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#1993049 - 12/01/12 01:57 AM The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld
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The monthly depository of compositions from PianoWorld members!

This is where we, the pianoworld members and composers offer our compositions free of charge to the rest of the pianoworld members!

Compositions are copyrighted at all times to their respectful owners.

At any time one can delete their compositions in this thread. Though this is not nice, there might be reasons to do so. However, be aware that after some time has passed you can NOT edit your post, in which case you'll need to delete the file from the servers.

If you have troubles uploading, finding webspace, offering or htmling, just let me know. I'm only a PM away, or an email away. It's very easy to get a hold of me!

And if you want, offer your insights on your own works. Offer the score, or the recording. Offer both, or offer your ideas as well. Write as much as you'd like, or as little. Share with us your thoughts about your own works... and when you're done with that, share your thoughts and your feedback about the works of others. Offer and receive!

Finally... enjoy...

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Here you can find all of the works, recordings and scores posted throughout this thread!

By Nikolas 'PW1'

The score: www.musica-ferrum.com/documents/pw1.pdf
The recording: www.nikolas-sideris.com/EMF/pw1.mp3

By Rune 'Lullaby'

The score: http://www.musica-ferrum.com/documents/lullaby.pdf
The recording: http://soundcloud.com/rune-e/lullaby

By Steve Chandler 'Elegy'

The score: http://www.musica-ferrum.com/documents/Elegy.pdf
The recording: http://soundcloud.com/pantonality/elegy-edit1

By Dara 'An improvisation without a title'

The score: N/A
The recording: https://www.box.com/s/ul3hbddueylxi24kzgp1

By Allazar 'Draculas dance

The score: https://www.box.com/s/6ungl92w8u1bbe9t3b0e
The recording: https://www.box.com/s/m8b56pwkvepa766qzis5

By Ted 'Barclays Blues' and 'A romantic Duality'

The scores: http://www.musica-ferrum.com/documents/Barclay%5C%27s_Blues.pdf
http://www.musica-ferrum.com/documents/A_Romantic_Duality.pdf
The recordings: https://www.box.com/s/qpmmu6axuih9rxkfmbps
https://www.box.com/s/xa92fsor7d6oh41rmb9z

By Sean Montgomery 'Silent Night'

The score: Non existent
The recording: http://www.nikolas-sideris.com/EMF/silent%20night.mp3

By Larry Alexander 'Arresti E Veda'

The score: Non existent
The recording: http://www.nikolas-sideris.com/EMF/ArrestiEVada.mp3


Edited by Nikolas (12/10/12 04:51 PM)
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#1993050 - 12/01/12 02:01 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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And... here we go.

That's a small part of a huge project, I'm working on, which includes A LOT of small/short ideas.

The score: www.musica-ferrum.com/documents/pw1.pdf

I just named it 'PianoWorld I' for now... wink

And here's a recording with digital means, and 0 editing.
The recording: www.nikolas-sideris.com/EMF/pw1.mp3

I would like to offer me a chance to explain, prior to you starting and asking questions: This IS small, and this IS simple and this IS short and very uncomplicated. It's supposed to be like that. I can do complicated, I can do huge, I can do pages and pages, but this is a part of a very special project (and I can say no more about this project right now), so... there...
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#1993112 - 12/01/12 08:17 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Hi all,

Ok, I venture to contribute with a simple lullaby I wrote a while ago.
Comments and criticism are of course welcome.

Regards, Rune

Lullaby for eights notes

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#1993118 - 12/01/12 08:30 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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WOW this is beautiful Rune! Thanks for sharing!

and your playing is quite nice as well! smile Is it a digital piano, or a sampled piano, or something that can produce a midi file? Are you comfortable in producing a score yourself? Would you like, perhaps, to find someone to make a score for you? It's a beautiful jazz-like piece and I think many would be interested in performing it, that's why I'm asking.

No other comments whatsoever but 'WONDERFUL' lullaby!
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#1993181 - 12/01/12 12:21 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Hi Nikolas!

Thanks for the kind words. I would be happy to produce a score but unfortunately I don´t read music.
However, I made a new recording with my DP hooked up with a computer and managed to create a midi file.
If you like, I could I send it to you. If you can make something useful out of it, I am a happy camper

Rune

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#1993251 - 12/01/12 03:19 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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I enjoyed both of your pieces. Here's my contribution.

http://soundcloud.com/pantonality/elegy-edit1

The story behind this piece is this. I was browsing Youtube and found what the composer called the saddest piano song EVER!!! On listening to it I didn't think it sounded all that sad so I wrote my Elegy. While I was writing it I mentioned to some others that I was writing the saddest piano song ever and they expressed concern for my mental health. What I didn't make a big deal of at the time was that I was also writing a piece to serve the opposite purpose, not necessarily the happiest piano siong ever but a piece to depict the light of God in piano music. That one's proven a bit tougher to do, but it's nearly done. It's also a lot harder to play.

Nikolas, if you would host the score I'd very much appreciate it. Let me know how to get it to you.


Edited by Steve Chandler (12/01/12 03:24 PM)
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#1993257 - 12/01/12 03:52 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Rune: Sure thing. Send it over. I'll check how it's made. If you used a clicked track (so if you pretty much followed the tempo) then it'll be dead easy to create the score. If you just recorded it the 'fast way' without any tempo, then things might be trickier, and I can't promise anything but I will give it a try.

Steve: Sure thing. I'll let everyone know my email where you can send over stuff, etc...

About your work and the story behind it. It's quite interesting, since (like me perhaps) your work is a direct reaction to something you saw/heard/read. It's not a result of an autistic person who just composes for himself, but a conscious idea which is also fixed to psychological facts actually.

It's monothematic and the whole progress gives me the creeps. I'd be lying if I didn't think about your mental health for a second there (but I already knew about your other piece (from your post I mean) so it didn't occur to me for more than once.

And your piece works. (It's a midi recording, btw? Sounds like it, but I can't be 100% certain).

TO EVERYONE: If you wish to send me anything just use my email at nikolas *AT* musica-ferrum.com .

Some technical details: If it's a recording there are 3 (or 4, ok) options:
* WAV/AIF. This is an uncompressed audio file. You can calculate that 1 minute of music is 10 MB of music and my email can get up to 20 MB of attachments, so...
* MP3. The well known format. No problems there. It works great if you keep your bitrate at above 112/124 kbits. Finale, Sibelius and all sequencers that I know of can export directly to this format, so...
* OGG. It's a brilliant format, actually, from Vorbis. It's MUCH better than mp3s in every account, and can be of smaller size AND better quality at the same time. Unfortunately as a free format it does NOT have the full support from various music players (for example Windows Media Player does NOT recognize OGG files).
* Flac. LOSSLESS (so no information lost, as opposed to mp3 and ogg) this format is pretty much like a zip file, but for audio files specifically. It doesn't have any quality loss, thus is much preferred by various people, but playback wise (again) Windows Media Player and other playback software doesn't like it.

For a score you have basically 3 options (when you send it over):
* A PDF file. Works for everyone, but no playback.
* Finaly files.
* Sibelius files.

I own both Finale and Sibelius and I can produce a fine PDF file from that.

That's about all I can think of, right now. I'm happy to see this thread coming alive, btw! smile
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#1993324 - 12/01/12 06:12 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Nikolas,

Score sent. Thank you for initiating this thread and providing a place to host files.

It does seem as if I accessed something pretty dark in my piece. You're right it's a midi recording as it's a pretty hard piece to play with big chords and jumps. I can't play it for more than 15 minutes without taking a break. In thinking about the emotion of sadness, it struck me that it tends to focus on one single idea as being tragic and overriding all other aspects of one's life regardless of the emotion attached to them. You could win the lottery but if you'd just lost the love of your life you might focus only on the loss. Do too much of that and you'll drive your life into the ground and that's what's disturbing about my piece, it's insistence on tragedy. I felt it necessary to start another piece that attempts to describe the other end of the emotional spectrum, just to maintain balance.

AS I mentioned before I liked both your piece and the lullaby. Your piece was very short and sweet and I really liked the way the harmony shifted. That was much more apparent when listening with the score on my screen (a vote for the utility of having the score available). I do wish it was longer.

There was also some very nice jazz style harmony in Rune's lullaby. At 1:13 it's not a long piece either. Good luck getting a baby to sleep in just over a minute. While it sounds complete as is, in a live performance I would expect the player to do a bit more than run through the song once and that would give the opportunity for extemporizing on the melody.

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#1993435 - 12/01/12 11:24 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Steve,

Due to the world time differences I just woke up and thus I've uploaded the score now.

STEVE'S ELEGY CAN BE DOWNLOADED IF YOU CLICK THIS BOLD SENTENCE

It's exactly that: It's extremely tragic. There's a descent to sadness and a very dark place and that's what makes it so successful in what it does. It isn't something superficially sad (think of emo :D) from the beginning. It drowns you in its sorrow.

And since we are in the composer's lounge, I'd like to offer some further thoughts about the score. It's highly readable as it stands and it IS clean and well thought out.

The main question that I have is that I tend to prefer slightly smaller scores. Yours must be 100%, while my score was 92% or so... I don't know which one is better, since I'm using some 23" screens (two of them) and looking at a score in digital form isn't the best way to understand its size.

Personally, I'd prefer to avoid using the 8vb sign with the octaves in the middle of the piece, because one may be confused if this applies to the next chord or not in the left hand. But that's just me and my ability to read through a lot of ledger lines... :-/

My piece has a very defined reason for being small. I promise! laugh Next one will be much different! wink
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#1993475 - 12/02/12 01:20 AM The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Nikolas,

First off, this new Forum effort of yours holds wonderful promise, as evidenced by the great contributions so far.

Regarding your piece specifically, if I may: I fully appreciate your stated intention to keep it simple and brief. Equally, I am certain you already know this: Your composition is JUST BEGGING for a repeat of the first 16 measures, with very little alteration.
* Perhaps adding a close-harmony voice in the treble. * Perhaps a second voice that echos the first, one measure later. It is simply too compelling to end when it is just getting going!

Ed
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#1993502 - 12/02/12 03:10 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Steve, I fully agree with what Nikolas said about your Elegy. I actually could not get it out of my head.
In my mind, music to depict the light of God would be S:t Matthews Passion by J.S. Bach. Looking forward to listen to your piece

Nikolas, Midi file sent. I would be very grateful if you could create a PDF score out of it. Many thanks for your time

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#1993527 - 12/02/12 06:10 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Rune,

Got your email and the midi file and wrote back! I hope that everything will work out. I just need more time... So if I seem to be late, or something, don't assume that I've forgotten. Just that I'm trying to wrap my head around everything I need to do... wink

And I want to thank everyone so far for their contributions to this 'rivival the composers' lounge' thread kind of thing.
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#1993534 - 12/02/12 06:45 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Nikolas,

Take your time. No hurry at all.
Too late I realized I could have quantized the midi file to 1/8-notes. I think it could help producing a clean score.
Sorry for poor english grammar

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#1993702 - 12/02/12 02:52 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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I sent an email to you at the address you gave above and it was returned to me undelivered.

???
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#1993749 - 12/02/12 04:16 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Larry,

This is probably because you didn't "translate" the word "*AT*" to the proper sign. When posting in the Internet forums, there's 'spiders' crawling around, gathering emails, so it's better not to give away the address as is. So instead of *AT* just put the sign @ there (2 with the shift pressed).

If that's not it, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Rune: No worries about your English. They're fine, plus I'm not English either, and it probably shows from time to time! wink
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#1993808 - 12/02/12 06:03 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Larry,

This is probably because you didn't "translate" the word "*AT*" to the proper sign. When posting in the Internet forums, there's 'spiders' crawling around, gathering emails, so it's better not to give away the address as is. So instead of *AT* just put the sign @ there (2 with the shift pressed).

If that's not it, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Rune: No worries about your English. They're fine, plus I'm not English either, and it probably shows from time to time! wink



I am aware of the @ sign. Take another look at the email address that you posted in the message and see if it is correct, please.

Thanks,


Edited by Larry G. Alexander (12/02/12 06:04 PM)
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#1993842 - 12/02/12 07:45 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Larry G. Alexander]
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Originally Posted By: Larry G. Alexander
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Larry,

This is probably because you didn't "translate" the word "*AT*" to the proper sign. When posting in the Internet forums, there's 'spiders' crawling around, gathering emails, so it's better not to give away the address as is. So instead of *AT* just put the sign @ there (2 with the shift pressed).

If that's not it, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Rune: No worries about your English. They're fine, plus I'm not English either, and it probably shows from time to time! wink



I am aware of the @ sign. Take another look at the email address that you posted in the message and see if it is correct, please.

Thanks,

Larry,

It worked fine for me, remember there should be no spaces in an email address.

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#1993937 - 12/03/12 12:22 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Larry G. Alexander]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Larry,

This is probably because you didn't "translate" the word "*AT*" to the proper sign. When posting in the Internet forums, there's 'spiders' crawling around, gathering emails, so it's better not to give away the address as is. So instead of *AT* just put the sign @ there (2 with the shift pressed).

If that's not it, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Rune: No worries about your English. They're fine, plus I'm not English either, and it probably shows from time to time! wink



I am aware of the @ sign. Take another look at the email address that you posted in the message and see if it is correct, please.

Thanks,
Larry,

I've already received emails from two members here, so I don't think it's something I did wrong.

In any case I'll PM you with my email. smile

Nikolas
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#1993969 - 12/03/12 03:33 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Whew !!
I'm not used to recording. Just put this together after many takes and uploaded it a few moments ago. Transferred it from wav to mp3 using itunes. No editing.
For now I've given it the title 'as yet...' as it doesn't have a title as yet. I've never been much of one for coming up with titles.

This piece goes back quite a ways in my past and is an improvisational composition, meaning parts of it are improvised and always played differently in each performance.
Well, the hour is getting late here on Sunday night ... wanted to submit something before the end of the weekend.
Thanks again Nikolas for initiating this thread and offering assistance. And thanks to all those contributing and listening/viewing. I shall respond more later to individual pieces.

https://www.box.com/s/ul3hbddueylxi24kzgp1

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#1993972 - 12/03/12 03:52 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Dara, this is very nice.

It does have this improvisatory feeling, as you say. And it's fine for me, since improvisation is a part of composition either way. And 2:40 into the work it goes to much different rhythmic territories! YAY! smile

I've listened to great interest, and perhaps it's because I'm too involved in this, but it just feels that I'm learning more about each and everyone of you. smile

On something else that I didn't have a chance to reply to.

Originally Posted By: LoPresti
Regarding your piece specifically, if I may: I fully appreciate your stated intention to keep it simple and brief. Equally, I am certain you already know this: Your composition is JUST BEGGING for a repeat of the first 16 measures, with very little alteration.
* Perhaps adding a close-harmony voice in the treble. * Perhaps a second voice that echos the first, one measure later. It is simply too compelling to end when it is just getting going
Ed,

I totally see what you mean.

Thing is that because of personal reasons, I feel a very strong urge to 'let down' others. I can't do it in real life (I can't abandon my kids of course), so I'm doing it in music. I've written many more of these miniatures recently and all share this idea of 'let down'.

Of course I'm a little against the religious persistence of following the score exactly, in which case I'd be fine with anyone tempering with a repeat, or a loop of this short work or anything. I'd hate for any pianist to feel 'locked' to something that's mean to temper with! wink
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#1994004 - 12/03/12 06:56 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Steve, it is a very beautiful piece!
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#1994139 - 12/03/12 12:53 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Wow. I've listened to all the recordings and checked out the sheet music for anything available. Very very nice job on everyone's part. I was going to upload a draft of a piece I wrote based on an 8-note recurring theme, but it doesn't hold a candle to what I've already heard. So, instead, I offer this: if anyone would like me to tackle a piano piece they've composed but for whatever reasons, cannot play themselves, please let me know. I'd be happy to have a look. smile
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#1994146 - 12/03/12 01:26 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Derulux]
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Wow. I've listened to all the recordings and checked out the sheet music for anything available. Very very nice job on everyone's part. I was going to upload a draft of a piece I wrote based on an 8-note recurring theme, but it doesn't hold a candle to what I've already heard. So, instead, I offer this: if anyone would like me to tackle a piano piece they've composed but for whatever reasons, cannot play themselves, please let me know. I'd be happy to have a look. smile

Glad you liked them. I also appreciate your generous offer. PM me your email (I know I had it once upon a time) and I'll send a pdf of eleven pieces and you can take your pick. I can hack my way through all of them, but eventually the question becomes do I want to invest years learning pieces (and never playing the harder ones particularly well) or do I write more. That collection does not include the Elegy.

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to hold off posting your own work. We may be able to help you find ways to improve it or we might like it just the way it is. It would be a shame if the enthusiasm of a few intimidated others from contributing. If the only purpose served by you posting your piece was to inspire others that it's okay to post something that's a work in progress you would have done a good thing.

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#1994154 - 12/03/12 01:45 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Steve- excellent suggestion. I may do just that. If my work can do anything, it is to inspire others that no matter how bad they think it is, it could always be worse!

I do have one particular piece for which I like the theme, and every variation is "okay", but I have no modulation for it, and nowhere to go with it. (This is one area, I think, where I have as little talent/knowledge as there could possibly be. I can tell when something's working and when it's not just from my general musical background, but I have no idea how to fix something that isn't working.)

I'll send you the PM now. Thanks. smile
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#1994176 - 12/03/12 02:30 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Derulux: Your offer is excellent and I'd also like to thank you. From behalf of all the composers, I think that this is a valuable offer, and I might take it up as well (for the same reasons as Steve: I don't have the time to learn/study everything).

On offering your work: I think you should do it. I've already had a similar discussion in another thread about pretty much the same thing. I don't think that one should be limited in not posting their works, or recordings because others seem/are/whatever better...

I mean we all are different and the idea of 'right' or 'wrong' isn't applicable in composition really! wink
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#1994178 - 12/03/12 02:40 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Derulux]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux

I do have one particular piece for which I like the theme, and every variation is "okay", but I have no modulation for it, and nowhere to go with it. (This is one area, I think, where I have as little talent/knowledge as there could possibly be. I can tell when something's working and when it's not just from my general musical background, but I have no idea how to fix something that isn't working.)

To fix something that isn't working I have two methods, the first is trial and error, when that doesn't work I just mull it over for a few days and usually a good idea comes.

The problem with variations is modulation aren't typically part of the scheme. So feel free to put them in either as transitions between variations of within a variation. My advice with composing variations is compose at least 5 and either throw them away or edit them to bare minimum. That'll get rid of the obvious ideas (walking bass, light ornamentation, super slow, fugues etc.). Now you have to actually be creative and that's when things get interesting and/or exciting. You'll know you've mastered the process when you find yourself trying to figure out what order will give your piece the most dramatic impact. In my Spring Hop I kept the light ornamentation and fugue variations (because I liked them) but dumped the super slow and didn't bother writing a walking bass one.

In any case the music is in your inbox now, so you can look it over and try some on. Hope you like it.

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#1994226 - 12/03/12 04:47 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Dara]
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Dara,

I found your improvisational composition very pleasant to listen to. Thanks for sharing!
I am curious about the instrument you are performing on. Is it a perfectly tuned grand piano or possibly an digital piano? Your recording sounds really good

Rune

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#1994245 - 12/03/12 05:25 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Nice thread, I've started listening at the top and I've enjoyed what I've heard. I haven't posted in a long time (though I still lurk). I'm not very good and don't compose often but this is a party so I'll post something.

This is a short looping number I wrote for someone who wanted to evoke a dance of draculas for a school play. I had created it in a demo version of Noteworthy Composer and never got around to redoing it in something else so that watermark is all over it.

Midi: https://www.box.com/s/m8b56pwkvepa766qzis5

Pdf: https://www.box.com/s/6ungl92w8u1bbe9t3b0e

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#1994246 - 12/03/12 05:28 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Rune E]
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Dara,

I found your improvisational composition very pleasant to listen to. Thanks for sharing!
I am curious about the instrument you are performing on. Is it a perfectly tuned grand piano or possibly an digital piano? Your recording sounds really good

Rune
If that's a digital then perhaps I should sell my Estonia.

Dara, I agree with Rune, that's a very enjoyable piece. Structurally, it wanders a bit, but everyplace it goes seems nice.

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#1994252 - 12/03/12 05:47 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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I spoke to Dara over skype about 12-14 hours ago (It was midnight for him and morning for me)... It's an acoustic piano and a zoom recorder! wink

Now it's after midnight for me and early afternoon for you in the N. American Continent! wink

Cheers and good night. More to come in a few hours! laugh
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#1994263 - 12/03/12 06:17 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Elegy is haunting me now. When I want to be down in the dumps I'll be sure to listen to it. It really is effective at casting a gloom.

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#1994373 - 12/03/12 10:50 PM The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Derulux]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux
. . . I do have one particular piece for which I like the theme, and every variation is "okay", but I have no modulation for it, and nowhere to go with it. (This is one area, I think, where I have as little talent/knowledge as there could possibly be. I can tell when something's working and when it's not just from my general musical background, but I have no idea how to fix something that isn't working.)

Derulux,

In addition to what Steve wrote, good composers have certain “tools” in their little bags of tricks. While flights of inspiration are typically the very best material with which to work, there are several, well-defined techniques that many composers use to “connect” those more inspired moments, and make the music flow between them.

Take a baby-simple example: Everyone has heard, or learned, Hot Cross Buns (Well, maybe not Nikolas, who first heard "Bring me a Mandolin", or something else by Hadjithakis!) –
[1] Write a measure using three scale notes.
[2] Repeat the first measure. (Recapitulation!)
[3] Use a couple of those same notes in a different order, a different rhythm. (Augmentation!)
[4] Re-repeat the first measure. (Recapitulation!)
. . . Compositional techniques! (Sonata-Allegro Form at its most rudimentary!)

So, to your dilemma on nowhere to go with it.:
*Take the part you like, and after stating it, try writing it backwards.
*Take the part you like, and after stating it, try writing all the intervals “up-side-down”.
*Take the part you like, and after stating it naturally, then extend the values of some notes, and shorten the values of others.
*Take the part you like, and after stating it naturally, then extend the intervals, by moving them up or down the natural harmonics of the original note.
*Identify the part you like as either a musical question, or a musical statement. If it is a question, then follow it with a musical answer. If the first part is a statement, then ask a musical question about that statement. Then answer THAT question. This builds into a musical dialog - ideal, incidentally, for Theme and Variations!
(God, I am giving everything away here!)

These somewhat mechanical tools do not replace inspired melody or harmonies - NOT AT ALL. Over-use creates music that is formulaic and mechanical! But they do augment pure inspiration, and frequently become the SOURCE for new inspiration.

Ed
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#1994415 - 12/04/12 01:24 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Two different idioms from the past off an old tape.

Barclay's Blues

Barclay's Blues PDF1
Barclay's Blues PDF2
Barclay's Blues PDF3

A Romantic Duality (Part 2)

RD1 PDF
RD2 PDF
RD3 PDF
RD4 PDF
RD5 PDF
RD6 PDF
RD7 PDF
RD8 PDF
RD9 PDF
RD10 PDF

How do you merge a number of PDF scans into one file ? That might help me in future.
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#1994420 - 12/04/12 01:43 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: LoPresti]
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Originally Posted By: LoPresti
Originally Posted By: Derulux
. . . I do have one particular piece for which I like the theme, and every variation is "okay", but I have no modulation for it, and nowhere to go with it. (This is one area, I think, where I have as little talent/knowledge as there could possibly be. I can tell when something's working and when it's not just from my general musical background, but I have no idea how to fix something that isn't working.)

Derulux,

In addition to what Steve wrote, good composers have certain “tools” in their little bags of tricks. While flights of inspiration are typically the very best material with which to work, there are several, well-defined techniques that many composers use to “connect” those more inspired moments, and make the music flow between them.

Take a baby-simple example: Everyone has heard, or learned, Hot Cross Buns (Well, maybe not Nikolas, who first heard "Bring me a Mandolin", or something else by Hadjithakis!) –
[1] Write a measure using three scale notes.
[2] Repeat the first measure. (Recapitulation!)
[3] Use a couple of those same notes in a different order, a different rhythm. (Augmentation!)
[4] Re-repeat the first measure. (Recapitulation!)
. . . Compositional techniques! (Sonata-Allegro Form at its most rudimentary!)

So, to your dilemma on nowhere to go with it.:
*Take the part you like, and after stating it, try writing it backwards.
*Take the part you like, and after stating it, try writing all the intervals “up-side-down”.
*Take the part you like, and after stating it naturally, then extend the values of some notes, and shorten the values of others.
*Take the part you like, and after stating it naturally, then extend the intervals, by moving them up or down the natural harmonics of the original note.
*Identify the part you like as either a musical question, or a musical statement. If it is a question, then follow it with a musical answer. If the first part is a statement, then ask a musical question about that statement. Then answer THAT question. This builds into a musical dialog - ideal, incidentally, for Theme and Variations!
(God, I am giving everything away here!)

These somewhat mechanical tools do not replace inspired melody or harmonies - NOT AT ALL. Over-use creates music that is formulaic and mechanical! But they do augment pure inspiration, and frequently become the SOURCE for new inspiration.

Ed

I thank you both for taking the time to reply in such detail and care. It is truly appreciated it. I'm going to keep hammering at it, and if I get it to a workable place, or even if I continue to be completely stuck, I'll share and perhaps get another masterclass. smile

Steve- Incidentally, I'm going after the Rhapsody. Great piece. Hopefully I can make heads of it, and not turn too many tails. wink I'll let you know when I've got it working well under my fingers.
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#1994425 - 12/04/12 01:54 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Allazart: I think it's a very nice short loop. Easy to play and right to the point. Of course there are many things one would do to 'make it better', but who the heck cares really... And the theme is fun and fine! I do think that the piece deserves a live performance... I can't do it myself, but perhaps someone else could?
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#1994433 - 12/04/12 02:15 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Derulux: Yes, keep working on it. I think that composing is ALSO a great deal of 'getting used to it' and being used to doing it. It's a bit like a habit. It comes easy to some people because they've composed so much (and often these people burn out eventually...). Don't give up and show your efforts to us (whenever anyhow. It doesn't have to be THIS month or any other month, or anywhere). I fully support the idea that composition is about communication and if you're not showing it to anyone... well... you're not communicating. wink

Ted: There are a few ways to do this (combine different PDF files), depending on what you've got on your computer and how tech savy you are...

1. If you're "printing to PDF" with a PDF printer (these small software that allow you to print directly to a PDF file rather than a normal physical paper?), then a few can 'append' or 'delete'. For example PrimoPDF asks you the name of the new file. If you put the name of an already existing file, it will ask you to either append it, or delete it. You just need to be careful on which files to print first.

2. If you've got Acrobat Pro you can combine directly with it, different types of files (including PDF files of course), and sort out the pages at any point. But this costs money. Other software that do this is NirtoPDF, which again is not free.

3. If you've got someone who knows what they're doing just send the files over and he can combine them for you. In fact I just did that, so there you go:

HERE IS Barclay's Blues
and
HERE IS A Romantic Duality

They both are fine works, and I especially liked A Romantic Duality because of many things (including the clever titling... hehe...).

And your handwriting is great! It's not a clean score or anything and there a few things I'd like to ask you, but it remains great as evidence of a musicians and composers handwriting! smile

Questions

Barclay's Blues:

Why this time signature? I understand that you're following what you wrote (which is especially clear in your second work), but in this case wouldn't it work to have the 'traditional' way of 'swing' in the tempo marking and leave it up to the performers to play it as intended? It's something that's met quite frequently in more 'jazz' scores.

And what do the numbers in circles with the arrow mean. I think that your playing matches the score without any going back and forth so I'm not too clear about that either.

A Romantic Duality.

There's no time signature in this one, right? I don't mind it at all, since it's what I've been doing to a few of my own works lately... But at the same time the piece didn't strike me as 'no tempo or no time signature' piece, it felt a bit straight forward rhythm wise?

Also, everyone, please note that the recording of 'A Romantic Duality' starts at page 5 of the work, not at the beginning. It's PART 2.
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#1994436 - 12/04/12 02:20 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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And a third post in a row! grin

Here you can find Rune's Lullaby:

CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD LULLABY BY RUNE ERENIUS

Just beware that the score was produced by me, so any errors (especially in the division between hands) is my fault (and I just saw that the rit in the last system is touching the slur line, but I don't have the time to fix it now.).

Oh well...

Enjoy people! smile Some very fine music in here!


Edited by Nikolas (12/04/12 02:20 AM)
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#1994445 - 12/04/12 03:09 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Thank you for taking the time to listen and comment, Nikolas. Every one of your points is correct, and they all stem from the fact that I am very much an improviser by nature. Ideas flow very easily at the instrument but I find the task of making even a reasonable approximation in notation a frightful struggle. That is why I am posting old pieces - because I haven't attempted it for a long time, but have just recorded hundreds, possibly thousands of improvisations since I retired.

Anyway, the things you mention:

Numbers and arrows are my own lazy device to avoid writing anything twice. Rule:

Start at the beginning.
Play until 1 with an arrow and jump to 1 without an arrow.
Play until 2 with an arrow and jump to 2 without an arrow
.
.
And so on until the end.

Sorry, I should have explained that.

Yes, I have always found the notation of swing a dilemma. The way you suggest is the more accepted, and is unambiguous as long as the triplet feeling is constant. Once a mixture of rhythms occurs it can get difficult very quickly. I began using the notation I do after reading Brubeck's comments in the preface to Points On Jazz, wherein he suggests writing things as they sound. There is also the so called dotted note convention for triplet rhythm, which adds another confusion.

The great transcribers of stride, swing and similar styles, Dapogny, Farrell, Posnak etc, use your way, and you are quite right in that my piece is so simple that it might be better for communication all round.

All this, of course, stems from the fact that I have had no conventional tuition at all in these things, and none in conventional piano technique either for that matter. An experienced professional like you would spot this lack immediately. I assure you I am keenly aware of it also. However, at sixty-five, I am enjoying spontaneous creation so much that I see little point in trying to assimilate these skills now.

Nonetheless, I thought your thread well worth supporting, and thank you again for taking the time to listen. And thanks for combining the pages.


Edited by Ted (12/04/12 03:29 AM)
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#1994544 - 12/04/12 09:25 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Derulux]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux

Steve- Incidentally, I'm going after the Rhapsody. Great piece. Hopefully I can make heads of it, and not turn too many tails. wink I'll let you know when I've got it working well under my fingers.

Thank you for some exciting news on a Tuesday morning. I'm excited to hear how you do with it. Don't get me wrong it's plenty difficult, but I think it sounds harder than it is. Have fun and good luck.

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#1994605 - 12/04/12 11:45 AM The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Rune E]
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Rune,

ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!

Are you "sandbagging" on us? You have no formal training? And you can not read music?

If that is truly the case, Braviss-iss-iss-issimo!
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#1994609 - 12/04/12 11:56 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: LoPresti]
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Originally Posted By: LoPresti
Rune,

ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!

Are you "sandbagging" on us? You have no formal training? And you can not read music?

If that is truly the case, Braviss-iss-iss-issimo!
Ed
I know that Rune will come in and reply, but the score is my end product, from his midi file. And he did confirm that he doesn't read music either because he couldn't check the score! Which is why I'm quite weary there may be errors in there, or foolishly done notational tricks... hem...

But if it's about music then heck YES! Here's to all who think improvisation is not composition, etc... It's a very fine work (albeit, as Steve said... you can't put to sleep a child in a couple of minutes, but still... hehe). grin
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#1994617 - 12/04/12 12:18 PM The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Hi Nikolas,

It might well be my defective ear, but in the recording of Rune's LULLABY, I hear a minor second dissonance at the beginning of Measures 5 and 13 - probably an E in the treble. I do not see any trace of that in the computer-generated score.

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#1994625 - 12/04/12 12:46 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Here's to all who think improvisation is not composition, etc... It's a very fine work

As you know, I happen to be one of those who believes that composition is a very specific art and craft; and improvisation is quite an other, distinct, art and craft.

I would be willing to bet, and hope that Rune will chime in here with clarification, that this piece is played ESSENTIALLY the exact same way each time, in spite of not having it written down.

Rune?
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#1994672 - 12/04/12 02:22 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: LoPresti]
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Originally Posted By: LoPresti
I would be willing to bet, and hope that Rune will chime in here with clarification, that this piece is played ESSENTIALLY the exact same way each time, in spite of not having it written down.

Rune?
I think that Rune will have a lot to say when he comes to this thread! grin
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#1994686 - 12/04/12 03:11 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Are you implying that Rune played this once, completely spontaneously, fully formed, while recording it; and that the score you have rendered through transcription is the result of extemporaneous improvisation?

(If true, this could be the exception that proves my rule!)
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#1994693 - 12/04/12 03:36 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Oh no... Now I see that my post implied many things. What I meant that since rune isn't around we're all assuming great many things.

I think that he might have played it a few times and then record it. But no idea really. Rune will let us know, but the very fact that he doesn't read score, does mean that his compositions are more based in what he plays and thinks while playing, rather than pre planing, etc.

Again no idea and I hope that Rune will come to clarify things.

Regardless to say that I really like his lullaby! Very much so!

EDIT: Ed it may very well be that I missed a note or two. I did delete a couple of notes that seemed to be too silent and thus assumed they were 'wrong' somehow, but it can easily be corrected! smile Thanks for checking it out!


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#1994696 - 12/04/12 03:43 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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And here we have the first festive work... Based (obviously) on the well known tune of 'Silent night' with a few twists! wink

CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE MP3 OF SILENT NIGHT BY SEAN MONTGOMERY

This was sent to me a few moments ago, by a new member (whose nickname here in PianoWorld I don't know), but his name in the email is Sean Montgomery. I'm hoping that he'll come over to post his thoughts and become a regular member, since he's new! smile
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#1994727 - 12/04/12 06:14 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: LoPresti]
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Originally Posted By: LoPresti
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Here's to all who think improvisation is not composition, etc... It's a very fine work

As you know, I happen to be one of those who believes that composition is a very specific art and craft; and improvisation is quite an other, distinct, art and craft.

I would be willing to bet, and hope that Rune will chime in here with clarification, that this piece is played ESSENTIALLY the exact same way each time, in spite of not having it written down.

Rune?

Hi Ed,

Many thanks for your positive comments on my lullaby.

Nikolas kindly offered me to produce a computer generated score of the piece:

quote=Nikolas]Rune: Sure thing. Send it over. I'll check how it's made. If you used a clicked track (so if you pretty much followed the tempo) then it'll be dead easy to create the score. If you just recorded it the 'fast way' without any tempo, then things might be trickier, and I can't promise anything but I will give it a try.
[/quote]

As I did not use a click track on the original recording, I suspected that the score could be difficult to process.
For that reason I made a new recording as a midi file for Nikolas and followed a click track at 74 bps. Not very easy and I´m sure I played the piece different in areas.

Under normal circumstances I believe I play my compositions essentially the same way each time. Hope this clear things up. Sorry for the confusion.

And no, I am not able to read music from scores. I am self-taught, with the exception of a few very basic piano lessons at school when I was a kid

Rune


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#1994751 - 12/04/12 07:35 PM The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Rune E]
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Hi Rune,

Thank you for the clarification. I hope I did not detract in any way from your wonderful work by lapsing into a philosophical discussion of composition versus improvisation.

In my opinion, your Lullaby is a very nice COMPOSITION, in every aspect of the word. The fact that you have not formally studied harmony and voice-leading makes it all-the-more outstanding.

Ed
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#1994804 - 12/04/12 11:35 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: LoPresti]
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Hi Rune,

Thank you for the clarification. I hope I did not detract in any way from your wonderful work by lapsing into a philosophical discussion of composition versus improvisation.
I'll also apologize for taking it a bit further, but I have to say this...

An improvisation is something that's an one way, or similar. That's the point of it right? But if you record that (with midi, as it happened in Runes case), does it remain an impro, or becomes a composition?

For me in any way you create a new musical work, it's all composition = creativity unleashed! That's why I don't differentiate between the two, although I see the point in doing so... :-/

Note: I just wish I had mod powers in order to gather all the works in the first post of the thread... I'll talk to the admins/mods responsible for this....
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#1994824 - 12/05/12 01:12 AM The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Hey Nikolas,

I lifted the following from a recent thread in which you and I were participating.
Originally Posted By: LoPresti
. . . in my mind there is a clear distinction between a Composition and an Improvisation.

The former is music that is somewhat “formalized”, in that it is finished, complete unto itself, and repeatable by someone other than the originator. Typically, a composition is committed to paper, and that is the primary way it is transferred from composer to performer.

An improvisation, as its name implies, is ad-hoc, extemporaneous, and would seldom, if ever, be repeated note-for-note. (An exception to this might be the transcription of a jazz solo, where the student is attempting to analyze for learning.) The improvisation carries the connotation of being in the moment, and not lasting beyond the “now”.

Obviously, there will be “grey” areas between what is clearly a “composition”, and what is obviously an improvisation. But I believe those in-between cases to be few, and their characteristics are certainly not changed by the simple act of recording. .

I know you understand my point of view on the subject(s), but for those who may not -
I think of composition as a process; and I contrast that with improvisation, which is an event. In many instances, both are musical miracles, but they ARE different.

My reason for asking Rune about working on his Lullaby, and if he played it essentially the same each time, was this. A composition is something that is learned, essentially note-for-note, and then repeated. The art and skill of improvisING can be learned, but an improvisation is always “off-the-cuff”. The venerable jazz pianist Teddy Wilson could improvise, AND, more recently, he prepared tunes for performance that sounded like they were improvised, but were played essentially the same way each time. I believe the latter process is composition.

I also believe that Rune’s Lullaby is a composition. It fits all the criteria, and now that Nikolas has been good enough to capture it on paper, it can easily be transfered to other musicians for their performance.

I used to compose - quite a bit. I still improvise on jazz standards. I love them both, and they are two, completely different skills, and they produce two completely different forms of the art.
(Well, I would not use "art" in my case, but you get the idea.)

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#1994837 - 12/05/12 01:42 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Ed,

I fully agree with you. I should, just in case, note that I do not find either 'better' or 'worst'. I'm in love with many guitar solos (in pop/rock idioms) that I wouldn't consider them anything less that masterfully composed... compositions!

Still, now with the aid of technology we have something of a problem with our definitions (which are pretty much the same): You can capture note by note, rhythm by rhythm, dynamic by dynamic, phrase by phrase even the most complex of improvisations. Exactly like taking a photograph. And this photograph can remain in time and forever (as long as humanity exists and as long as there's interest in it).

It's the same with any improvisation: Even if the process is momentarily in real time, an event as you say (and as it should be!) the capturing of that event, makes it... something else. Something completely different!
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#1995063 - 12/05/12 02:13 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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What a lovely idea! I've listened to everyone's work and enjoyed them all! smile What a great inspiration for a beginner! wink
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#1995272 - 12/06/12 12:34 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Thanks for all the contributions, both the music and discussion. I have listened to each piece several times.

Pieces submitted in order of posting :

Nikolas: Very short and sweet , a sense of intrigue and mystery....
I hope we shall be hearing more of your compositions in the months to come.

Rune: Rune , this is a lovely piece with a gentle and gracious spirit. Thanks for submitting your composition. You asked about my recording.... yes, as Nikolas mentioned it was played on an acoustic grand at home, and using a Zoom H4N recorder. Thanks for your comments.

Steve: Wonderful rich textures, mood and chord development. I like the sense of depth and reaching forth. I don't find it particularly dark or sad. I look forward to hearing it played on acoustic piano. Thanks for your submission.

Dara: not to bad for your first submission smile
someone mentioned wandering. yes i like to wander and also wonder.

Allazart: Thanks allazart for your contribution and piece. This is a lively piece and sounds like you had fun making it. Hope to hear more from you.

Ted: Very much enjoyed listening to your pieces, Barclay's Blues and A Romantic Duality. They both seem to suggest another time in the past, and have a sense to me of being cinematic.

Sean: Lovely rendition of 'Silent Night'. Thanks and hope to hear more from you. Seasons greetings !

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#1995291 - 12/06/12 01:37 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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And here's an extra tune, from Larry G. Alexander.

It's called "Arresti E Vada" (not sure if I separated the words correct. Larry?)

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO Arresti E Vada

If I may comment is that I think this is a very clever work, rather difficult to perform live, and the mechanical recording (from Finale?) certainly doesn't do it justice. But it's the first time I've heard something so dissonant from you Larry and I'm enjoying every minute of it.

Dara: Thanks for your words about my work. I have a few ideas for the coming months... So I won't run out! wink And thanks for offering your insights for all those works so far. It's been very smooth so far I think!


Edited by Nikolas (12/06/12 01:38 AM)
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#1995325 - 12/06/12 07:00 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
And here we have the first festive work... Based (obviously) on the well known tune of 'Silent night' with a few twists! wink

CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE MP3 OF SILENT NIGHT BY SEAN MONTGOMERY

Not wishing to take anything away from Sean's excellent effort, to me this is an "arrangement".

We can probably get into a rather lengthy discussion about what distinguishes an arrangement from a composition if it is not already obvious.

Very nice piece, Sean!
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#1995375 - 12/06/12 09:37 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: LoPresti]
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Would agree with your observation, LoPresti -- perhaps the thread title should be extended to "depository of compositions and arrangements from Piano World", because I consider both areas to be of interest to Piano World listeners. I personally consider arranging to be a heckuva lot easier than composition (although neither one is easy), and have many more of the former than the latter in my "portfolio".

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#1995417 - 12/06/12 11:47 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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I do know that Nikolas wished he had made a more encompassing title, to include Compositions and Improvisations, and now perhaps Arrangements. In my mind, these three species are different enough to warrent each their own thread.

On the other hand, I start thinking about the settings, or the performance of many of these different creations. It is very (VERY!) common for the typical jazz trio to be playing a "song" composed by Cole Porter (for instance), that is arranged by a member of the trio, and that is improvised upon, in turn, by all three players. Such performances (settings) are so common, it is difficult to think of them in terms of categories we are discussing here.

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#1995772 - 12/07/12 04:52 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: LoPresti
Hi Rune,

Thank you for the clarification. I hope I did not detract in any way from your wonderful work by lapsing into a philosophical discussion of composition versus improvisation.
I'll also apologize for taking it a bit further, but I have to say this...

No reason for apologies. The topic you are discussing is interesting

Nikolas: Sorry for not responding to your contribution earlier. I have actually listened to several of your compositions both at your web site and on YouTube. I find your music very interesting and enjoyable.

I regularly slip into standard chord progressions in my attempts to compose, despite the struggle to extend my musical language. I think your Sketches for Solo Piano plays an important role and I am convinced they are appreciated by many composers

Dara: Many thanks for your nice comment on my lullaby!

Rune (also struggling with Google translate :-o)

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#1995777 - 12/07/12 05:15 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Rune: Thanks for listening my work(s). I do hope that I'm contributing something 'new' most of the times I compose... wink

To everyone, just a word of caution: I've requested to Frank that I get some editing powers (YAY) so I will be able to edit the initial post with all links and stuff, within the weekend! wink However I'm quite uncertain if I'll have enough time to handle more than 1 thread per month and I do think that the general idea of 'composing' is creativity, which is evident in every single work presented here... So, personally, I'm find with a single thread encompassing all that don't belong in their own thread.

BTW, I should note that wr in another forum of PW, did ask which works go in here and which should have their own thread and I'm not sure I have a clear answer, but I think that smaller works go here and larger works warrant their own thread... :-/ Comments?
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#1996350 - 12/08/12 10:32 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
And here's an extra tune, from Larry G. Alexander.

It's called "Arresti E Vada" (not sure if I separated the words correct. Larry?)

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO Arresti E Vada

If I may comment is that I think this is a very clever work, rather difficult to perform live, and the mechanical recording (from Finale?) certainly doesn't do it justice. But it's the first time I've heard something so dissonant from you Larry and I'm enjoying every minute of it.

Dara: Thanks for your words about my work. I have a few ideas for the coming months... So I won't run out! wink And thanks for offering your insights for all those works so far. It's been very smooth so far I think!


I'm glad that you like it, Nikolas. I rarely write in this manner - leaning slightly toward atonality.

My sequencer is Sonar BTW.

Regards.





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#1997447 - 12/10/12 04:51 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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I'm bumping this because I've added all the links in the first post of the thread and will continue to do so for any new works coming in...
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#2005845 - 12/29/12 01:03 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Well, it's still December so I get to add something else. I found this when I was going through my music folders. It's a little piece I wrote a while ago with a non-stop motor rhythm.

Score:
https://www.box.com/s/dz5f52h92ro8tcxe64r7

Midi:
https://www.box.com/s/s35f6ybd3ho2kmcz7uaz

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#2005864 - 12/29/12 01:55 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Allazart]
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Gregory,

That is some nice work. I can hear something high and sustained, something of a different timbre, starting in the treble after about 12 to 15 measures. It would not detract from the very engaging, firey rhythm, but would provide sustaining interest because of the contrast.

I am only getting 4 pages of the score, however.

This work deserves completing.
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#2006864 - 12/31/12 03:41 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Thanks LoPresti!

I deliberately wrote it in one part but that's an interesting idea. I could take it further.

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#2006913 - 12/31/12 07:53 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Here's the music I was referring to in the other thread (http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post1995767)
I may have posted it before...can't recall. It would have been several years ago anyway.

Score:
https://www.box.com/s/2ng22ha9w33dssy1w4jr

Midi:
https://www.box.com/s/ruptaerivsjz8ad1af47

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#2008458 - 01/03/13 10:16 AM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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I decided not to wait for January's thread so here's a new piece that's the polar opposite of Elegy. I call it Luminous. I've sent the score to Nikolas so hopefully he'll get that up soon.

https://soundcloud.com/pantonality

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#2008469 - 01/03/13 10:40 AM The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Hi Steve,

That is one very nice piece of music! I loved the shape, the arch, and the development within. I lost track of how many major keys you transversed, but if you said "ALL", I would not be surprised.

I am particularly fond of the way you junxtapose tone-centers so that they create tension, but do not clash harshly. Great skill!

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#2008556 - 01/03/13 02:06 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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Ed,

Thank you for listening and for your kind words. I very much appreciate them. I haven't counted up how many major keys I traverse, but I'm pretty sure it's not all.

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#2008591 - 01/03/13 02:52 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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I will move ahead tonight (Europe) to start the new thread and post steve's piece and the score! More to come later on (busy right now...)... Thanks Steve!
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#2008663 - 01/03/13 05:41 PM Re: The - DECEMBER - depository of compositions from PianoWorld [Re: Nikolas]
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