything as boring) with progressing difficulty?




Edited by Morte (10/25/12 05:55 PM)
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#1978765 - 10/26/12 03:53 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Morte]
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Here are some books mentioned in this thread, as supplement to
the Alfred Basic Adult course or Alfred AIO Piano Adult Course

Alfred's Greatest Hits Book 1
Alfred's Pop Songbook Book 1
Alfred's Sacred Book 1
Alfred's Jazz, Blues and Rags
Piano Handbook by Humphries (I have this one, CD with nice sound, I did not start to play it yet)
My First Book of Classical Music
Alfred All Time Favorites (I have this one, only play the first two pieces)

Faber Adult Piano Adventures (Method Book, as Alfred)
Bastien Piano Basics Book 1 (Method Book, as Alfred)


The first two books are the most popular in this thread. Each piece has the piece number of Alfred Piano Book you should know to play it.
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#1978767 - 10/26/12 04:07 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: MonkeyMark]
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Originally Posted By: MonkeyMark
I'm not sure how fast people normally progress through Alfred's...

I did not have previous learning and I took almost two years to go to page 129 "The Stranger". I try to practice every day, about 1 hour, sometimes less.
See this thread
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/printthread/Board/30/main/116114/type/thread.html
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#1979584 - 10/28/12 08:14 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Ok, just started using the damper/sustain pedal.

No problem I thought, wrong!
Adding something as simple as the pedal in has completely thrown my hands off, it is fun though.
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Alfred's self teaching - Book 1
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#1979646 - 10/28/12 12:05 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I'm glad I read these posts. I was beginning to feel like something was wrong that I was taking so long to get through Alfred's first book.

I do like to play from the Faber Classical book, and when I need help I google 'supermangino' and the song name, he has a great way of explaining it.

I decided to go back to the beginning of the Alfred's book and start over, and my stuggles started at lullabye, but I am now onto Jericho.

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#1985082 - 11/10/12 03:44 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Well I decided to back track and go to the beginning of Alfred and Faber to work on my rhythm and dynamics. Faber is going great (mind you I already worked through all these pages before!) but Alfred, well uck.

I'm on that King Welsucs or whatever you call him. And that stupid little two bar ditty has got my number. It sounds freaking terrible! I have it up to 72 ish on the metronome and am fighting to make the half notes sound decent. The two bar below it in p is okay, no problems there (I don't remember what it's called.)

How fast would you get that King W song going to? I'm wondering what even speed I should aim for here.

Which reminds me, why o why, do method books put in totally useless markings called lively or serious or flowing? Why can they not just use normal markings so the rest of the planet have a clue what they are actually aiming for? Is it alegro or adante?

Excuse the horrid spelling.
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