Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps and more.

Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
70 registered (Albunea, AndyP, Andrei Kuznetsov, AndrewJCW, BB Player, Angelscallingme780, 17 invisible), 889 Guests and 8 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1989164 - 11/20/12 11:12 PM How do you grade your progress?
Roland The Beagle Offline
Full Member

Registered: 02/17/12
Posts: 268
Loc: California
How can you tell if you are making progress fast enough?

Obviously people learn at vastly different speeds and so on, but I still think there must be a good idea of whether you are learning something too slowly based on, maybe an average of how long it takes someone to learn a piece?

I don't know where you could find this information except maybe by talking to teachers or students. For example, how many years must someone be playing on average to learn Bach's C Minor Prelude from the Well-Tempered Clavier book 1?

The reason why this is important to me is because I want an idea if my practice habits are bad or if I'm moving along just fine (or even splendid!). I remember hearing there is a book out there of piano repertoire rated by difficulty or something, but I can't remember the name.

Edited by Roland The Beagle (11/20/12 11:13 PM)
Danzas Argentinas, Alberto Ginastera
Piano Sonata Hob. XVI: 34 in E Minor, Franz Joseph Haydn
Nocturne, Op. 15 No. 1 in F Major, Frédéric Chopin
Prelude, Op. 11 No. 4 in E Minor, Alexander Scriabin
Prelude and Fugue in G Major, Well-Tempered Clavier Vol. 2, Johann Sebastian Bach

Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items
#1989173 - 11/20/12 11:44 PM Re: How do you grade your progress? [Re: Roland The Beagle]
JoelW Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 5183
Loc: USA

#1989192 - 11/21/12 12:57 AM Re: How do you grade your progress? [Re: Roland The Beagle]
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 5446
Loc: Philadelphia
I always grade myself, "capable of improvement." Nothing more, nothing less. In that way, I strive to improve everything I do at all times. wink
Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.

#1989239 - 11/21/12 05:41 AM Re: How do you grade your progress? [Re: Roland The Beagle]
bennevis Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 7085
There are lots of books of music for different grades, published by the ABRSM and others. So, in general, if you can play a piece well in one grade you should be able to manage all the others, though you'll still find that some take longer to learn, and some seem more difficult - that's because we all have different technical abilities and find some things easier than others. If you don't have a teacher, you'll only find out by trial and error what standard you are at.

As to how long it should take to learn any particular piece - I'd say: as long as it takes. Obviously, if you hit a brick wall very quickly, the piece may be too far beyond your present technical ability, and maybe you should set your sights lower for the present until your technique catches up with your ambitions. When I was young, I (somewhat rashly) treated myself to volumes of Beethoven Sonatas, and decided I was going to start learning them, though I was only Grade 6 at the time and had only played a couple of slow movements of the Sonatas. But it did mean I had a goal to aim for in the next few years.....
"I don't play accurately - anyone can play accurately - but I play with wonderful expression. As far as the piano is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I keep science for Life."

#1989350 - 11/21/12 11:25 AM Re: How do you grade your progress? [Re: Roland The Beagle]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4641
Loc: not somewhere over the rainbow
I listen to myself intensely, and think - "so how shitty is this right now, compared to a few days/weeks ago?"

And therein lies your answer.

"The eyes can mislead, the smile can lie, but the shoes always tell the truth."

#1989421 - 11/21/12 01:56 PM Re: How do you grade your progress? [Re: Roland The Beagle]
moscheles001 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/13/08
Posts: 758
Loc: Northeast Pennsylvania
You may be thinking of Jane McGrath's Pianist's Guide to Standard Teaching and Performance Literature. That's a very helpful book.


Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving to all our members and guests from the U.S.!
(ad) Yamaha CP4 or CP40 Free Bag
Buy a CP4 or CP40 Get a Free Bag
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ads) PD - WNG - MH
Mason & Hamlin Piano Factory Tours
Ad (the Piano Store)
the Piano Store - Restored Steinway Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Weigth of the arm
by johan d
40 minutes 23 seconds ago
Playing piano topless
by PhilipInChina
Yesterday at 11:08 PM
Students with A.D.D
by Elysia
Yesterday at 11:07 PM
Happy Belated Birthday Orange Soda King!
by pianoloverus
Yesterday at 04:13 PM
Special Thanks on this day to all the techs on PW
by chasingrainbows
Yesterday at 04:05 PM
What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
Forums Rules & Help
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
Forum Stats
81,564 Registered Members
44 Forums
168,590 Topics
2,469,982 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |

copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission