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#1990232 - 11/24/12 08:04 AM
Keyboard shifts left
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I worked on a old NY S&S. the UC is going left (so all hammers have to be centered left, the opposite of what is done usually)
Was it done for a long time on the NY Steinways that one is 1878, new board and pinblock new hammers and shanks new damper felts, then no other work all other parts left untouched (surprise !)
Edited by Kamin (11/24/12 08:08 AM)
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#1990346 - 11/24/12 02:23 PM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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Kamin,
I have a customer with an S/S B from 1881, and it also shifts to the left.
I have another customer with an 1884 B, but I do not remember which way it shifts.
I can check the next time I tune the piano.
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#1990420 - 11/24/12 05:40 PM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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Thanks, I am just curious, I did see just once that inverted shifting (may be also on a Chickering if memory serves)
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#1990459 - 11/24/12 07:31 PM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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Hardman grands shifted left.
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#1990487 - 11/24/12 08:50 PM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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#1990504 - 11/24/12 09:49 PM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Supply]
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Isn't that illegal nowadays in the USA?? Only if you're a member of the Tea Party.... Seriously -- a number of early (mid- and late-1800s and into the beginning of the 1900s had left-shifting keyframes. I'm not sure it really made any difference in terms of function. It has long been my impression -- I don't know if it was something I was told years back or if I came up with it on my own -- that the practice ended because of shipping problems. Grands are shipped on their bass (left) side and the action would bounce up and down against the shift return spring sometimes causing damage to various action parts. ddf
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#1990507 - 11/24/12 09:53 PM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Del]
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Isn't that illegal nowadays in the USA?? Only if you're a member of the Tea Party.... Seriously -- a number of early (mid- and late-1800s and into the beginning of the 1900s had left-shifting keyframes. I'm not sure it really made any difference in terms of function. It has long been my impression -- I don't know if it was something I was told years back or if I came up with it on my own -- that the practice ended because of shipping problems. Grands are shipped on their bass (left) side and the action would bounce up and down against the shift return spring sometimes causing damage to various action parts. ddf Makes a lot of sense.
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#1990509 - 11/24/12 09:55 PM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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That does make sense, Del. A lot of small old Wurlitzer grands also shifted to the left.
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#1990558 - 11/25/12 01:58 AM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Loren D]
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That does make sense, Del. A lot of small old Wurlitzer grands also shifted to the left. But who would have known if they had been damaged in transit?
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#1990604 - 11/25/12 07:31 AM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Dale Fox]
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That does make sense, Del. A lot of small old Wurlitzer grands also shifted to the left. But who would have known if they had been damaged in transit? Wouldn't everyone have known?
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#1990621 - 11/25/12 08:40 AM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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Thank you for the answer, and yes the explanation make sence...
Regards
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#1990628 - 11/25/12 09:00 AM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Loren D]
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That does make sense, Del. A lot of small old Wurlitzer grands also shifted to the left. But who would have known if they had been damaged in transit? Wouldn't everyone have known? I think the point is that an undamaged Wurlitzer grand and a damaged Wurlitzer grand would have played about the same. And in some cases I suppose this might have been true but I've also worked on quite a few Wurlitzer grands that, with just a little bit of effort, were quite decent instruments. ddf
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#1990665 - 11/25/12 11:31 AM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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And I was trying to be so obvious. Thanks for the clarification Del. Loren, I DO worry about your sense of humor. <grin>
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#1990674 - 11/25/12 11:46 AM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Dale Fox]
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And I was trying to be so obvious. Thanks for the clarification Del. Loren, I DO worry about your sense of humor. <grin> As with other senses it gets dimmer over time.... ddf
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#1990678 - 11/25/12 11:51 AM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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Dale, don't give up your day job. :p
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#1990815 - 11/25/12 08:32 PM
Re: Keyboard shifts left
[Re: Olek]
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Does it make you think Dale, that some of us might be a little bit "shifty?" hehe, sorry, can't resist a good pun!!!
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