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#1991024 - 11/26/12 10:57 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Looking at Sweetwater, the Casio PX-350 comes up in the #1 spot, and the Yamaha P-105 is #3. That can hardly be an indication of sales popularity as these two models are effectively brand new, and will not yet have built up sales volumes anywhere near their predecessors. I suspect that "most popular" means how many people have viewed those pages over the last few days.

I agree that they cannot possibly be listed in order of ALL TIME best selling. I assume its a rolling period... i.e. best selling in the last day or week or month, but we don't know what the period is, or how it is weighted (i.e. if it's for some number of days, perhaps most recent days count more heavily). I thought it was kind of strange for you to leap from "it can't be all time sales volume" right to "it's probably recent page views," skipping right over the (IMO more likely) possibility in between, that it's recent sales. The MF site is less ambiguous, it specifically uses the phrase "best selling." But I would guess that that's the criteria Sweetwater is using for "Most Popular" as well, that makes more sense than basing it on page views.

Anyway, those rankings would not have been relevant to Dr Popper's comment of the CP1/5/50 having outsold competitors, except for the fact that he said that they still do, which makes current sales ranking relevant. I don't know of any source to compare sales of different models over the long haul. AFAIK, most companies don't release sales figures (certainly not product by product). But many sites will give you sales rankings of products on a day-to-day basis (perhaps some rolling window of days, as I said), and if you followed that for a while on multiple sites, you'd probably be able to determine a pattern of what is out-selling what.

Anecdotally, someone at a Sam Ash location told me a while back that these CPs were not great sellers... and while that is just one store, I suspect it is true chain-wide because, while you can find them in the flagship Manhattan store, I have not seen them in the some satellite stores I've been to. I don't know what criteria they use to bring things into different stores, it's probably a mix of different things and not strictly sales popularity, but I think it's pretty safe to assume that if a model was flying out the door at the flagship, they would make sure they had it in their satellites as well. So I suspect Sam Ash has not had the typical Yamaha success with these models. (You do find many other Yamahas at the satellite stores.) And of course, that's somewhat self-perpetuating... if Sam Ash is not putting them on the floor in as many of their stores, they're not going to sell as many.

I'm not saying they're total dogs sales wise, but I think there are indications that they are not the market leaders that Yamahas so often are. That's why I was wondering what the source was for Dr Popper's assertion.

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#1991043 - 11/26/12 11:29 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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It's not scientific, but in the prices paid thread as of MacMacMac's spreadsheet there were a total of two CP5's and three CP50's sold cumulatively by reporting forum members. Compare that to 15 FP7F's and 22 FP7's. I suppose one of those would be the competitor in Roland. In Kawai we have the MP6 at 6 and the MP10 at 10. Not a great showing considering the chatter they get here, but still more than the CP's. We can't conclude anything, but I think there's evidence that the CP5/50 have not sold all that well.


Edited by gvfarns (11/26/12 11:45 AM)

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#1991057 - 11/26/12 12:09 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: anotherscott]
voxpops Offline
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
I thought it was kind of strange for you to leap from "it can't be all time sales volume" right to "it's probably recent page views," skipping right over the (IMO more likely) possibility in between, that it's recent sales.

There was method in my madness, Scott. If it's based on recent sales, the fact that the PX-350 outsells the RD-700NX (ranked #2) is unsurprising; but the idea that the RD-700NX at $2.7k outsells the P-105 at $600 is, frankly, ludicrous, especially in the run-up to Christmas - unless the rankings are based on such a short time period as to make the whole thing meaningless. That's why I thought it was more likely aspirational page views than actual sales.

But whichever take on the "most popular" criterion is correct, my gut feeling is that the CP1/5/50 sales are fewer than the RDs. I have nothing to back that up, of course!

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#1991061 - 11/26/12 12:15 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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Your post had me wondering ... so I tallied the Prices Paid listings.
Here are all models for which at least 4 sales were recorded:
Code:
MAKE    MODEL   COUNT
Kawai   CA63     37
Yamaha  CLP340   37
Yamaha  CLP240   24
Roland  FP7      24
Casio   PX330    24
Yamaha  P155     23
Roland  HP207    22
Roland  FP7F     17
Roland  HP307    13
Casio   PX130    13
Kawai   CA93     12
Yamaha  CLP280   12
Kawai   CN33     12
Kawai   MP10     11
Roland  RD700NX  10
Yamaha  CP300     9
Yamaha  CP33      9
Roland  FP4       9
Yamaha  P140      9
Casio   PX800     9
Yamaha  YDP160    9
Yamaha  CLP370    8
Kawai   ES6       8
Roland  HP203     8
Kawai   MP6       8
Kawai   CA91      7
Yamaha  CLP230    7
Yamaha  CLP320    7
Yamaha  CLP330    7
Kawai   CN23      7
Yamaha  P95       7
Casio   PX320     7
Roland  RD700GX   7
Yamaha  CLP380    6
Kawai   CN43      6
Yamaha  CVP407    6
Yamaha  P85       6
Roland  V-Piano   6
Yamaha  YDP161    6
Kawai   CA51      5
Kawai   CE200     5
Yamaha  CLP270    5
Yamaha  CLP430    5
Yamaha  CLP440    5
Roland  HP305     5
Kawai   MP8       5
Kawai   MP8II     5
Yamaha  N1        5
Casio   PX120     5
Casio   PX200     5
Yamaha  YDP140    5
Yamaha  YPG625    5
Casio   AP220     4
Yamaha  CVP401    4
Yamaha  DGX640    4
Casio   PX310     4
Casio   PX350     4
Roland  RD700SX   4
Roland  RP101     4
Yamaha  S90ES     4
Yamaha  YPG635    4

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#1991065 - 11/26/12 12:23 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Your post had me wondering ... so I tallied the Prices Paid listings.
Here are all models for which at least 4 sales were recorded:
Code:
MAKE    MODEL   COUNT
Kawai   CA63     37
Yamaha  CLP340   37
Yamaha  CLP240   24
Roland  FP7      24
Casio   PX330    24
Yamaha  P155     23
Roland  HP207    22
Roland  FP7F     17
Roland  HP307    13
Casio   PX130    13
Kawai   CA93     12
Yamaha  CLP280   12
Kawai   CN33     12
Kawai   MP10     11
Roland  RD700NX  10
Yamaha  CP300     9
Yamaha  CP33      9
Roland  FP4       9
Yamaha  P140      9
Casio   PX800     9
Yamaha  YDP160    9
Yamaha  CLP370    8
Kawai   ES6       8
Roland  HP203     8
Kawai   MP6       8
Kawai   CA91      7
Yamaha  CLP230    7
Yamaha  CLP320    7
Yamaha  CLP330    7
Kawai   CN23      7
Yamaha  P95       7
Casio   PX320     7
Roland  RD700GX   7
Yamaha  CLP380    6
Kawai   CN43      6
Yamaha  CVP407    6
Yamaha  P85       6
Roland  V-Piano   6
Yamaha  YDP161    6
Kawai   CA51      5
Kawai   CE200     5
Yamaha  CLP270    5
Yamaha  CLP430    5
Yamaha  CLP440    5
Roland  HP305     5
Kawai   MP8       5
Kawai   MP8II     5
Yamaha  N1        5
Casio   PX120     5
Casio   PX200     5
Yamaha  YDP140    5
Yamaha  YPG625    5
Casio   AP220     4
Yamaha  CVP401    4
Yamaha  DGX640    4
Casio   PX310     4
Casio   PX350     4
Roland  RD700SX   4
Roland  RP101     4
Yamaha  S90ES     4
Yamaha  YPG635    4

So the V-Piano has equal sales to the YDP-161 and more than the HP-305. That appears to be more a reflection of the type of people who frequent this forum than global sales. I would also add that I think KJ's presence has a significant impact on Kawai sales here, compared to their overall performance in the market. Interesting tally, though.

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#1991066 - 11/26/12 12:25 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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MAC's list is interesting. The tally of CA63 and CLP-340 in particular. I reckon the reality is that the CLP outsells the Kawai to a factor of 10 (or maybe even more). So the most interesting thing about the stats on the prices paid thread is that is shows how unrepresentative we must be of DP buyers in general.

Imagine a car forum where people very interested in the technical merits of cars go. You could see similar numbers of Caterhams to Fords and Bugattis to Toyotas. Because to those interested in technical stuff and who also have a real passion for the topic a Caterham is more interesting than a Ford and so on. But in the "real world" the Ford sells millions and the Caterham sells hundreds. I think our forum completely disguises the market penetration of Yamaha. We have totally skewed the debate to Roland and Kawai because we are passionate and motivated to discover what the smaller makers are doing.
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#1991128 - 11/26/12 02:40 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: voxpops]
anotherscott Offline
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
If it's based on recent sales, the fact that the PX-350 outsells the RD-700NX (ranked #2) is unsurprising; but the idea that the RD-700NX at $2.7k outsells the P-105 at $600 is, frankly, ludicrous, especially in the run-up to Christmas - unless the rankings are based on such a short time period as to make the whole thing meaningless.


Whatever the time period is, it can be skewed in any given time period for one reason or another, so I think you'd have to keep an eye on it over time to get a more accurate read. For example, the RD-700NX could easily have been expected to outsell the P105 over the last x days if the P105 was out of stock for some of that time, prompting some potential P105 customers to purchase elsewhere or purchase a different model rather than wait, and periods of low stock are not uncommon for new models.

I also wonder whether mail-order places like Sweetwater and MF may have a mix that leans more toward the high end, compared to the sales of a local brick and mortar store. The local store lends itself to more impulse buys (which favor lower priced products), and also, the sales tax savings motivation for shopping out of state is much more significant on higher priced products. I guess where I'm going on this is that I'm more comfortable using those sites as a guide toward which comparably priced pieces are outselling which, than I am about their being a good indicator of overall total unit sales regardless of price.

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#1991245 - 11/26/12 08:26 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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Originally Posted By: Rhodie73
I remember thinking to myself how much potential they had but seemed somewhat half baked by Yamaha.


You've described these keyboards very well, and it matches my experience with them. I had a CP5 in my studio for three weeks, and I really wanted to like it, but it just came up lacking in ways that you and others have already described. I sent it back, and got a CP33 and a Muse Receptor instead.

Too bad about these CPs. Man I was all ready for something great, and then...whatever...

Mychal

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#1991283 - 11/26/12 11:51 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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I recently purchased (with a lot of assistance from my parents) a CP-50. I went to a local music store, hoping in particular to try a P-155, but they didn't have any of that model. My decision to buy it was impulsive and I was honestly worried that I would end up regretting it. After almost a week of relatively heavy use I still enjoy it a lot. I'm a music major and find that practicing on my CP-50 is better than 95% of the pianos offered in the practice rooms (which are mostly well regulated Yamahas, Kawais, and Steinways).
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#1991285 - 11/27/12 12:09 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: johannus]
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Originally Posted By: johannus
I'm a music major and find that practicing on my CP-50 is better than 95% of the pianos offered in the practice rooms (which are mostly well regulated Yamahas, Kawais, and Steinways).


What the heck man. Sorry, that is messed up.

Mychal

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#1991286 - 11/27/12 12:10 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
voxpops Offline
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Glad to know you're enjoying your CP50, johannus. We've had few actual owners commenting on that particular model, and it would be nice to hear your thoughts as you become more used to it. Meanwhile, good luck with your studies!

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#1991291 - 11/27/12 12:25 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: johannus]
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Originally Posted By: johannus
I'm a music major and find that practicing on my CP-50 is better than 95% of the pianos offered in the practice rooms (which are mostly well regulated Yamahas, Kawais, and Steinways).


Huh? Seriously? How could a "music major" find practicing on a CP50 better than most of well regulated respectable acoustics? This truly makes no sense to me.
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#1991325 - 11/27/12 05:19 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Melodialworks Music]
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Originally Posted By: Melodialworks Music
Originally Posted By: johannus
I'm a music major and find that practicing on my CP-50 is better than 95% of the pianos offered in the practice rooms (which are mostly well regulated Yamahas, Kawais, and Steinways).


Huh? Seriously? How could a "music major" find practicing on a CP50 better than most of well regulated respectable acoustics? This truly makes no sense to me.


The only answer could be that the practice pianos aren't so well regulated. Unless the reason is that this poster prefers easy actions - certainly wouldn't prepare you as well for performing on a grand.

BTW, most practice pianos I used at conservatories were anything but well regulated - they were thrashed out pianos with sloppy actions and compressed hammers.

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#1991330 - 11/27/12 05:31 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Melodialworks Music]
Dave Horne Offline
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Originally Posted By: Melodialworks Music
Originally Posted By: johannus
I'm a music major and find that practicing on my CP-50 is better than 95% of the pianos offered in the practice rooms (which are mostly well regulated Yamahas, Kawais, and Steinways).


Huh? Seriously? How could a "music major" find practicing on a CP50 better than most of well regulated respectable acoustics? This truly makes no sense to me.


I for one am constantly irritated by out of tune pianos. I've played pianos with an excellent action but when that same piano is out of tune, it just takes all the fun out of it.

If I have to choose on playing a job on an out of tune acoustic piano or a perfectly in tune digital, I'll go for the perfectly in tune digital. Everything's a trade off and everyone has different standards.
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#1991331 - 11/27/12 05:38 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
Unless the reason is that this poster prefers easy actions - certainly wouldn't prepare you as well for performing on a grand.

CP50 is not an easy action.

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#1991332 - 11/27/12 05:39 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Dave Horne]
Peakly Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
Everything's a trade off and everyone has different standards.


Except he said the school has well regulated Steinways.

If they really are, then get thee hence into a room with a $50k real thing and forget the $1500 simulator.

Mychal

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#1991337 - 11/27/12 06:01 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: ando
Unless the reason is that this poster prefers easy actions - certainly wouldn't prepare you as well for performing on a grand.

CP50 is not an easy action.


Well if that's true, there no sense whatsoever in that post!

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#1991354 - 11/27/12 07:41 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
. That's why I was wondering what the source was for Dr Popper's assertion.


Sometimes I just know trivial stuff like that ....I might come across it in my meanderings here and there.
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#1991394 - 11/27/12 09:16 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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There are about 50 pianos in the practice rooms. I don't have access to the five grand pianos (except for when I'm taking lessons from my teacher) and two of them aren't very good at all. The other three are great to play on, and if I were able to play them at all times I wouldn't really need a digital. The uprights are mostly in good condition as far as intonation but the actions vary a lot even among pianos of the same model. There are a few uprights that are more than sufficient for practicing on, but for the rest I found that I would practice on them and struggle to make dynamic contrasts and voicing until I played my lesson on a grand. I also think the action on my digital is closer to the good grands than the action of the uprights. Combine this with the convenience of being able to practice virtually whenever and I'm extremely satisfied.
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#1991434 - 11/27/12 11:02 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Peakly]
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Originally Posted By: Peakly
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
Everything's a trade off and everyone has different standards.


Except he said the school has well regulated Steinways.

If they really are, then get thee hence into a room with a $50k real thing and forget the $1500 simulator.

Mychal


... yea, but a well regulated piano that is out of tune would drive me crazy, thus my ... everything's a trade off and everyone has different standards remark.
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#1991469 - 11/27/12 12:17 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Peakly]
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There are only two and while one is outstanding the other is one of the grands that are relatively poor and to me is frustrating to practice on (really poor action even in comparison to the average uprights). It's mostly Kawai and Yamaha uprights which most are okay, a couple are good, but there are a decent amount that are extremely frustrating to practice on.
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#1991487 - 11/27/12 12:58 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: johannus]
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Originally Posted By: johannus
There are about 50 pianos in the practice rooms. I don't have access to the five grand pianos (except for when I'm taking lessons from my teacher) and two of them aren't very good at all. The other three are great to play on, and if I were able to play them at all times I wouldn't really need a digital. The uprights are mostly in good condition as far as intonation but the actions vary a lot even among pianos of the same model. There are a few uprights that are more than sufficient for practicing on, but for the rest I found that I would practice on them and struggle to make dynamic contrasts and voicing until I played my lesson on a grand. I also think the action on my digital is closer to the good grands than the action of the uprights. Combine this with the convenience of being able to practice virtually whenever and I'm extremely satisfied.


So in other words, you don't have access to many well regulated or tuned pianos at all...

A quality grand will absolutely smoke your digital. A decent upright has a much higher dynamic range than a Yamaha digital. You are comparing poorly maintained pianos with your digital. The comparison is meaningless as far as I'm concerned.

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#1991494 - 11/27/12 01:12 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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Lighten up guys - your replies are not coming over particularly friendly manner. I am sure the CP5 is a fine instrument to practice on. Quite often college pianos have a pretty hard life. Also when they are tuned all the pianos are done over a relatively short period of time by a grossly underpaid and overworked piano tuner. As a result possibly not much time is spent on each piano with only the top ones being tuned carefully.

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#1991496 - 11/27/12 01:18 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: funkycornwall]
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Originally Posted By: funkycornwall
Lighten up guys - your replies are not coming over particularly friendly manner. I am sure the CP5 is a fine instrument to practice on. Quite often college pianos have a pretty hard life. Also when they are tuned all the pianos are done over a relatively short period of time by a grossly underpaid and overworked piano tuner. As a result possibly not much time is spent on each piano with only the top ones being tuned carefully.


Which is why they shouldn't have been described as "mostly well regulated Yamahas, Kawais, and Steinways". If he had described them as "mostly worn and poorly maintained and tuned practice pianos", then it would make perfect sense to prefer a quality digital for practising. I know what practice room pianos are like - they aren't "well" anything!

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#1991518 - 11/27/12 01:59 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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Well … actually I'm still pretty happy with my CP5. A few points match my personal experiences as follows:

- Acoustic pianos – for my jazz work they work very well. I liked them better than the competitors, and their ability to blend with the ensemble makes my work a lot easier. With the CP5 I have little to worry in terms of my sound. What seems absolutely far out to me, though, is that they didn't include the last bit of detail, like true sympathetic resonance, pedal noises and so on. I'm sure Yamaha does have the knowledge. I also don't understand why they left out upright sounds or a Bosendorfer - heck, they even own the company!

- User interface - actually I think it's not so bad. I seriously think it's logical and well thought through, however, it needs a little effort to understand it. Insofar I can absolutely understand people losing their interest.

- Size and weight - the CP5 is too heavy and pretty bulky without a good reason. Still, I think it is easier to grab than the RD700. The CP50 seems alright to me.
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#1991521 - 11/27/12 02:11 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: Rhodie73]
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I would love to have a Cp1, I love the action, but at $5k it makes no sense. The depreciation on electronic gear is too steep.
So, I drag my 20 imac to the gig and use Ivory and Lounge lizard plugins. At least the plugins are upgradable and the sounds are as good (Wurlitzer on Lounge lizard is better for sure) than the CP1. The down side is that there are a lot of variables that could go wrong getting the sound from the computer to out the speaker. (Like forgetting the dongle at home frown )
I think manufacturers are going to have to step up their game, bring down the cost and make the gear upgradeable or software is going to knock them out of the game completely.


Edited by Pete the bean (11/27/12 02:13 PM)

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#1991527 - 11/27/12 02:18 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: andi85]
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The one time I A/B ed the CP5 & 1 at Yamaha HQ, the CP1 was clearly fuller and thicker on the CF Grand & Rhodes. Now whether that fullness would be apparent in a live situation with bass and drums, I'd question that. More noticeable for solo playing and probably on a recording.
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#1991574 - 11/27/12 03:51 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: funkycornwall]
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Originally Posted By: funkycornwall
Lighten up guys - your replies are not coming over particularly friendly manner.


Actually, a post starting like this doesn't seem particularly friendly!
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#1991790 - 11/28/12 01:54 AM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: johannus]
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Originally Posted By: johannus
It's mostly Kawai and Yamaha uprights which most are okay, a couple are good, but there are a decent amount that are extremely frustrating to practice on.


I've been there. It was pretty much like that at the college I went to in Texas, and at another college in Oregon where I used to sneak into the practice rooms : )

That's cool that your digital keyboard is helping you learn to play. I've played a lot of different keyboards besides pianos, including some great pipe organs. Open one of those up, pull the stops out, and that is an experience you won't get from a piano or a digital keyboard!

Mychal

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#1992212 - 11/28/12 11:47 PM Re: Were the lastest Yamaha CP series a flop? [Re: ando]
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I guess I should have specified that I meant most of them are pretty well regulated, not that there are many extremely well regulated pianos. I could see where someone would misinterpret that.
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