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#1990716 - 11/25/12 01:48 PM Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano
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Does the Roland RP 301 equal the quality sound of the Roland V-Piano?

Appears roughly the price difference is:

RP 301 about 1600
V-Piano about 6000

Quite a difference.

Makes me wonder about how durable the 301 would be. Or, how long you could play it without problems.

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#1991034 - 11/26/12 11:14 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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I don't think the difference in price has anything to do with durability, it's the electronics inside them - the V-Piano's sound is totally modeled and generated from scratch from when you press the key down, which gives it the playability that sampled or even SN DPs can't match.

But saying that, the V-Piano is a bit of a heavy beast considering it has only 88 keys and no cabinet and no speakers..... grin
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#1991040 - 11/26/12 11:23 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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The V-Piano is a flagship studio slab with unique sound modeling controls and top-of-line action, etc. The RP-301 is a fantastic, affordable console with entirely different features. The main piano sound is a derivative from the V-Piano technology. The sound in the RP-301 is like having one of the favorite pre-sets from the V-Piano, not the whole thing. The action is good, but also different.

They are vastly different products. Roland has an excellent reputation for durability...and the RP-301 has a 5 year, in-home warranty which is unique in the industry at that price.
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#1991042 - 11/26/12 11:28 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: bennevis]
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What is "playability"?
Originally Posted By: bennevis
...yhe V-Piano's sound is totally modeled ... which gives it the playability that sampled or even SN DPs can't match.

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#1991074 - 11/26/12 12:39 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
The RP-301 is a fantastic, affordable console with entirely different features. The main piano sound is a derivative from the V-Piano technology. The sound in the RP-301 is like having one of the favorite pre-sets from the V-Piano, not the whole thing.


Nonsense. They sound nothing like one another. The 301 has the usual Supernatural sample-based sound (with modelled elements) and the V-Piano is exactly as bennevis described it (except he missed the fact it sounds completely wrong!). But there is no similarity between the tonal characteristics of them at all.
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#1991223 - 11/26/12 07:23 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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EssBrace ----

Can you explain what you mean by saying the V "sounds completely wrong"? Just curious as the V is something I'm a little interested in.

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#1991247 - 11/26/12 08:31 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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Me too. I thought it sounded pretty good. I'm not a fan of DP sounds -- I prefer piano libraries -- but the V Piano sounds better to me than any other digital.

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#1991319 - 11/27/12 04:59 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: btcomm]
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Originally Posted By: btcomm
EssBrace ----

Can you explain what you mean by saying the V "sounds completely wrong"? Just curious as the V is something I'm a little interested in.


I'm almost reluctant to elaborate because there are certain V-Piano owners who will pounce. I have ranted about it many many times (as have others). I owned a V-Piano and got rid of it. Roland promised "a virtual showroom of concert grands" meaning that there are so many adjustments to the sound that you can "create" any piano you like. Want a Yamaha? No problem. A Fazioli? Easy. Well the truth is all the presets - and regardless of whatever adjustment you make - sound the same - it has the same basic underlying tonal characteristic. And I don't like that sound - in the midrange it has a processed, artificial, synthetic "hollow" quality that just doesn't sound like a real piano - it sounds like an electronic emulation of one (not a very good one either).

The dynamics and nuance and expressiveness are second to none - its response to the player's inputs is far and away the best you will find in a digital piano. So it's a curious mixture of very good (the best) and in my opinion really rather bad.

Please note that I have had it confirmed to me by the Roland UK V-Piano product specialist that when designing the V-Piano they had to start with a sound, a basic tonal structure. And everything the V-Piano does is based around that tone. So if you don't like that sound, you are not going to like the sound of the V-Piano.

One final point, Roland KNEW it was a problem for some people - they KNEW there was an issue with the midrange tones. In the V-Piano Grand they have introduced a new model which is structurally different (you cannot adjust the same parameters). This new tone fixes the problem and does not have the electronic hollow midrange of the other V-Piano voices. This new tone can be loaded into the original V-Piano although you need the cooperation of Roland to achieve that.

So a V-PIano with the new model in it from the V-Grand would be a very good thing. It is still characteristic of the Roland tonal signature (so you need to like that) but the midrange issue can be fixed in this way.

About half the V-Piano owners on this forum got rid of them for all the same reasons and one or two owners who still have the V-Piano have misgivings about its sound.

Cheers,

Steve
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#1991334 - 11/27/12 05:45 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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btcomm,
Instead of taking what our very, very, very good friend grin Essbrace says at face value (he's been saying the same thing ever since he lost interest in the V-Piano and got rid of it), why not play the black beast (or beauty) for yourself, dialling in the settings I suggested on another thread (or look up my old V-Piano thread where I gave a long list of settings that emulate well-known acoustic brands). If you still don't like what you hear, that's fine - everyone has their own tastes in piano sound (and tastes also change with time, as many here have discovered...).

All I'll say is that I've been playing acoustic pianos all my life (OK, since 10... grin) and the V-Piano is the only DP that comes close to the playing and sound experience I get from a well-tuned and regulated concert grand. The V-Piano Grand has the same 28 different piano sounds (from which you can customize your own settings) plus two extra which are nice to have, but not indispensible, IMO - they aren't a complete departure from the other presets that both have (I've played the Grand in a concert hall, where its projection and power at fff is truly wondrous).

And I'm reminded of how good the V-Piano is every time I go into a DP store and try out the new DPs.....
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#1991372 - 11/27/12 08:16 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis

Instead of taking what our very, very, very good friend grin Essbrace says at face value (he's been saying the same thing ever since he lost interest in the V-Piano and got rid of it),


I didn't "lose interest", it simply did not deliver the promise - or anything even close to it. You cannot even imagine how much I wanted it to work. But to use modern parlance it was an "epic fail".
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#1991408 - 11/27/12 09:59 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Originally Posted By: bennevis

Instead of taking what our very, very, very good friend grin Essbrace says at face value (he's been saying the same thing ever since he lost interest in the V-Piano and got rid of it),


I didn't "lose interest", it simply did not deliver the promise - or anything even close to it. You cannot even imagine how much I wanted it to work. But to use modern parlance it was an "epic fail".


Was the fail on this level?



Or this?




(just thought this topic could use a diversion)

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#1991412 - 11/27/12 10:09 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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Or this ... Essbrace vs. Bennevis ... aka V-piano-hate vs. AG-hate ...


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#1991467 - 11/27/12 12:09 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Or this ... Essbrace vs. Bennevis ... aka V-piano-hate vs. AG-hate ...



Ah, I remember the days when I was boxing... (OK, it was just a 'Boxercise' fitness class in the gym and most of my 'opponents' were female.... grin).

But I must admit I never felt like I wanted to punch the AG, no matter how unresponsive it felt when I tried to get something like a real fortissimo out of it, and it would only give me a limp mf. I just kept thinking: what a wasted opportunity Yamaha can't give the thing real 'welly' (as the Northerners would say) and get some modelling into the AG's gizzards so that it begins to play and feel like the real thing, rather than just having the action resembling the real thing.
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#1991481 - 11/27/12 12:41 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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The difference between me and bennevis is that I can happily acknowledge the considerable strengths of the V-Piano and the considerable weaknesses of the AvantGrand. And of course I have owned both.

Bennevis would like to do rude things with the V-Piano, such is his blind (and deaf) devotion to it and apparently cannot find a single praiseworthy element to the AvantGrand - he even refuses to acknowledge the undoubted superiority of the action. His views completely lack balance. And as a result he lacks credibility.
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#1991484 - 11/27/12 12:50 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Bennevis would like to do rude things with the V-Piano.


Pray, do elucidate..... grin grin grin
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#1991597 - 11/27/12 04:41 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Bennevis would like to do rude things with the V-Piano.


Pray, do elucidate..... grin grin grin


Let's just say it's a good job the V-Piano doesn't have a convenient "orifice". I shudder to think what you'd get up to with it!
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#1991798 - 11/28/12 02:19 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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as a curious passerby, thanks for the credible and thorough review of the V-Piano, EssBrace. As someone who unfortunately lives far from music stores (especially those that would have such a digital on display to try), I always find such well-thought-out reviews interesting and thought-provoking.

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#1991818 - 11/28/12 04:20 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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Thanks Bob. But my thoughts are just that; my thoughts. I'd encourage anyone to try the V-Piano - there are some enthusiastic owners of it. I cannot believe they don't hear what I hear because to me it's so blatant - but it would appear they don't hear it - or are willing to sacrifice a measure of sonic realism for the unmatched dynamics. And if anyone really likes the sound of the V-Piano then for them it represents a unique commodity - a near perfect digital piano.

Cheers,

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#1991826 - 11/28/12 05:50 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bobpickle]
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Originally Posted By: Bobpickle
as a curious passerby, thanks for the credible and thorough review of the V-Piano, EssBrace. As someone who unfortunately lives far from music stores (especially those that would have such a digital on display to try), I always find such well-thought-out reviews interesting and thought-provoking.


There are some fine performances by concert pianists (Yana Reznik, among others) of virtuoso repertoire on the V-Piano Grand on Youtube, played in classical concert settings, the same way they'd be performing on acoustic concert grands like the Steinway D - no artificial amplification or sound manipulation, just the sounds from the V-Grand's own speakers, with mikes at a judicious distance from the instrument.

I think it's significant that among DPs, only Roland's V-Piano Grand - which is basically the V-Piano in a cabinet with dedicated speakers - has been tested in such surroundings and such a manner. Listen carefully to the nuances at all tonal and dynamic ranges, and note in particular the dynamic range and power of the Roland, even within the recording limitations of Youtube - I can attest that in the flesh, the sound and depth of tone and color you can draw from the instrument (once it's been appropriately tweaked) is well-nigh indistinguishable from that of an acoustic concert grand, as I played on the V-P Grand myself following its London debut in the RCM concert hall last year.

As for its sound per se, if you can hear any 'artificiality' in its mid-range (as our dear friend EB keeps claiming grin), then look up all EB's previous posts on the V-P to get a greater insight into exactly what it is he's hearing, for they're undoubtedly extremely insightful grin. If you don't, but instead hear what sounds like a rich-sounding grand piano, look up my previous reviews on this forum, including of that RCM concert. There're also many other comments from other happy V-P owners, who rarely post here, not to mention many rave reviews in several publications - none of which mentioned any so-called 'mid-range' problems that EB claims everyone with ears not blocked with wax should be able to hear...(look up the reviews in Performing Musician, Sound on Sound among others). In fact, as far as I know, this is the only place where 'mid-range' issues have cropped up and been discussed ad nauseam, ad infinitum, ad....

BTW, why is it that Yamaha, despite having so many classical pianists on its rosters, never tried to put on a classical concert using the AG, unamplified, unadulterated?
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#1991830 - 11/28/12 06:24 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
BTW, why is it that Yamaha, despite having so many classical pianists on its rosters, never tried to put on a classical concert using the AG, unamplified, unadulterated?


Because Yamaha is an acoustic piano company, and one of the most highly respected names in classical music. They don't need to pretend that the AvantGrand is comparable to a CFX concert grand piano. Nobody would believe them.

Roland on the other hand is not an acoustic piano company, and consequently is not as well respected a name in classical music. They need to pretend that the V-Piano Grand is comparable to a concert grand because, well, that's the 'best' instrument they have. Alas, nobody believes them.

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#1991838 - 11/28/12 07:18 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Kawai James]
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They don't need to pretend that the AvantGrand is comparable to a CFX concert grand piano. Nobody would believe them.

Roland on the other hand is not an acoustic piano company, and consequently is not a terribly well respected name in classical music. They need to pretend that the V-Piano Grand is comparable to a concert grand because, well, that's the 'best' instrument they have. Alas, nobody believes them.

James
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Except me, of course grin. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If I hadn't been open-minded enough to try out the V-Piano despite its off-putting appearance - a black slab on a stand, bearing no resemblance to what I thought a piano substitute should look like -, I'd probably have ended up with a Yamaha DP (which back in 2010 was the only DP brand I'd heard of, and thought worthy of a classical pianist's attention) and still been looking every 6 months to find a replacement ever since......
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#1991849 - 11/28/12 08:04 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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I own neither a V or an AG. However, the V-piano is the digital piano of choice for many professional settings in Philadelphia.

For instance, Enon Tabernacle, Philadelphia's largest church (15k members) uses one. Several recording studios and performing bands do as well.

I am told that many recordings coming out of Philly (mostly pop) are actually on the V-Piano, although this is second hand info. from a customer of an acoustic piano who owns a recording studio.

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#1991912 - 11/28/12 11:31 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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About piano "sound."

I wonder what percentage of people could hear a superior sounding piano and know it? A small percentage? Maybe.

Problem is 10 piano experts could hear the same piano and have 10 different opinions about it. How much of what we hear is subjective and how much is objective?

But still, I tend to think some people can hear a superior piano while many wouldn't know one if they heard it. Musical sensitivity, musical accuracy-whatever, I think this is true.

As I've been told before--and I know it's true--they only way I can know if I like the V-Piano sound is to actually try one out. For what it's worth, and not much, what I hear on YouTube does not impress me. Using good headphones. I often hear too much of an electronic sound from the V-Piano. Again, I KNOW I must try one out in person to really know for sure.

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#1991924 - 11/28/12 11:57 AM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Originally Posted By: Rich Galassini
I own neither a V or an AG. However, the V-piano is the digital piano of choice for many professional settings in Philadelphia.

For instance, Enon Tabernacle, Philadelphia's largest church (15k members) uses one. Several recording studios and performing bands do as well.

I am told that many recordings coming out of Philly (mostly pop) are actually on the V-Piano, although this is second hand info. from a customer of an acoustic piano who owns a recording studio.

My 2 cents,





That's interesting - from what I've read on the Roland brochures and websites on the V-Piano, Roland envisaged the V-Piano being used as a studio piano for just such purposes. Which makes sense, because it's unlikely to appeal to out-and-out classical pianists like myself (I'm of course a rare specimen grin) with its space-age looks, and it's too heavy to be carried around everywhere by gigging pop/rock musicians who need a keyboard. Not to mention the fact that it only produces piano sounds.

But as a studio piano, it has many advantages: pianists can customize the settings to suit their purposes, and store them as presets - up to 100 different ones - to use when they return for their next recording session. So, in theory, you can have 100 different pianists, each using their own customizations whenever they come to record.

Roland's V-Piano Grand, however, seems to be targeted directly at classical pianists (though Lady Gaga also used it when she performed in England last year....), by the way they introduced it to the world with a series of classical concerts in major cities around the globe last year. But classical musicians are a pretty conservative bunch. Some won't even play on anything other than a Steinway.....
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#1991952 - 11/28/12 01:10 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Kawai James]
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Because Yamaha is an acoustic piano company, and one of the most highly respected names in classical music. They don't need to pretend that the AvantGrand is comparable to a CFX concert grand piano. Nobody would believe them.

Yamaha seems to market the AG as better than a real grand:

"Feel and experience a piano sound that you have never had before from this stunning and elegant instrument"

"In pursuit of the Grand Piano in everything such sound, touch and action. With a design embodying the latest in technology, Yamaha signals a new direction for the piano. This, our flagship model, is the ultimate expression of "Innovation with soul." A keyboard and pedals indistinguishable from those of a grand piano. Stunningly authentic tactile response. Speakers with the authority and presence to deliver flawless sound... The AvantGrand N3 weaves advanced technology into an extraordinary design that gives form to Yamaha's aspirations for the future."


I particularly like the "flawless sound" part. The speakers might be up to it, but not the sound generator.
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#1991958 - 11/28/12 01:32 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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Come on, dewsie. That's just market-speak.

When I apply a "truth filter" to that text it becomes:

Feel and experience a piano sound ... blah blah blah ... deleted.

In unsuccessful pursuit of the Grand Piano in everything such sound, touch and action. With a design embodying the latest in technology as of 1998, Yamaha signals a new direction for the piano. This, our flagship model, is the ultimate expression of "Innovation with soul-la-ti-d'oh".

A keyboard and pedals indistinguishable from those of a grand piano aka 'brass'.

Stunningly authentic tactile response. Push on the keys and they move downwards!

Speakers with the authority and presence to deliver flawless sound. Now if we could just deliver a flawless signal to them ...

The AvantGrand N3 weaves advanced technology into an extraordinary design that gives form to Yamaha's aspirations for the future. Translation: We hope to get it right someday.

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#1991977 - 11/28/12 02:29 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: bennevis
BTW, why is it that Yamaha, despite having so many classical pianists on its rosters, never tried to put on a classical concert using the AG, unamplified, unadulterated?


Because Yamaha is an acoustic piano company, and one of the most highly respected names in classical music. They don't need to pretend that the AvantGrand is comparable to a CFX concert grand piano. Nobody would believe them.

Roland on the other hand is not an acoustic piano company, and consequently is not a terribly well respected name in classical music. They need to pretend that the V-Piano Grand is comparable to a concert grand because, well, that's the 'best' instrument they have. Alas, nobody believes them.

James
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Hmm, you appear to have missed the size and price benefit of the V-Grand over a Boesendorfer Imperial 290 Grand, I wonder if Roland are promoting those aspects, rather than, "pretending" anything?
I must say, if that is their angle, I for one believe them.

There would certainly be an advantage in Yamaha "pretending", as you claim Roland are. Most of us simply don't have room, money or commitment to an acoustic piano and Yamaha would expand their market potential by the sort of demonstration bennevis refers to.

Many people on these forums could fork out a lot of money for an acoustic piano and still end up with a sound they dislike from any manufacturer. This, "Roland don't have respect/ sound good/ measure up/ attain the quality/ whatever..." argument, trotted out because Roland don't make acoustic pianos is a red herring promoted by people with an axe to grind. (Ah, the blessed mixed metaphore.)

The overall Roland sound has as good a piano tone as any other DP, allowing for personal taste, and as good and better than many acoustic pianos, as is the touch.

A claim that Roland has little respect in the classical world can only be seen as opinion.

A Roland RD700NX, a modern electronic computer, dressed as a piano, (just as is every other electric piano) even has classical temperments hidden away, not too deeply in it's intuiative menu's.

They are brilliant pianos, (I admit, in my opinion), personally I don't like anything else, but that doesn't mean other makes are bad,(even if they are historically hide-bound and limited by producing acoustic pianos!) lack respect, or should be avoided.
However,I must make it absolutely plain,I have absolutely no idea what Roland are, "pretending", neither do I know if anybody believes them.

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#1992006 - 11/28/12 03:25 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Come on, dewsie. That's just market-speak.

When I apply a "truth filter" to that text it becomes:

Feel and experience a piano sound ... blah blah blah ... deleted.

In unsuccessful pursuit of the Grand Piano in everything such sound, touch and action. With a design embodying the latest in technology as of 1998, Yamaha signals a new direction for the piano. This, our flagship model, is the ultimate expression of "Innovation with soul-la-ti-d'oh".

A keyboard and pedals indistinguishable from those of a grand piano aka 'brass'.

Stunningly authentic tactile response. Push on the keys and they move downwards!

Speakers with the authority and presence to deliver flawless sound. Now if we could just deliver a flawless signal to them ...

The AvantGrand N3 weaves advanced technology into an extraordinary design that gives form to Yamaha's aspirations for the future. Translation: We hope to get it right someday.


LOL...this is too funny! Thanks for a much-needed laugh, Mac!

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#1992008 - 11/28/12 03:32 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Bech]
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I saw on a forum, that Mark Knopfler's pianist (not keyboard player), will tour next year using a v-piano instead of the usual Grand. Interestingly I think that forum post got removed, at least I can't find it now. MK et al are, like most seasoned musicians, highly professional and demanding about their sound, in studio and on tour. The piano would I suppose mostly be 'part of the mix' (unlike MK's guitar). You can take this as gossip I suppose.

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#1992017 - 11/28/12 03:54 PM Re: Roland RP 301 compared to the V-Piano [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James

Roland on the other hand is not an acoustic piano company, and consequently is not a terribly well respected name in classical music. They need to pretend that the V-Piano Grand is comparable to a concert grand because, well, that's the 'best' instrument they have. Alas, nobody believes them.

James
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Not being snarky here but had to go and look for myself...

From Kawai: The Concert Artist series will transform all notions of how good digital pianos can be. From the latest in sound technology and action design, to its innovative Soundboard Speaker System, the CA95 captures the essence of playing a fine concert grand piano.
Kawai

and from Yamaha: Clavinova's refined sound, touch and pedals exhibit the essential expressive capabilities of a piano.
Sound, touch, pedals. The goal is to achieve the true expressive capability of a grand piano, which can happen only when these three factors are in harmony. This digital piano features attractive functions as well as piano-like design and performance.
Yamaha

Seems to me that could be considered pretending, could it not? Just because a company makes acoustics doesn't make their claims any more valid then the next company. I'd say they are all "pretenders" in that context.
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