This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
|
|
69902 Members
40 Forums
143536 Topics
2076723 Posts
Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
|
|
|
#1995787 - 12/07/12 06:16 AM
A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 2763
|
There are very few contemporary piano concertos that are heard or performed these days, even though many of them are very accessible (as in 'melodious'....). In fact, the most recent piano concerto that I ever hear regularly is Barber's, and that is 50 years old and in a post-Romantic idiom (and his Violin Concerto is performed far more widely, even so).
So, how about contemporary concertos that are truly contemporary, by living composers, and in a recognizably contemporary idiom but still 'accessible' even to those of us who think that piano concertos ended with Rach/Pag (or, at a pinch, with Bartok's 3rd....)?
There's Einojuhani Rautavaara's, which have been recorded (including by Ashkenazy), but I nominate a concerto by one of his pupils, Kimmo Hakola, instead, because it sounds truly modern, even from the start (ethereal high-lying violins over growling contra-bassoons), and its language is quite unlike that of any other piano concerto, encompassing not just Nordic gloom but also klezma, jazz, folk, Rachmaninoff-like romanticism and melodic & harmonic invention, Bartokian-like abrasiveness as well as moments of sheer beauty within its nine movements (one of which is a Cadenza for solo piano) and close to an hour. There's a great recording of it by Henri Sigfridsson.
My other nomination is André Previn's Piano Concerto, written for Vladimir Ashkenazy (who also recorded it with Previn). Apparently, the composer had said it's too difficult for him to play, because it was written with Ashkenazy's techical prowess in mind. And Ashkenazy wanted 'tunes', which he duly got, especially in the slow movement. He also got a bit of jazz too, and Previn has thrown in a bit of 'Russianness' into the mix. What a pity it's not been taken up by other pianists since (as far as I know), as it's not just entertaining and tuneful but also beautiful in places, just like Hakola's in his very different manner.
So, do you know a piano concerto by a living composer that you feel is unjustly neglected even though it's 'accessible'?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1995789 - 12/07/12 06:20 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 2523
Loc: Manchester, UK
|
I like the Peter Sculthorpe piano concerto. There are also some great ones by Schnittke. Mind you, I'm not that fussed about the music I listen to being 'accessible'.
_________________________
Kapustin - Preludes Op. 53, Nos. 8, 12, 9 and 10 Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean Esa-Pekka Salonen - Organisme, from Dichotomie Chopin - Ballade No. 4
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1995790 - 12/07/12 06:24 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: debrucey]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 2763
|
I like the Peter Sculthorpe piano concerto. There are also some great ones by Schnittke. Mind you, I'm not that fussed about the music I listen to being 'accessible'. I haven't heard Sculthorpe's concerto yet but his other music certainly sounds wonderful (with or without didgeridoo....). Incidentally, while we're Down Under, Carl Vine's Piano Concerto was recently performed by Piers Lane - hopefully a recording will come out eventually.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1995797 - 12/07/12 06:52 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
Full Member
Registered: 11/26/12
Posts: 107
Loc: Poland
|
Krzysztof Penderecki piano concerto is remarkable, you shold look at this.
Edited by kapelli (12/07/12 06:53 AM)
_________________________
Piano amateur and piano lover
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1995798 - 12/07/12 06:58 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: kapelli]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 2763
|
Krzysztof Penderecki piano concerto is remarkable, you shold look at this. Thanks, I will. Which Polish pianist(s) has played it?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1995838 - 12/07/12 08:28 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
6000 Post Club Member
Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 6513
|
Lang Lang playing Nigel Hess's Queen Mother concerto sets the bar for "accessible".
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1995840 - 12/07/12 08:31 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: wr]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 2763
|
Lang Lang playing Nigel Hess's Queen Mother concerto sets the bar for "accessible".
It reflects the tastes of the Royal Family, which means 'no dissonances' (unless it's rock music.....  ).
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1995924 - 12/07/12 11:45 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 1974
Loc: San Jose, CA
|
He isn't alive, but Lutoslawski's Piano Concerto (1987) is a masterpiece. It was written for Krystian Zimerman.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1995999 - 12/07/12 02:10 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
Full Member
Registered: 06/15/11
Posts: 140
|
Lol, I just listened to Rautavaara's 3rd piano concerto (which is also written for Ashkenazy) and then I read this. I really like Rautavaara's neo-romantic style. I think his music has just the right amount of modernism in it.
Kapustin has composed at least one piano concerto, hasn't he?
Olli Mustonen composed his first symphony in 2011 and is composing a second one. Maybe a piano concerto is coming soon?
Edit: There's a Fantasy for piano and string orchestra by Mustonen.
Edited by Verbum mirabilis (12/08/12 04:09 AM)
_________________________
Mozart: sonata in C major, K 330 Bach: invention in a minor Palmgren: Preludio Funebre, Svanen Prokofiev: Visions fugitives 5 & 10 Debussy: La Fille aux cheveux de lin
The harp is a naked piano.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1996010 - 12/07/12 02:39 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: jeffreyjones]
|
1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/31/07
Posts: 1692
Loc: Betelgeuse, baby!
|
He isn't alive, but Lutoslawski's Piano Concerto (1987) is a masterpiece. It was written for Krystian Zimerman. A damn fine work, and one of my personal favorites. I do wonder if most listeners would think of it as "accessible", given that many consider Bartok's first two piano concerti to be "difficult" to listen to. IMHO they aren't any more challenging to listen to than Le Sacre (which most listeners take in eagerly). While I'm at it, I think Salonen's Piano Concerto is another fine work (and, I'd like to think, quite accessible, given its visceral nature and relative consonance). Speaking of Rautavaara, IMHO his Second Piano Concerto is miles ahead of the vapid Third. I'd even put the sometimes laughable First Piano Concerto ahead of the Third.
_________________________
Die Krebs gehn zurücke, Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke, Die Karpfen viel fressen, Die Predigt vergessen.
Die Predigt hat g'fallen. Sie bleiben wie alle.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1996033 - 12/07/12 03:20 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 2523
Loc: Manchester, UK
|
Lang Lang playing Nigel Hess's Queen Mother concerto sets the bar for "accessible".
It reflects the tastes of the Royal Family, which means 'no dissonances' (unless it's rock music.....  ). Is there much dissonance in rock music?
_________________________
Kapustin - Preludes Op. 53, Nos. 8, 12, 9 and 10 Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean Esa-Pekka Salonen - Organisme, from Dichotomie Chopin - Ballade No. 4
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1996265 - 12/08/12 06:06 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: Janus K. Sachs]
|
6000 Post Club Member
Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 6513
|
He isn't alive, but Lutoslawski's Piano Concerto (1987) is a masterpiece. It was written for Krystian Zimerman. A damn fine work, and one of my personal favorites. I do wonder if most listeners would think of it as "accessible", given that many consider Bartok's first two piano concerti to be "difficult" to listen to. IMHO they aren't any more challenging to listen to than Le Sacre (which most listeners take in eagerly). Reading this reminded me of when I was in my early teens (half a century ago) and experiencing a lot of great music for the first time. I loved Bartok's 2nd concerto immediately on first hearing (it was a radio broadcast), and I wanted to hear it again right away (which wasn't so easy to manage back then, where I lived). In contrast, Mozart's concertos weren't particularly accessible to me at that time, and I didn't enjoy them until much later in life.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1996704 - 12/09/12 02:01 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyon
[Re: wr]
|
5000 Post Club Member
Registered: 05/15/07
Posts: 5579
Loc: Down Under
|
Reading this reminded me of when I was in my early teens (half a century ago) and experiencing a lot of great music for the first time. I loved Bartok's 2nd concerto immediately on first hearing (it was a radio broadcast), and I wanted to hear it again right away (which wasn't so easy to manage back then, where I lived). In contrast, Mozart's concertos weren't particularly accessible to me at that time, and I didn't enjoy them until much later in life. My experience too (at much the same time). I was so excited to be discovering Bartok (particularly loved the sonata for 2 pianos and percussion), Stravinsky, Schoenberg - but it was a good ten years before I could really get excited about Mozart.
_________________________
Du holde Kunst...
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1997016 - 12/09/12 05:16 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyon
[Re: bennevis]
|
1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 1294
Loc: Switzerland
|
Ligeti. Not unknown, but a very fine piece IMHO.
Also, Takemitsu: "riverrun". This one's from his somewhat neo-impressionist late style. A beautiful piece of music, though it's just one movement at (IIRC) about 15 minutes, probably not long enough to fit the bill.
I also happen to think André Jolivet's piano concerto is very underplayed (as is most of his output, actually). The harmonic language is a very extended tonality with a generous dash of exoticism. Think of it as a modern Saint-Saens 5.
And I like the Carter concerto, though I doubt it qualifies as "accessible", whatever that means.
_________________________
I have an ice cream. I cannot mail it, for it will melt.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1997070 - 12/09/12 07:40 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyon
[Re: bennevis]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 2390
Loc: Rochester MN
|
Kevin Oldham - Concerto for Piano, Op. 14 - (1991)
Succumbed to AIDs on March 11, 1993 at the age of 32. CD of the concerto is on a disc entitled "Memento Bittersweet" issued by RCA in 1994.
The concerto has received multiple performances and deserves wider recognition.
_________________________
Marty in Minnesota
It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1997076 - 12/09/12 07:58 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyon
[Re: bennevis]
|
Full Member
Registered: 09/13/12
Posts: 22
|
Why not try me? I am a modern composer who writes classical music in a rock idiom. A sound file and free score are available here: http://composersforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/american-anthem
Edited by Gavbrown (12/09/12 08:08 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#1997875 - 12/11/12 12:52 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyon
[Re: bennevis]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 2763
|
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I think it's one of the things (good & bad) about being a pianist that there is such a huge repertoire that noone need ever stray from the concertos of Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin; or alternatively, Brahms, Liszt, Schumann and Grieg; or alternatively Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev and Tchaikovsky....and so on.
As for the ones by Henselt, Scharwenka, Anton Rubinstein, Paderewski, Moszkowski etc, only a very few entreprising pianists even bother to look at them.
Which might be why so many contemporary concertos - even really good ones - today only ever get a few hearings (often only by the pianist it was written for), and then are never heard again. Apart from the ones written for Ashkenazy that I mentioned earlier, there's Marc-André Dalbavie's (written for Leif Ove Andsnes) as well as Salonen's (written for Yefim Bronfman). Will anyone else ever play them?
Then the ones written by pianist-composers, like John Ogdon, whose marvellous concerto has been recorded by him.....and not been heard again since.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2050947 - 03/19/13 04:02 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
Junior Member
Registered: 03/19/13
Posts: 4
|
Actually, I do know of a new accessible, melodic, modern piano concerto. Actually, I just wrote one. If you're interested, I could send you a recording.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2050972 - 03/19/13 04:34 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: Mark4424]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 2763
|
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2050982 - 03/19/13 04:54 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: Mark4424]
|
4000 Post Club Member
Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 4050
Loc: Europe
|
Actually, I do know of a new accessible, melodic, modern piano concerto. Actually, I just wrote one. If you're interested, I could send you a recording. I'm also interested please! If you have trouble uploading your recording somewhere, let me know via PM and I can help. Now, I don't know how this is going to sound but I'm actually working on a piano concerto... It should be accessible to the ears, but not so much to the technicalities (damn difficult concerto...). I'm not too sure on when I'll have something more specific to share, but since my duets are doing so well and I've been posting about them for quite a while, I might as well start bugging you with the concerto as well!  (The Schnittke piano+strings concerto is WONDERFUL! Not too neglected, since I know there've been a few performances AND recordings available thus far, but still...)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2051016 - 03/19/13 06:09 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 1206
Loc: New York City
|
I'm currently writing one as well...  anyone who wants a score should PM me and I can send excerpts once it's finished
_________________________
Regards,
Polyphonist
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2051464 - 03/20/13 04:46 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: Nikolas]
|
Junior Member
Registered: 03/19/13
Posts: 4
|
I should be able to get my brother (the compu-wizard) to put it online tonight, or atleast by this weekend. I'll let you know.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2051580 - 03/20/13 08:47 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: Mark4424]
|
Junior Member
Registered: 03/19/13
Posts: 4
|
Here's my concerto. It's derived (admittedly a long way) from minimalism. I'm including an earlier (solo) piece to compare. The concerto is midi, but works surprisingly well (except at the beginning where there's that weird "pp" = "distance" effect.) Enjoy. www.cheyennesd.net/other/other.html
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2051595 - 03/20/13 09:31 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: Mark4424]
|
1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 1206
Loc: New York City
|
Here's my concerto. It's derived (admittedly a long way) from minimalism. I'm including an earlier (solo) piece to compare. The concerto is midi, but works surprisingly well (except at the beginning where there's that weird "pp" = "distance" effect.) Enjoy. www.cheyennesd.net/other/other.html Interesting.
_________________________
Regards,
Polyphonist
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2051617 - 03/20/13 10:23 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
Full Member
Registered: 06/13/09
Posts: 186
|
I like Esa Pekka Salonen's Concerto and Magnus Lindberg's new Concerto No.2. Both require extraordinary feats of virtuosity, though.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2051827 - 03/21/13 09:45 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 1113
Loc: Helsinki, finland
|
Someone beat me to it, I was just about to mention Lindberg's 2nd concerto  I was able to find the recording of the premiere through classical archives (try here - http://www.classicalarchives.com/work/72052.html ), and the score is available for browsing through on Booseys website. It's a VERY dense scoring - a friend of mine heard the premiere but said she couldn't hear much of Bronfman (possibly because of where she was seated, however). Magnus is a very friendly fellow in addition. His later works (from the last 10-15 years or so) are quite different from his earlier style. He by the way recorded his own first piano concerto (under Salonen's baton), so he's indeed quite a formidable pianist himself.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2051831 - 03/21/13 09:52 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: fnork]
|
2000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 2763
|
Someone beat me to it, I was just about to mention Lindberg's 2nd concerto  I was able to find the recording of the premiere through classical archives (try here - http://www.classicalarchives.com/work/72052.html ), and the score is available for browsing through on Booseys website. It's a VERY dense scoring - a friend of mine heard the premiere but said she couldn't hear much of Bronfman (possibly because of where she was seated, however). Magnus is a very friendly fellow in addition. His later works (from the last 10-15 years or so) are quite different from his earlier style. He by the way recorded his own first piano concerto (under Salonen's baton), so he's indeed quite a formidable pianist himself. Is the Lindberg 2nd one of those concertos for piano against orchestra? I've liked the Lindberg I've heard so far, but a concerto where the pianist is constantly struggling to be heard is somewhat off-putting........
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2052054 - 03/21/13 04:59 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 1113
Loc: Helsinki, finland
|
Is the Lindberg 2nd one of those concertos for piano against orchestra? I've liked the Lindberg I've heard so far, but a concerto where the pianist is constantly struggling to be heard is somewhat off-putting........ It sounds relatively fine in the recording, but its a massive orchestration...Balance is very much of an issue in piano concertos by modernist composers of our times as doublings and octaves aren't an accepted procedure in certain circles. Doublings/octaves, however, is usually what makes the piano audible in a concerto context...There's a funny story about this regarding Lindberg's FIRST piano concerto where he had troubles with balance issues and discussed the matter with my current piano teacher, as well as with Pierre Boulez. Linberg explained to Boulez that he wanted the piano to be heard at all times, to which Boulez replied - "well, then you're going to have another Chopin concerto...". My teacher, who has been a friend of Magnus since they were in their teens, mentioned that for the piano to be heard at all times, octaves and doublings would be necessary - now, with Magnus' compositional aesthetics at that time, he seemed shocked by such a suggestion. Octaves are indeed the worst dissonance for a forward-looking modernist!! (at least I do believe it was Magnus who was shocked by the suggestion, though it might have been Boulez. Lindbergs composigional aesthetics, of course, have changed since then)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2052116 - 03/21/13 07:24 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: Polyphonist]
|
Junior Member
Registered: 03/19/13
Posts: 4
|
Here's my concerto. It's derived (admittedly a long way) from minimalism. I'm including an earlier (solo) piece to compare. The concerto is midi, but works surprisingly well (except at the beginning where there's that weird "pp" = "distance" effect.) Enjoy. www.cheyennesd.net/other/other.html Interesting. Thanks.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2052277 - 03/22/13 05:25 AM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
Full Member
Registered: 02/06/09
Posts: 44
Loc: Atlanta, GA
|
I'm fond of James MacMillan's "The Berserking". You can hear short samples at AllMusic , and the full recording's on Spotify if you have that.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2052956 - 03/23/13 01:33 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: fnork]
|
Full Member
Registered: 06/13/09
Posts: 186
|
Someone beat me to it, I was just about to mention Lindberg's 2nd concerto  I was able to find the recording of the premiere through classical archives (try here - http://www.classicalarchives.com/work/72052.html ), and the score is available for browsing through on Booseys website. Thanks for the link. I attended the West coast premiere in SF, so I'm thrilled to have a recording of the piece.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2052981 - 03/23/13 02:57 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: bennevis]
|
1000 Post Club Member
Registered: 10/31/07
Posts: 1692
Loc: Betelgeuse, baby!
|
Wow, a Second Piano Concerto from Lindberg! He's another personal favorite. I hope I can somehow procure the recording (oddly, ArkivMuic doesn't carry it).
_________________________
Die Krebs gehn zurücke, Die Stockfisch bleiben dicke, Die Karpfen viel fressen, Die Predigt vergessen.
Die Predigt hat g'fallen. Sie bleiben wie alle.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2053499 - 03/24/13 01:50 PM
Re: A favorite accessible contemporary piano concerto, anyone?
[Re: Janus K. Sachs]
|
Full Member
Registered: 06/13/09
Posts: 186
|
Wow, a Second Piano Concerto from Lindberg! He's another personal favorite. I hope I can somehow procure the recording (oddly, ArkivMuic doesn't carry it). It hasn't been officially released as far as I can tell. This work would greatly benefit from a studio recording so the balances can be properly corrected--unless Lindberg wants the piano covered by the orchestra at times!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|