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#1992477 - 11/29/12 03:46 PM The great piano scam
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Just came across this on youtube. Never heard of it before and found it fascination. Joyce Hatto.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSaGMaA3eA4
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#1992480 - 11/29/12 03:51 PM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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There was considerable discussion of this in the Pianist Corner back in 2007.

For example :

Hatto Hoax

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#1992487 - 11/29/12 04:11 PM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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Nice find! But it's hard to believe that the experts don't recognise such copies... or is that video itself a hoax laugh
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#1992489 - 11/29/12 04:13 PM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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There was an article in the New Yorker as I recall.
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#1992491 - 11/29/12 04:22 PM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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I must have missed it the first time around on PW.
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#1992521 - 11/29/12 05:47 PM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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I watched something about this awhile ago (maybe even this video) and though I was a little familiar with the story, didn't realize she released several recordings with fictitious orchestras. How did that avoid being noticed immediately?
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#1992523 - 11/29/12 05:50 PM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Damon]
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Here is one of the artists she ripped off.

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#1992594 - 11/29/12 09:00 PM Re: The great piano scam [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
There was considerable discussion of this in the Pianist Corner back in 2007.

For example :

Hatto Hoax



And Hatto Redux

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#1992596 - 11/29/12 09:03 PM Re: The great piano scam [Re: wouter79]
wr Offline
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Originally Posted By: wouter79
Nice find! But it's hard to believe that the experts don't recognise such copies... or is that video itself a hoax laugh


Hamelin didn't recognize his own recording of some of the ChopGods when they turned up in the Hatto version. Granted, they were tweaked a little, but still, you'd think something would sound a bit familiar.

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#1996708 - 12/09/12 02:14 AM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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I think people on the whole just want to believe a story like that could be true. I mean it's tragic, with its own form of romance.

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#1996732 - 12/09/12 04:13 AM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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Here's the entire New Yorker magazine article from 2007.
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#1996749 - 12/09/12 05:30 AM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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For those in the UK there's a dramadoc being shown by the Beeb on the 27th. I guess it shows the level of interest in this still. Here's a trailer....

Loving Miss Hatto
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#1996810 - 12/09/12 08:54 AM Re: The great piano scam [Re: Ralph]
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Those old Hatto threads here at PW were quite good.
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#1996819 - 12/09/12 09:12 AM Re: The great piano scam [Re: EJR]
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Originally Posted By: EJR
For those in the UK there's a dramadoc being shown by the Beeb on the 27th. I guess it shows the level of interest in this still. Here's a trailer....

Loving Miss Hatto


Thanks for posting this. I fortunately receive BBC1 (and BBC2) here in Holland.
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#1996856 - 12/09/12 10:38 AM Re: The great piano scam [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr

Hamelin didn't recognize his own recording of some of the ChopGods when they turned up in the Hatto version. Granted, they were tweaked a little, but still, you'd think something would sound a bit familiar.


Yea, this is the weirdest thing, when I listen to another recording of something I've played, if they play it the "same way" I would take notice. That's pretty impressive modification.

I think if they are really "original" in some way, then I think they can be appreciated in their own way, with some caveats of course lol.


Edited by trigalg693 (12/09/12 10:49 AM)

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