Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Topic Options
#1995376 - 12/06/12 09:38 AM Re: The Lock Outs, the Minnesota Orchestra and the SPCO [Re: tomasino]
Kreisler Offline



Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13789
Loc: Iowa City, IA
Originally Posted By: tomasino
It's a matter of self-confidence, trust in the future, and keeping our fingers crossed.


That's probably exactly what the board was telling itself in 2008. smile
_________________________
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#1995400 - 12/06/12 10:43 AM Re: The Lock Outs, the Minnesota Orchestra and the SPCO [Re: Kreisler]
tomasino Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/24/05
Posts: 2039
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: tomasino
It's a matter of self-confidence, trust in the future, and keeping our fingers crossed.


That's probably exactly what the board was telling itself in 2008. smile


You're right, K. But the solution they came up with was based on math using erroneous numbers and the arrogance of power, all else to be ignored, or dealt with by fiat, or simply ignored for awhile. They did not consider the culture of Minnesota, the pride we take in our orchestra, and the quality we have come to expect, they did not consider the culture of music and the arts, they did not realistically consider the fact that they had a union to deal with, and they did not consider that both the State Legislature and the musicians could only be dealt with in a straightforward and honest. Consquently, their solution was absurdly foolish. Anyone who expected such a plan, implemented by edict, and ratified by trust in the future, was fooling themselves while attempting to fool others. It didn't work. We're on to them.

And look at the mess they've made.

We need realistic people, people of trust, integrity and judgement to deal with the problem as it stands now.Then we can again look to the future with an element of hope. I've still got my fingers crossed.

Tomasino


Edited by tomasino (12/06/12 04:31 PM)
_________________________
"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do so with all thy might." Ecclesiastes 9:10


Top
#1995546 - 12/06/12 04:43 PM Re: The Lock Outs, the Minnesota Orchestra and the SPCO [Re: tomasino]
tomasino Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/24/05
Posts: 2039
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Congratulations are in order to Conductor Osmo Vanska and the MINNESOTA ORCHESTRA. Last evening they won a Grammy nomination for their recent recording of Sibelius symphonies number 2 and 5.

http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/182299481.html?refer=y&refer=y

Tomasino
_________________________
"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do so with all thy might." Ecclesiastes 9:10


Top
#1996227 - 12/08/12 02:31 AM Re: The Lock Outs, the Minnesota Orchestra and the SPCO [Re: tomasino]
tomasino Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/24/05
Posts: 2039
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Representative Kahn says core issue in Minnesota Orchestra dispute is values, not budgets:

"One of the chief reasons I am proud to be a Minnesotan is the value we have historically placed on culture and the arts. It is from this core value that we have been successful in developing and maintaining one of the world’s most renowned orchestras: the Minnesota Orchestra.

Unfortunately, I am afraid that this Minnesota value is one that will soon be compromised by a desire of the Minnesota Orchestra’s Board of Directors to transform it into a corporate structure, rather than a state tradition. Instead of engaging in thoughtful conversations with all stakeholders about how to efficiently trim their budget, the board would rather leave the heavy lifting to its musicians — cutting their pay considerably."

Here's the full article:

http://www.minnpost.com/community-voices...ues-not-budgets

Tomasino


Edited by tomasino (12/08/12 02:42 AM)
_________________________
"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do so with all thy might." Ecclesiastes 9:10


Top
#1999942 - 12/15/12 05:31 PM Re: The Lock Outs, the Minnesota Orchestra and the SPCO [Re: tomasino]
JessicaB Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/04/09
Posts: 125
My point was that the negotiations themselves are private - there is give and take. I have been involved in negotiations, and there is a lot of misinformation that is presented to the public through unreliable sources. Usually, the more the parties can focus on what is going at the table itself, the quicker these issues are resolved and the more favorably for both parties. Ultimately, if the parties cannot come to a resolution, the organizations fail and no one wins.

Top
#2002520 - 12/21/12 08:35 AM Re: The Lock Outs, the Minnesota Orchestra and the SPCO [Re: tomasino]
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7430
Loc: Rochester MN
For those of you who are following this situation, here is another development in the ongoing saga:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/12/20/lawmakers-call-for-hearing-into-minn-orchestra-finances/
_________________________
Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.

Top
#2003126 - 12/22/12 02:48 PM Re: The Lock Outs, the Minnesota Orchestra and the SPCO [Re: tomasino]
KillerCharlie Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/21/09
Posts: 142
Hopefully there's no long term damage to the orchestra. Though I only went there a couple times growing up, I prefer it to my current location's (Seattle) orchestra and venue.

Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
ad (Casio)
Celviano by Casio Rebate
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
New Topics - Multiple Forums
need help with deciding between digital and acoustic
by luvboise713
09/18/14 04:16 PM
Sight reading problems
by pianosNpreschooler
09/18/14 03:23 PM
Hello! I have a question about playing for cocktail parties.
by albumblatter
09/18/14 03:10 PM
Piano Concerto in F, Op. 2 Arensky, Anton
by antony
09/18/14 02:33 PM
How Much Are Piano Lessons Usually
by Korsario
09/18/14 01:56 PM
Who's Online
131 registered (accordeur, ajames, 3times2, AEMontoya, 40 invisible), 1511 Guests and 19 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
76237 Members
42 Forums
157606 Topics
2315027 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission