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#2013490 - 01/12/13 02:51 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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wayne, what measure numbers mark off parts I, II and III for you in 85/2?

Can you find and play the melody all by itself? At which measures is it hard to find?

Some other questions are: what key is it in? Do you hear any phrases within the larger sections? Are there any repeated patterns? At what measures does the piece deviate from the overall pattern?

It's OK if you don't know any of these -- just say so if so. I'm looking for a baseline to start from.
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#2013492 - 01/12/13 02:52 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I've gone over to the sonata thread smile Yeah, I can pick out the melody to part I, but not part II smile


Edited by wayne33yrs (01/12/13 03:01 PM)

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#2013539 - 01/12/13 04:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Is that these? ...



Nice - I didn't even realise they were available online like that. The first dozen or so were the first things I tried on piano. I guess if people decided to go with this for a recital, I'd try and find one that was the right kind of challenge, rather than just do No.1 like I said. smile Personally though, I'd hope that was a little way off.

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#2013545 - 01/12/13 04:28 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I think I may up for Book 1, Number 1. I may have to practise my C major scale first.

I thought they were still in copyright, Wayne. Is that site kosher?
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#2013555 - 01/12/13 04:43 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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"Links removed"



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#2014348 - 01/14/13 10:54 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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So darned glad I picked OP 38 4 and not 5 . . .Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!! Listen to it on Youtube . . at least you can snip the music off the screen . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuhfY5cInSI
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#2014558 - 01/14/13 05:26 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Pmsl Peterws wink

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#2014629 - 01/14/13 08:34 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Does pms mean what I think?
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#2014732 - 01/15/13 02:36 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I wonder if I can sign up for a third piece. Since I have been playing quite a few of the Mendelssohn's Songs Without Words for years, the challenge of participating at this recital isn't awfully great. In fact I already had a recording of one of my two pieces when I first signed up.

The piece I'm considering is the E-major Presto, Op.38/3. I attempted to play this piece twenty years ago and gave up after a few attempts. But during the last couple of weeks I have worked a bit on it and I think I can manage it within some weeks from now. My abilty of learning new stuff has apparently become better after I turned 60.

Of course, if somebody else want to play Op.38/3 I will not stand in their way. But if this song remains free, I can continue working on it (certainly I can do this anyhow - it is a most beautiful piece). What do you think? Is three pieces too much for one performer within the frames of this recital?

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#2014807 - 01/15/13 07:38 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I would say pieces that are unclaimed at this stage, Ganddalf, are not going to be fought over and alternative interpretations are a good thing anyway. Why else do we do this thing (playing classical music)?

At worst, Wayne can turn down your submission - or phsl at the thought. smile

Knock yourself out, as they say.
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#2014858 - 01/15/13 09:58 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I just don't want to give the impression that I'm a great Mendelssohn specialist and I want to avoid dominating too much. But Op.38/3 is a very nice piece, and somebody should play it.

Maybe I should just continue working with it without reserving it. And if it is still not taken when the recital draws near I can sign up for it then.

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#2014872 - 01/15/13 11:06 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Maybe I should just continue working with it without reserving it. And if it is still not taken when the recital draws near I can sign up for it then.

I believe that's what Wayne is doing with 53/3, 67/4 and 85/3. smile

If there weren't so many to choose from we'd have either had multiple plays of each piece or people turned away and who wants to have people turned away?

It's the participation that counts and the camaraderie of shared effort.

I don't think we need all the pieces done at the expense of not being able to pick one or two personal favourites and I'd have preferred to have many interpretations of popular pieces than one each of less favoured choices although it has had the bonus of all 48 being subjected to very careful listening and I have personally profited from that.

My Mendelssohn repertoire thus far had consisted of his Christmas pieces and his Scherzo in E minor. Although I've heard all these before, and have them on CD, I've not really listened.
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#2015058 - 01/15/13 05:56 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Go for it Ganddalf, wink I did notice your previous Mendelssohn thread, and wondered! (is there an emoticon with rolling eyes?)


Edited by wayne33yrs (01/15/13 05:57 PM)
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#2015369 - 01/16/13 09:34 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Well, at least I decided studying the piece. I can't guarantee that I manage to learn it well enough before the deadline, but I give it a try.

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#2015462 - 01/16/13 12:37 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I see you all are working on your pieces very hard. That’s encouraging.


I’ve memorized the whole sheet music, and am getting some musicality with my playing, or at least I’d like to think so. But I still play my piece slowly (about half tempo of a proper andante).

Sometimes I believe that I will be able to get a decent performance, but other times I think this work is too difficult for my piano level and finally my recording will end up sounding ridiculous. Yes, I know these are typical thoughts from a beginner.

So I find very hopeful Richard’s comments about practicing at slow tempo constantly. Maybe these advices work for me as well smile.
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#2015853 - 01/17/13 12:01 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Well after another discussion with my teacher today, I have decided it is only proper to withdraw my name from the recital as he would like me to focuse on other pieces for the moment; he says we take up the Mendelssohn piece another time. While I am really quite dismayed at the prospect of this, I had hoped to finally participate in PW recital, I respect his opinion and I know he would not suggest this without reason. If I had more experience with Mendelssohn's "Songs" I would consider the idea of working on my own, but I fear this would only result in a half-baked version of the piece. I have too much respect for Mendelssohn and this forum to submit a subpar version. I shall have wait for the next themed recital. C'est la vie!

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#2015959 - 01/17/13 06:56 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Recaredo]
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You might find some relevant info in the sonata analysis thread, Recaredo. Especially the last couple of days on Wayne's piece, Op. 85/2.

Don't forget to throw in a question if you have any problems. It doesn't interrupt the thread.
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#2015961 - 01/17/13 07:01 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: IreneAdler]
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The piece you chose, Irene, was not insignificant. The choice of material was very difficult for the ABF and many eager players were unable to participate. Thanks for your effforts and don't feel bad. You teacher knows what's best for you and wouldn't have put the brakes on without good reason.

There will be other Themed Recitals in the future with much lower entry requirements.
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#2015976 - 01/17/13 07:44 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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The piece you chose, Irene, was not insignificant. The choice of material was very difficult for the ABF and many eager players were unable to participate. Thanks for your effforts and don't feel bad. You teacher knows what's best for you and wouldn't have put the brakes on without good reason.

There will be other Themed Recitals in the future with much lower entry requirements.


Great words of encouragement for Irene - and great news about future Themed Recitals smile
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#2016047 - 01/17/13 10:37 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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Originally Posted By: zrtf90
You might find some relevant info in the sonata analysis thread, Recaredo. Especially the last couple of days on Wayne's piece, Op. 85/2.

Don't forget to throw in a question if you have any problems. It doesn't interrupt the thread.



Thanks Richard! I'll keep it in mind!
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#2016126 - 01/17/13 12:57 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Sorry to lose you IreneAdler frown

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major - musicusblau
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor - EmilioAlvarezCid
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major -
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor - musicusblau
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major - Oleg Yakerevich
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major - Alan Chan

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major - Ganddalf
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener


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#2016140 - 01/17/13 01:24 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I spotted the vistors, Wayne smile
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#2016165 - 01/17/13 02:12 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Yep, I've 9 more participants to find, off I go smile

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#2016602 - 01/18/13 09:42 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Ganddalf I'll look forward to hearing you play Mendelssohn with your experience as foundation. This is my first real foray into his music and I'm enjoying it but it's not an easy process for sure. My teacher "doesn't like" this one I'm working on (53#4) which is a de-motivator. I've played long enough to work on it on my own and I'll work with her once I've mastered the fingering and have a reasonable tempo. She'll help me when she knows I'm set on the piece. Over the years I've come to accept that she is VERY opinionated about the music. I never take popular or rock music to my lessons. She had never heard of stairway to heaven but we've known each other for 30 years so I appreciate her musical knowledge and learn on other music.

Progress report: At this point, I'm able to play it but still have glitchy phrases and I'm only at half tempo. My soul just moves more slowly I guess. :-)
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#2016819 - 01/18/13 05:05 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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While, it's not one of the Songs Without Words, Album Leaf Op. 117 is a song without words. Would there be any possibility in including it?

I've been working on it for a few months now. It's memorized, but still way short of performance quality. Currently I'm trying to rework the fingering so that I stop destroying my left hand.
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#2016835 - 01/18/13 05:57 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Ganddalf]
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Ha ha was just looking at op38 3. I see you`re interested, Ganddalf. I`ve just listened to it. . . .`nuff said!

Go for it man . . .too deep for me. Really is!

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#2016869 - 01/18/13 07:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Oh no!! , what am I like? sorry Ganddalf, it's YOURS if you want it smile

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#2016908 - 01/18/13 08:22 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Have we got a date for this one yet?
I could probably squeeze another one in if it's going to be a couple of months.

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#2017147 - 01/19/13 09:25 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne, I don't insist on playing 38/3. Actually it is on the hard side for me. And I can still practice it and use it on a later occation.

However, I see that 85/5 is still free. You can put me up on that one.

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#2017255 - 01/19/13 01:16 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: timmyab]
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Will do Ganddalf wink

Originally Posted By: timmyab
Have we got a date for this one yet?
I could probably squeeze another one in if it's going to be a couple of months.


At least a couple of months smile

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