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#1992564 - 11/29/12 07:29 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
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Those interested in this kind of writing should look into the other lesser-known Russian romantics:

Lyapunov, Arensky, Medtner

(Especially the Transcendental Etudes by Lyapunov, they're amazing!)
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#1992601 - 11/29/12 09:30 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
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Some of the examples given so far seem to fit the description mentioned in the OP but many don't I think. Among those that don't I'd include most of the Chopin Nocturnes, Beethoven Op.27 No.2, Op. 14 No.1, WoO70, Brahms Ballad, D. Scarlatti.

Reminds me of some of the answers to the mystery rag thread where the OP specifically mentioned tremolos and many of the suggested answers had no tremolos whatsoever.

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#1992982 - 11/30/12 08:20 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Some of the examples given so far seem to fit the description mentioned in the OP but many don't I think. Among those that don't I'd include most of the Chopin Nocturnes, Beethoven Op.27 No.2, Op. 14 No.1, WoO70, Brahms Ballad, D. Scarlatti.

Reminds me of some of the answers to the mystery rag thread where the OP specifically mentioned tremolos and many of the suggested answers had no tremolos whatsoever.
Funny. I know my Beethoven WoO70 doesn't have 3-octave spanning arpeggios, I still think it's a good early example. I did find some of the other suggestions bizarre myself.

But it's the Internet and PW. You always get that "er.. what?" chime-in, and you'll always have people like me that defend what they write smile

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#1992994 - 11/30/12 09:02 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
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I guess the catalyst for my question is that this is the particular style that lured me back into classical music, but there are other more difficult styles in classical music that I am not attempting at this time.

The point being when somebody asks me what style piano I like to play, it is inaccurate for me to state I play generic "classical piano". I want to describe the style yet I don't know how to describe this style other than Rachmaninoff style, which is misleading since only a small part of Rach's overall style was influential although he is my favorite composer/pianist. How do I describe this playing style?
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#1993096 - 12/01/12 07:34 AM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
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Originally Posted By: dracaa
I guess the catalyst for my question is that this is the particular style that lured me back into classical music, but there are other more difficult styles in classical music that I am not attempting at this time.

The point being when somebody asks me what style piano I like to play, it is inaccurate for me to state I play generic "classical piano". I want to describe the style yet I don't know how to describe this style other than Rachmaninoff style, which is misleading since only a small part of Rach's overall style was influential although he is my favorite composer/pianist. How do I describe this playing style?


I don't get it. If you are playing a piece by Rachmaninoff, then you are playing classical piano music (which isn't really a style, but a genre). It is accurate to describe a piece by Rachmaninoff as "classical music".

There isn't a "style" descriptor for music that simply is a tune in octaves over big arpeggios. It's just another of the myriad of homophonic textures available to a composer. The fact that you've singled it out as something that Rachmaninoff does at times doesn't mean that it is a "style".

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#1993102 - 12/01/12 07:55 AM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: Ridicolosamente]
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Originally Posted By: Ridicolosamente
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Some of the examples given so far seem to fit the description mentioned in the OP but many don't I think. Among those that don't I'd include most of the Chopin Nocturnes, Beethoven Op.27 No.2, Op. 14 No.1, WoO70, Brahms Ballad, D. Scarlatti.

Reminds me of some of the answers to the mystery rag thread where the OP specifically mentioned tremolos and many of the suggested answers had no tremolos whatsoever.
Funny. I know my Beethoven WoO70 doesn't have 3-octave spanning arpeggios, I still think it's a good early example. I did find some of the other suggestions bizarre myself.
From the score you posted the arpeggios never go beyond even a single octave and thus, I think, cannot be described as "sweeping". I'm not sure most would even classify the figures in that piece as arpeggios... to me they're more like an extended alberti bass.


Edited by pianoloverus (12/01/12 07:59 AM)

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#1993172 - 12/01/12 12:00 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: dracaa]
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Originally Posted By: dracaa
I guess the catalyst for my question is that this is the particular style that lured me back into classical music, but there are other more difficult styles in classical music that I am not attempting at this time.

The point being when somebody asks me what style piano I like to play, it is inaccurate for me to state I play generic "classical piano". I want to describe the style yet I don't know how to describe this style other than Rachmaninoff style, which is misleading since only a small part of Rach's overall style was influential although he is my favorite composer/pianist. How do I describe this playing style?


You're thinking like a bad pop pianist; you have one trick and can apply it to everything. It's a severely limited and confining view of musicianship and you should abandon it as soon as you possibly can, even if you have no pretensions of being a classical musician.

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#2001223 - 12/18/12 03:01 PM Re: which composer is best known for this particular style? [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Originally Posted By: jeffreyjones
you have one trick and can apply it to everything. It's a severely limited and confining view of musicianship and you should abandon it as soon as you possibly can, even if you have no pretensions of being a classical musician.


I've been tossing around in my brain what you stated above. Are you discouraging playing by ear? Because improvisation & playing by ear involves a lot of reapplied "tricks" and I understand that may be contrary to what's taught in classical musicianship.
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