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#1988650 - 11/19/12 06:48 PM
Thumping DP keys lack of fluidity?
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Registered: 03/25/12
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I just saw a youtube vid, and it said that most low end DPs have a key thumping noise...
Playing I notice it....
Apparently if said something to the effect of as you become a better pianist and you stand to have more fluid motion in your finger tips. The thumping noise of the keys will dissipate considerably (but will not dissappear?.
I'm still very much a beginner, and I used to be an FFFF (yes +1 F) player but have recently started to be a little softer on the keys.... but I use headphones!
Any ideas as to if this is true or not?
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#1988891 - 11/20/12 10:13 AM
Re: Thumping DP keys lack of fluidity?
[Re: justpin]
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Registered: 11/08/09
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Loc: UK
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My tip is if you use a DP to practice, either with speakers or headphones, turn the volume up so it's loud, as loud as an acoustic if possible. Now you have to learn to play softly with control, or go deaf.
Conversely having the volume low encourages key pounding, and with plastic keys on many entry level DP's that means lots of clackity clack.
If you're a beginner perhaps start by turning the volume up a wee bit more than you're used to, and work with that.
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#1988906 - 11/20/12 10:45 AM
Re: Thumping DP keys lack of fluidity?
[Re: spanishbuddha]
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Registered: 05/25/12
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Loc: USA
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I started, as many, on a non-weighted keyboard. Namely from a Yamaha PSR, to a Yamaha DP95. Until my fingers built strength, i thought i was probably heavy handed. The more i play, the more i think it's not really about strength but attack. One sort of has to snap a piano key or else it won't sound. Organs one simply presses the keys. Then later you figure out just how little snap it takes to fire a piano key, real hammer or not. I've played Yamaha C & G grands. Weight/action-wise, they feel about the same as the DP95. There's something to be said for being able to hear what you're playing and not machine noise. I at least turn it up so i can't hear the keys. Or if playing along with a CD, i'll run the volume so i can hear both equally. Same goes with playing along with somebody else. In a small room especially, volume control (DPs) are a good thing.
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#1988909 - 11/20/12 10:52 AM
Re: Thumping DP keys lack of fluidity?
[Re: justpin]
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Registered: 02/29/12
Posts: 1672
Loc: Ireland (ex England)
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I think you're using the volume control intelligently, Farmerjones. The difficulty with the DP is that those without acoustic piano experience can use a low volume level for comfort and convenience (as much for others in the household as themselves) and in this way be unaccustomed to controlling the volume with their fingers.
You can't play an acoustic quietly without sufficient control.
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#1988928 - 11/20/12 11:42 AM
Re: Thumping DP keys lack of fluidity?
[Re: justpin]
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Registered: 12/09/11
Posts: 864
Loc: Thunder Bay, On Canada
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My Roland also thumps but I only notice it in the higher octaves. As for the volume. When I first got it, I picked a set volume for the monitor (about half way) and the headphones (just under that because they are louder.) The only time I touch volume is when I switch between the monitor and headphones. I'd love to crank it up more with the monitor (and sometimes do) but I have a family and neighbors to think of. Otherwise my volume control requires my fingers to do the work.  I really think that the lack of vibration is why we can hear the thumping. On my acoustic I don't notice it thumping but I'm sure it does thump. However when you press a key the vibrations mask it. Nothing on a dp to mask it. (that's my theory anyways. LOL)
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#1988929 - 11/20/12 11:45 AM
Re: Thumping DP keys lack of fluidity?
[Re: justpin]
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My new teacher put me through some lullaby pieces to get me to stop hammering the keys, and I think its working as I am a bit lighter on the keys.... it was funny because I kept the volume low to protect my hearing, so had to hammer to get it so I could hear it.
However I do have the brick on sustain problem.
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#1989154 - 11/20/12 10:41 PM
Re: Thumping DP keys lack of fluidity?
[Re: justpin]
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Registered: 07/22/12
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I would recommend getting some time on an acoustic if at all possible, even one in crummy condition. I couldn't possibly develop any pedaling skills whatsoever without my out of tune spinet. When I'm on the DP, I'm pretty much in brick mode, focusing on touch and rhythm.
As for the vibration theory, my money is on felt or lack thereof.
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