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#1989275 - 11/21/12 08:45 AM Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List
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Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List
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I imagine this would fairly devastate Curtis!
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#1989288 - 11/21/12 09:01 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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am I the only one who can't open this?

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#1989305 - 11/21/12 09:33 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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This slots nicely with the neglected repertoire thread - everything that is not on the banned list is on the neglected list.

The "there's a reason this music is so popular" bit was particularly funny - I didn't realize that was a trope beyond PW.

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#1989316 - 11/21/12 10:04 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Well the fact that seems the only website publishing that story makes.me think it is fake

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#1989321 - 11/21/12 10:12 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: GeorgeB]
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Originally Posted By: GeorgeB
Well the fact that seems the only website publishing that story makes.me think it is fake


I'm beginning to think the same thing...

Some of it seems a little over-the-top. I can understand banning certain pieces that are over-played, but violists banned from playing "any passage of music containing a rhythm in 16th-notes or faster" and vocalists from "any Mozart aria containing a trill"... that takes it a tad too far.

If it is true, I'd like to see a full list.

Edit: just noticed the point at the bottom of the page:
"Note: Submediant is a satirical segment within The Backyard (see: the logo), and its contents should not be mistaken for real events—however believable."


Edited by Jolteon (11/21/12 10:14 AM)
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#1989324 - 11/21/12 10:20 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Guys, wake up. "The Yard" is a student-run newspaper at Juilliard. It's a joke. Got it???
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#1989340 - 11/21/12 11:02 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Footnote to the article :

"Note: Submediant is a satirical segment within The Backyard (see: the logo), and its contents should not be mistaken for real events—however believable."

Cheers!
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#1989347 - 11/21/12 11:22 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Argh, they missed something - should've included "EVERYTHING WRITTEN BY CHOPIN", perhaps excluding the op. 45 prelude. (which - why the helll doesn't anybody play!?!?)
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#1989348 - 11/21/12 11:25 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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What's wrong with Chopin? Not everything written by.him.is.overplayed

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#1989352 - 11/21/12 11:27 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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I can't retrieve it either. Does anyone have a better link?
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#1989355 - 11/21/12 11:31 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: GeorgeB]
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What's wrong with Chopin? Not everything written by.him.is.overplayed


No. Only about 88% of it.
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#1989362 - 11/21/12 11:41 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Surprised they didn't toss Prok 2 and 3 and his 6th and 7th sonatas, which are not only overplayed, but would sound suuper harsh while being practiced
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#1989368 - 11/21/12 11:53 AM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Thanks for sharing the link. It brought a smile to my face and made my day! I loved the bit about "especially composers and Historical Performance students".
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#1989375 - 11/21/12 12:06 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.

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#1989376 - 11/21/12 12:09 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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I loved the bit about "especially composers and Historical Performance students"

As a dad of a Baroque flute student (whose last performance was with a harpsichord accompanist), I had to smile at that one as well. I had fun with the image of a harpsichord player gnashing proverbial teeth at the sound of over-pedaled 19th century piano music.
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#1989381 - 11/21/12 12:18 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Have you all seen the Aspen/marijuana article? I was rolling over on my sides!! laugh

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#1989387 - 11/21/12 12:27 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


I didn't think anyone did???
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#1989403 - 11/21/12 01:12 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Argh, they missed something - should've included "EVERYTHING WRITTEN BY CHOPIN", perhaps excluding the op. 45 prelude. (which - why the helll doesn't anybody play!?!?)


I think it's a remarkable work and, apart from the cadenza which I haven't yet mastered, I enjoy playing this work a great deal. How would you analyze it, harmonically; what tonalities become momentary tonic keys and which ones would be considered simply leading? With all the modulations, is there a key in this piece that Chopin has not touched upon?

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#1989407 - 11/21/12 01:20 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Argh, they missed something - should've included "EVERYTHING WRITTEN BY CHOPIN", perhaps excluding the op. 45 prelude. (which - why the helll doesn't anybody play!?!?)


I think it's a remarkable work and, apart from the cadenza which I haven't yet mastered, I enjoy playing this work a great deal. How would you analyze it, harmonically; what tonalities become momentary tonic keys and which ones would be considered simply leading? With all the modulations, is there a key in this piece that Chopin has not touched upon?

Regards,


I often get the sense with Chopin that he operates not along the vertical, as Rameau espoused in his treatise on harmony, but along the horizontal like Bach. He composed using counterpoint and long lines and voice leading, and in so doing I feel he mastered harmony more completely than any other composer in history. In this Prelude, he uses another Baroque device, the sequence, together with the effortless modulations that characterize his late work.

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#1989409 - 11/21/12 01:32 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Sounds like utter BS.

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#1989417 - 11/21/12 01:46 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: debrucey
I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


I didn't think anyone did???


Check three posts below yours, and twelve posts above ...
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#1989423 - 11/21/12 01:56 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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I posted it on my Facebook and loads of people thought it was real lol

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#1989431 - 11/21/12 02:10 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Juilliard's version of an Onion article. Irony challenge is a serious condition. grin
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#1989446 - 11/21/12 02:55 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Actually I heard that in addition to banning those pieces, they are recommending a short list of pieces which includes Mozart Sonata K. 545 first movement only, Beethoven Moonlight sonata first movement only and Fur Elise. Chopin nocturne Op.9 #2 in Eb major is optional.
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#1989448 - 11/21/12 02:59 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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You wouldn't need to ban as much Chopin as you might expect. It may come as a surprise to many pianists that Chopin wrote more than two nocturnes. (Op. 27/2 and Op. 48/1 aren't the only ones!)

It may also come as a surprise to many that the Preludes don't need to be played complete and can be interspersed with these things called waltzes. There are also some impromptus that aren't hackneyed (3 in fact!)
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#1989451 - 11/21/12 03:03 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Kreisler]
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You wouldn't need to ban as much Chopin as you might expect. It may come as a surprise to many pianists that Chopin wrote more than two nocturnes. (Op. 27/2 and Op. 48/1 aren't the only ones!)

It may also come as a surprise to many that the Preludes don't need to be played complete and can be interspersed with these things called waltzes. There are also some impromptus that aren't hackneyed (3 in fact!)


But scherzo no. 2 is the only scherzo he wrote. He should have written more of them.

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#1989502 - 11/21/12 04:40 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Great article. Posted it on my facebook too and a lot of people fell for it. Can't believe anybody did though, it was pretty obvious to me from the second paragraph.

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#1989516 - 11/21/12 05:08 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Hmmm, this really saddens me. Why should music come to that? If somebody connects with a piece,and plays it well and understand the emotional depth of the piece, then who cares whether the piece is well known or not. I just find the whole concept of "banned repertoire" pretty ignorant and silly. I mean, music is music, you can't "sort" music like that.
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#1989528 - 11/21/12 05:30 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: Samuel1993]
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Hmmm, this really saddens me. Why should music come to that? If somebody connects with a piece,and plays it well and understand the emotional depth of the piece, then who cares whether the piece is well known or not. I just find the whole concept of "banned repertoire" pretty ignorant and silly. I mean, music is music, you can't "sort" music like that.


It's a JOKE!

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#1989536 - 11/21/12 05:44 PM Re: Juilliard Releases Banned Repertoire List [Re: debrucey]
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I really can't believe how many people think this is real. I mean jesus christ.


Just talked with the "editor" of the Yard, and he just got a call from Juilliard admissions who got inundated with panicked calls from prospective auditionees. laugh
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