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#1999274 - 12/14/12 06:07 AM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr


This is getting kind of sad - I'm outta here.



For once, we're in total agreement grin.

Let's get back to classical music, and the piano.

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#1999285 - 12/14/12 07:06 AM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: DAVE_250]
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I've always adhered naturally to a healthy diet..lately I've been taking steroids.. yuk... and crave things like onion rings, deep fried mushrooms, hamburgers. I am supposed to gain weight but just hate it. (love the deep fried mushrooms tho). I certainly notice a difference in how i feel. I like an austere diet. all these extra calories make my tummy hurt and i feel so lack luster.
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#1999366 - 12/14/12 10:34 AM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: apple*]
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Yes, op, there is a healthy diet that can improve your playing! It will also improve your health in general and greatly reduce your chances of suffering or dying from heart disease, diabetes, obesity and other illnesses, which are directly related to the disgusting "food" we put in our mouths nowadays. This diet will also greatly improve the chance of this planet remaining inhabitable, as well as ending the unimaginable suffering of the other sentient animals with whom we share this fragile earth. The consequences of us not adopting this lifestyle are already very much in evidence, if we chose to open our eyes to the reality... which tragically, most of mankind is not.

...Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight

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#1999378 - 12/14/12 11:26 AM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: DAVE_250]
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My wife is a vegetarian though I am not. I do understand the ethical considerations and have seen many documentaries on the abuse and general poor treatment of industrial farm animals. (A friend of mine here was a government inspector of a slaughterhouse and arranged for me to have a private tour. I strongly encourage everyone to tour a slaughterhouse. It's a numbing experience.)

I don't have a strong view on this but our ancestors were not vegans and we did not evolve to be vegetarians. I do eat fish, chicken, and meat and try to buy organically raised products.
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#1999394 - 12/14/12 12:18 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: DAVE_250]
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Yes, homo sapiens weren't evolved to be vegans, which is why vegans need vitamin and mineral supplementation to avoid health problems. The best diet for both health and environment is pescetarianism, which is actually what many (- ?most) Japanese are on, and they are the people with the highest life expectancy in the world.

Just avoid endangered species like bluefin tuna; there are many species of fish that are in abundance but unfortunately many people don't eat them.

You really don't need meat from land animals or diary in your diet.

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#1999402 - 12/14/12 12:40 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: bennevis]
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I could easily become vegetarian, but how does one become vegan and give up delicious CHEESE ????

Life without feta cheese? No freshly shaved Parmigiano-Reggiano on (whole wheat) pasta? No ooey-gooey mozzarella on pizza(thick crust, only) ? No Greek saganaki appetizer EVER? I don't know....

I make serious attempts to eat healthy, but shamelessly admit to believing food is one of life's pleasures. Must be the Greek in me.
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#1999463 - 12/14/12 03:14 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: piano joy]
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There is actually a difference between vegetarian and vegan. Vegans don't eat any products that come from animals, vegetarians just don't eat meat, poultry and seafood, but they do eat cheese and eggs, so you can become a vegetarian! smile
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#1999473 - 12/14/12 03:32 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Yes, homo sapiens weren't evolved to be vegans, which is why vegans need vitamin and mineral supplementation to avoid health problems.


...nothing compared with the health problems caused by the vast quantities of cholesterol consumed nowadays and which is only found in animal meat and fluids. B12 and D2 are the most important supplements vegans need, all other essential vitamins and minerals are found in abundance - and better quality - in a well balanced plant-based diet , such as my wife and I eat. We only need B12 supplements because of the sanitised lives we lead nowadays, which means that we do not get the vitamin naturally from bacteria, as do the animals. And D3 is largely derived from sheep's wool, for goodness sake! Incidentally we've never enjoyed our food so much, so much so that we no longer even miss cheese! I'm 61 and have never been healthier (my doctor is amazed at my blood chemistry).

Of course it's for everyone to make their own informed decision about the life they lead, including the food they eat. Having said this, the cruelty and scale of the factory farming of intelligent animals (including fish), with its associated huge pollution, is the greatest crime on earth in my opinion. My fear is that enlightenment and acceptance of the stark truth, although growing, will come too late - far too late for our delicate ecosystems to recover.

My best to you all.

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#1999513 - 12/14/12 06:11 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: DAVE_250]
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I work in a vegan shop and a lot of our customers don't look particularly healthy. Perhaps they haven't done enough research. A friend of mine a few years ago decided to go vegan, but she rather naively sought no dietary advice, she just cut everything out. Two weeks later she became extremely ill.

I could never give up cheese. Or honey, goodness me they don't even sell honey.
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#1999523 - 12/14/12 06:33 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
I work in a vegan shop and a lot of our customers don't look particularly healthy. Perhaps they haven't done enough research.


What you're describing could be reverse causality as well: some of them could have assorted health issues that they are trying to fix through modifying their diet.
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#1999794 - 12/15/12 12:02 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: cruiser]
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Originally Posted By: cruiser
Originally Posted By: bennevis
Yes, homo sapiens weren't evolved to be vegans, which is why vegans need vitamin and mineral supplementation to avoid health problems.


...nothing compared with the health problems caused by the vast quantities of cholesterol consumed nowadays and which is only found in animal meat and fluids. B12 and D2 are the most important supplements vegans need, all other essential vitamins and minerals are found in abundance - and better quality - in a well balanced plant-based diet , such as my wife and I eat. We only need B12 supplements because of the sanitised lives we lead nowadays, which means that we do not get the vitamin naturally from bacteria, as do the animals. And D3 is largely derived from sheep's wool, for goodness sake! Incidentally we've never enjoyed our food so much, so much so that we no longer even miss cheese! I'm 61 and have never been healthier (my doctor is amazed at my blood chemistry).

Of course it's for everyone to make their own informed decision about the life they lead, including the food they eat. Having said this, the cruelty and scale of the factory farming of intelligent animals (including fish), with its associated huge pollution, is the greatest crime on earth in my opinion. My fear is that enlightenment and acceptance of the stark truth, although growing, will come too late - far too late for our delicate ecosystems to recover.

My best to you all.


The omega 3 fatty acids from fish and seafood (EPA and DHA) is different from that in the plants that contain these like flaxseed (ALA), which isn't found to offer the kind of cardio-protective and anti-inflammatory effects. We eat the wrong ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 in the West, which vegan diets don't do much to reverse. There is a (very high-dose) omega 3 supplement which is currently prescribed to people following heart attacks to reduce the risk of a subsequent attack in the immediate aftermath, which is entirely derived from fish/seafood, and is also used to treat people with high levels of triglycerides.

As for those unable to stop eating cheese, just think of it as salted lard. It tastes like that to me..... grin

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#1999808 - 12/15/12 12:38 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: DAVE_250]
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As long as you're mentioning fat ... smile

By the way, my grandmother cooked with lard and butter ... she lived to be 95.

I've watched this twice ...

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#1999813 - 12/15/12 12:50 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: Dave Horne]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
As long as you're mentioning fat ... smile

By the way, my grandmother cooked with lard and butter ... she lived to be 95.

I've watched this twice ...



You've confirmed what I've suspected from your post about your cholesterol level - you have inherited great genes. (I hope you're passing them on....grin). Just like our Royal Family.

I'm not jealous.... cry

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#1999814 - 12/15/12 12:54 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: DAVE_250]
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Lard is nice. I cook chips in it and occasionally make pastry with it.
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#1999819 - 12/15/12 01:11 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: Dave Horne]
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Loc: St. Louis area
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
As long as you're mentioning fat ... smile

By the way, my grandmother cooked with lard and butter ... she lived to be 95.


I still cook with lard and butter. I wouldn't use anything but lard for a pie crust.
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#1999841 - 12/15/12 01:52 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
As long as you're mentioning fat ... smile

By the way, my grandmother cooked with lard and butter ... she lived to be 95.


I still cook with lard and butter. I wouldn't use anything but lard for a pie crust.


Nor would I.
That's why I don't make pies grin. I prefer to munch on them, like the mince pie that's in my mouth right now....

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#1999852 - 12/15/12 02:09 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
As long as you're mentioning fat ... smile

By the way, my grandmother cooked with lard and butter ... she lived to be 95.


I still cook with lard and butter. I wouldn't use anything but lard for a pie crust.


You know, since I recently started cooking with butter I am always reminded of my grandmother ... the smell of butter cooking triggers memories from my childhood.
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#1999869 - 12/15/12 02:53 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: Dave Horne]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
You know, since I recently started cooking with butter I am always reminded of my grandmother ... the smell of butter cooking triggers memories from my childhood.
Aww. 3hearts It's interesting how smells trigger memories.
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#1999879 - 12/15/12 03:14 PM Re: Is diet underestimated [Re: DAVE_250]
Birgitte Offline
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After I started rock climbing I hace actually gotten better technically at the piano... I guess a greater arm strenght gives a better velocity. I normally have long school days combined with staying at school afterwards to study and play the piano. If I don't eat well, work out or sleep well I would notice it in my performance level at once. I think and belive that a healthy life is extremely important to perform, and also prevent injuries.

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