Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) Yamaha CP4 Rebate
Yamaha CP4 Rebate
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
149 registered (accordeur, ajames, Alan Tripp, Almaviva, 37 invisible), 1745 Guests and 14 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Topic Options
#1992564 - 11/29/12 07:29 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
Kreisler Offline



Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13825
Loc: Iowa City, IA
Those interested in this kind of writing should look into the other lesser-known Russian romantics:

Lyapunov, Arensky, Medtner

(Especially the Transcendental Etudes by Lyapunov, they're amazing!)
_________________________
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#1992601 - 11/29/12 09:30 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
pianoloverus Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/29/01
Posts: 19953
Loc: New York City
Some of the examples given so far seem to fit the description mentioned in the OP but many don't I think. Among those that don't I'd include most of the Chopin Nocturnes, Beethoven Op.27 No.2, Op. 14 No.1, WoO70, Brahms Ballad, D. Scarlatti.

Reminds me of some of the answers to the mystery rag thread where the OP specifically mentioned tremolos and many of the suggested answers had no tremolos whatsoever.

Top
#1992982 - 11/30/12 08:20 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: pianoloverus]
Ridicolosamente Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/08/08
Posts: 1469
Loc: Miami, Florida, USA
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Some of the examples given so far seem to fit the description mentioned in the OP but many don't I think. Among those that don't I'd include most of the Chopin Nocturnes, Beethoven Op.27 No.2, Op. 14 No.1, WoO70, Brahms Ballad, D. Scarlatti.

Reminds me of some of the answers to the mystery rag thread where the OP specifically mentioned tremolos and many of the suggested answers had no tremolos whatsoever.
Funny. I know my Beethoven WoO70 doesn't have 3-octave spanning arpeggios, I still think it's a good early example. I did find some of the other suggestions bizarre myself.

But it's the Internet and PW. You always get that "er.. what?" chime-in, and you'll always have people like me that defend what they write smile

-Daniel
_________________________
Currently working on:
-Dane Rudhyar's Stars from Pentagrams No 3

Top
#1992994 - 11/30/12 09:02 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
dracaa Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/31/12
Posts: 65
I guess the catalyst for my question is that this is the particular style that lured me back into classical music, but there are other more difficult styles in classical music that I am not attempting at this time.

The point being when somebody asks me what style piano I like to play, it is inaccurate for me to state I play generic "classical piano". I want to describe the style yet I don't know how to describe this style other than Rachmaninoff style, which is misleading since only a small part of Rach's overall style was influential although he is my favorite composer/pianist. How do I describe this playing style?
_________________________
Kohler and Campbell skg-600s 5'9 grand (newly acquired)
I'm not a tech but ambitiously learning out of necessity
since I live in the middle of nowhere and getting a tech
to come out here for minor things (that I could and want
to learn to do myself) is prohibitively expensive.

Top
#1993096 - 12/01/12 07:34 AM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
wr Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 8197
Originally Posted By: dracaa
I guess the catalyst for my question is that this is the particular style that lured me back into classical music, but there are other more difficult styles in classical music that I am not attempting at this time.

The point being when somebody asks me what style piano I like to play, it is inaccurate for me to state I play generic "classical piano". I want to describe the style yet I don't know how to describe this style other than Rachmaninoff style, which is misleading since only a small part of Rach's overall style was influential although he is my favorite composer/pianist. How do I describe this playing style?


I don't get it. If you are playing a piece by Rachmaninoff, then you are playing classical piano music (which isn't really a style, but a genre). It is accurate to describe a piece by Rachmaninoff as "classical music".

There isn't a "style" descriptor for music that simply is a tune in octaves over big arpeggios. It's just another of the myriad of homophonic textures available to a composer. The fact that you've singled it out as something that Rachmaninoff does at times doesn't mean that it is a "style".

Top
#1993102 - 12/01/12 07:55 AM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: Ridicolosamente]
pianoloverus Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/29/01
Posts: 19953
Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: Ridicolosamente
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Some of the examples given so far seem to fit the description mentioned in the OP but many don't I think. Among those that don't I'd include most of the Chopin Nocturnes, Beethoven Op.27 No.2, Op. 14 No.1, WoO70, Brahms Ballad, D. Scarlatti.

Reminds me of some of the answers to the mystery rag thread where the OP specifically mentioned tremolos and many of the suggested answers had no tremolos whatsoever.
Funny. I know my Beethoven WoO70 doesn't have 3-octave spanning arpeggios, I still think it's a good early example. I did find some of the other suggestions bizarre myself.
From the score you posted the arpeggios never go beyond even a single octave and thus, I think, cannot be described as "sweeping". I'm not sure most would even classify the figures in that piece as arpeggios... to me they're more like an extended alberti bass.


Edited by pianoloverus (12/01/12 07:59 AM)

Top
#1993172 - 12/01/12 12:00 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
jeffreyjones Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 2432
Loc: San Jose, CA
Originally Posted By: dracaa
I guess the catalyst for my question is that this is the particular style that lured me back into classical music, but there are other more difficult styles in classical music that I am not attempting at this time.

The point being when somebody asks me what style piano I like to play, it is inaccurate for me to state I play generic "classical piano". I want to describe the style yet I don't know how to describe this style other than Rachmaninoff style, which is misleading since only a small part of Rach's overall style was influential although he is my favorite composer/pianist. How do I describe this playing style?


You're thinking like a bad pop pianist; you have one trick and can apply it to everything. It's a severely limited and confining view of musicianship and you should abandon it as soon as you possibly can, even if you have no pretensions of being a classical musician.

Top
#2001223 - 12/18/12 03:01 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: jeffreyjones]
dracaa Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/31/12
Posts: 65
Originally Posted By: jeffreyjones
you have one trick and can apply it to everything. It's a severely limited and confining view of musicianship and you should abandon it as soon as you possibly can, even if you have no pretensions of being a classical musician.


I've been tossing around in my brain what you stated above. Are you discouraging playing by ear? Because improvisation & playing by ear involves a lot of reapplied "tricks" and I understand that may be contrary to what's taught in classical musicianship.
_________________________
Kohler and Campbell skg-600s 5'9 grand (newly acquired)
I'm not a tech but ambitiously learning out of necessity
since I live in the middle of nowhere and getting a tech
to come out here for minor things (that I could and want
to learn to do myself) is prohibitively expensive.

Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
Shop our Store for Music Lovers!
PianoSupplies.com is Piano World's Online Store
Please visit our store today.
circle of 5ths coaster
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Hal Leonard Teacher VIP
Hal Leonard Teacher VIP Your Source for Piano Music
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Zeroing in on the Pitch
by Bill Bremmer RPT
04/01/15 02:25 PM
Whites vs blacks? which keys are better to start with?
by YadielOmar
04/01/15 01:34 PM
Duets on 1 or 2 pianos?
by chasingrainbows
04/01/15 10:58 AM
If your life was described by a piece of music
by pianoloverus
04/01/15 10:46 AM
When - and why - does a pianist become 'famous'?
by bennevis
04/01/15 10:32 AM
What's Hot!!
Trade Regrets: Gary Trafton - Piano Rep
--------------------
Historic Piano Documents
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Forum Stats
78,727 Registered Members
43 Forums
162,907 Topics
2,391,183 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission