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#1586950 - 12/30/10 03:22 AM Dummy keyboard
NLEE Offline
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Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 9
Loc: Hong Kong
Dear Sirs,

I would like to have advise on where to get a dummy keyboard .
The silent keyboard that pianist used to travel with. I have been searching on the Internet and return no result.

Any iadvise would be highly appreciated,

Thanks in advanced,

Norman

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#1586953 - 12/30/10 03:35 AM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
rysowers Offline
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2340
Loc: Olympia, WA
I have one! A German concert pianist gave it to me in partial trade for some work I did for him. It folds in half into a small suitcase. It was made in Austria I believe.

I'll post a picture soon.
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#1586954 - 12/30/10 03:35 AM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
david_a Offline
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Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 2913
I don't know what you want it for, or if this idea might be good enough for you, but one way of getting a dummy keyboard is to use an electronic keyboard with the power turned off.
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#1587054 - 12/30/10 07:51 AM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
NLEE Offline
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Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 9
Loc: Hong Kong
Thank you for your reply, I am looking for a dummy keyboard that can be fold into a suitcase when I go on tour. I think Mr. Sower got the type that I am looking for. It is so hard to get one now. Rachmaninoff and the older generation use them regularly and I know a company in the states use to make it twenty some years ago, but I cannot find them out now. Any help would be appreciated .
Thank you ,
Norman

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#1587166 - 12/30/10 11:57 AM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
AryReisin Offline
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Registered: 06/20/06
Posts: 78
Loc: Buenos Aires, Argentina.
NLEE, the options I know are the following:

1) Around 3000usd
Vax77 folding keyboard with weighted action Vax77


2) From 500usd
Fatar models with weighted action usb powered (49, 61, 76, 88 keys) Fatar Models

3) Buy a weighted keyboard and cut it in 2 or 3 pieces. It will cease to be functional if wanted to play sounds, but could be used mechanically as long as the extremes are glued to some plastic, etc.
Cheapest would be a Casio CDP100 or Privia. From there you have all the offerings from Yamaha, Roland, Kawai, etc.

Notice that all these options have weighted action, but the 25 keys keyboards only have semi weighted action, and many times keys smaller in size.

From what I have read if you want a keyboard to fit in a carry on when flying, a 49 keys or smaller is needed, any bigger and you would have to check it.

Best Regards,
Ary

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#1587298 - 12/30/10 03:11 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
Gyro Offline
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Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 4533
These come up for sale off and on, even on this forum. A few yrs. ago someone in Pennsylvania had one in near mint condition for sale with the instruction charts still pasted to it. They are not common today because people have thrown them away over the yrs. because they thought they were broken pianos. They are apparently still fairly common in Australia and New Zealand, so you might check the used piano websites in those places.

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#1587342 - 12/30/10 04:02 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
rysowers Offline
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2340
Loc: Olympia, WA
Here are some pictures:




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#1589437 - 01/03/11 06:45 AM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
NLEE Offline
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Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 9
Loc: Hong Kong
Thank you for all your input. What a nice keyboard that you have, that is exactly what I am looking for. I thought they are make with four octave, it is nice to see a whole keyboard with 88 keys. I will keep searching if there is any for sale, if you come across any , please let me know. Thank you again and you have a great dummy keyboard.

Norman

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#1589658 - 01/03/11 01:37 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
Aliwally Offline
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Registered: 07/07/07
Posts: 521
Loc: Washington, D.C.
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#1589715 - 01/03/11 03:06 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
ando Online   content
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 3340
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
I just can't imagine practising on a keyboard that doesn't make any sound. I don't think it would benefit me at all. Technique is built not just by exercising muscles but my matching muscle movement to dynamic sound. It might even harm your playing to play a silent keyboard. I have a silent system on my Yamaha U3 and to play it without the sound module turned on gives you no feedback at all about what your movements are creating. You can't tell if you are playing evenly at all. All you know is if you are pressing a key or not - and possibly not even the right key!

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#1589756 - 01/03/11 04:04 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
rysowers Offline
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Registered: 04/16/07
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Loc: Olympia, WA
There is actually something very interesting about playing on a keyboard that makes no sound. Your mind becomes entirely focused on the finger patterns. Without the audible cues, you realize you may not know the piece as well as you think you do!

I think these devices do have some merit.
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#1589776 - 01/03/11 04:43 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: rysowers]
ando Online   content
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 3340
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: rysowers
There is actually something very interesting about playing on a keyboard that makes no sound. Your mind becomes entirely focused on the finger patterns. Without the audible cues, you realize you may not know the piece as well as you think you do!

I think these devices do have some merit.


That's an interesting comment, Ryan. I suppose it could stimulate memory and imagination of the sound of every note. I think it would have to be done sparingly though because it could damage your touch sensitivity if you did it too much. Notes are not just on or off, or right or wrong. They all carry different weight and the interplay is important, where as a silent device treats things in a binary on/off sort of way. Still, obviously some people find this a useful approach.

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#1589793 - 01/03/11 05:08 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
BDB Offline
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Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 20766
Loc: Oakland
I recall reading that some of them could be set to make a little clicking sound when the key was depressed or released, and that one could practice legato by synchronizing the click going down with the click coming up.
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#1590469 - 01/04/11 02:25 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
Gyro Offline
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Registered: 04/24/05
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I actually went looking for a silent keyboard in the late 1980's because of noise concerns in my apt. building. I first went to the people I thought would be most helpful in finding one, piano professionals. The response I got from them was shocking in its complete ignorance. None of these piano professionals had any idea what I was talking about. A common response was a hostile and indignant: "What possible use could there be for a piano that made no sound?"

These silent keyboards first appeared in the late 19th century. They used to be very popular with concert pianists in the 1930's. Arrau used one all his life. In one of the last photos taken before his death, he posed in his piano room at home, not with a big grand in the background, but with his ancient silent keyboard, as if to say: "Many times during my career people have asked what the secret to my playing was, so different from the just-play-the-notes playing of most concert pianists. Now, in the twilight of my life, I give you the secret: my old silent keyboard."

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#1590552 - 01/04/11 04:09 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
kluurs Offline
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Registered: 05/24/02
Posts: 3739
Loc: Chicago
I'd agree that you might want to consider a lighterweight digital keyboard that you like - and have a case made for it. That way, you can choose the touch and weight you prefer. You have a piano that can, where appropriate, be plugged in for feedback - but lets you play without sound if you choose. I suspect the cost of the digital piano plus a custom case will be less than one of the dummy keyboards. Good luck, whatever your decision.

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#1988967 - 11/20/12 01:52 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: rysowers]
mclpianist Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 11/20/12
Posts: 1
hi,

i just came across these pictures.
do you still have this dummy keyboard in your possession?
i've been searching for one and would be interested in acquiring for after-hours practice.

thanks

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#1989039 - 11/20/12 06:00 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: mclpianist]
rysowers Offline
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2340
Loc: Olympia, WA
I do still have it! Feel free to contact me privately if you would like to make an offer.
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Pianova Piano Service
Olympia, WA
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#2063529 - 04/12/13 02:54 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
rysowers Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2340
Loc: Olympia, WA
Just to let folks know, I am officially looking for a home my practice keyboard. I'm on a health food kick and want to buy a new Vitamix!

I want to turn this:



into this:



and hopefully turn me from this:



into THIS:


Send me a PM if you are interested. Here's to your health!
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Pianova Piano Service
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#2063576 - 04/12/13 03:56 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 6138
Loc: Rochester MN
Interesting ad!
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#2063713 - 04/12/13 09:17 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
ChasT Offline
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Registered: 05/06/09
Posts: 649
Loc: Georgia
If you're lucky, you might be able to find a good used Bass O Matic on eBay or Craigslist for cheap and keep the keyboard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BQFv83QJ2Y

Charles

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#2063728 - 04/12/13 09:41 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 6138
Loc: Rochester MN
I have it on good authority that this was Lucy's prefered method to whip up a batch of Vita-Meata-Vegemin.
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#2063776 - 04/12/13 11:18 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: Minnesota Marty]
rysowers Offline
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2340
Loc: Olympia, WA
You bring up some really good points, guys! Check this video out. It demonstrates how to get a lot more minerals into your diet!
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Pianova Piano Service
Olympia, WA
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#2063778 - 04/12/13 11:23 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
RealPlayer Offline
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Registered: 05/02/03
Posts: 2281
Loc: NYC
Rysowers,

Be careful. I've heard that some newer models of the Vitamix are not nearly as good as the old ones. Perhaps they are trying to reach a larger consumer base and cheapening the product.
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#2064312 - 04/14/13 01:40 AM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
rysowers Offline
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2340
Loc: Olympia, WA
Wow this is really going off topic to talk about Vitamix on a piano forum! smile

I've been doing some research and they are still considered to be at the top of the class although many prefer the Blendec. The main thing that I hear about Vitamix is that they are still made in the USA, and that their customer support/service is fantastic. 2 horse power in a blender is pretty hefty.

MORE BLENDER FUN:

Q: What’s the best way to make your dog drink?

A: Put him/her in a blender!
(I know, that is really horrible. Sorry.)
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#2064403 - 04/14/13 10:06 AM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: rysowers]
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 6138
Loc: Rochester MN
Originally Posted By: rysowers
Wow this is really going off topic to talk about Vitamix on a piano forum! smile

Ryan, it was you who brought it up !!!!!!!!

Advertising is a big No-No at Piano World. Surely you know that by now.
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#2064521 - 04/14/13 01:55 PM Re: Dummy keyboard [Re: NLEE]
rysowers Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2340
Loc: Olympia, WA
You are right, Marty! I am guilty as charged. But heck - I got away with it!!
I just thought it was funny that it started turning into blender reviews!

Of course the best blender is the "Piano Blender"!grin



Edited by rysowers (04/16/13 12:34 AM)
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