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#1999424 - 12/14/12 01:39 PM Where did the "who's on line" go?
casinitaly Offline


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Is it just me or is that no longer a feature available to us?

I rather like being able to check out who is hanging about.
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#1999427 - 12/14/12 01:43 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Good question. I use that feature, too. For awhile a couple of us southwest-late-night-other-parts-of-the-world posters would have some chat fests when we discovered we were all online.

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#1999452 - 12/14/12 02:51 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: jotur]
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I've been missing this feature as well. I really like it!
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#1999481 - 12/14/12 04:12 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Maybe we'll have to ask Frank to bring it back smile
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#1999487 - 12/14/12 04:21 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Frank probably has no clue its gone... smile

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#1999489 - 12/14/12 04:26 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
Frank probably has no clue its gone... smile

Well, ...now he does smile

I just sent a message and asked about it .
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#1999531 - 12/14/12 06:47 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: Mark...
Frank probably has no clue its gone... smile

Well, ...now he does smile

I just sent a message and asked about it .



He answers his pm's even slower... smile

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#1999535 - 12/14/12 06:54 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: Mark...]
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Another Mark had asked the question here a few days ago, but there were no replies (although there are 36 views). I am not bothered by the disappearance of this feature, but I can understand others might like it...
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#1999547 - 12/14/12 07:20 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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It's back!

On my view it's at the bottom of the right-hand column.

Yea, Frank!

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#1999675 - 12/15/12 03:44 AM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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yup! I see it too.

smile

Thanks Frank!
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#1999727 - 12/15/12 08:44 AM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Yes, I see it. Thanks Frank!!
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#1999728 - 12/15/12 08:45 AM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Gee, I never knew you could stalk people like that smile . Maybe I'll go and snoop--but then others will know that I'm "checking who's online."
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#1999772 - 12/15/12 11:12 AM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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yes it's there

>161 registered , 1524 guests

interesting, I never realized that the guests were so much more than the registered
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#1999792 - 12/15/12 12:00 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Another Mark had asked the question here a few days ago, but there were no replies (although there are 36 views).

Sure did! smile

I didn't notice this thread till just now.

Casinitaly: Good job!

Originally Posted By: wouter79
yes it's there

>161 registered , 1524 guests

interesting, I never realized that the guests were so much more than the registered

I was surprised when I first noticed that too. Another sign of it is how many more "views" there are than replies on almost every thread -- usually about 10:1.

Apparently gajillions of people like to look up things on here or just find their way here via internet searches. Our site is read by many more people than just those who post.

The most striking stats of all are on the "Just for those totally devoted to Chopin" thread -- the ratio there is about 1000:1!

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#1999807 - 12/15/12 12:36 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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I think that members show up as guests when they just come to have a look, but don't sign in. I rarely log out, (lazzzzzzy smile

There are a number of threads I read but don't reply to --- including the Chopin one, RST, Calling Jerry Groot, Piano Bar and so on... I just can't keep up with all of them though and tend to just focus on one or two main ones.
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#1999812 - 12/15/12 12:50 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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One of the main benefits of the feature for me has been finding cool old threads. It's the main way I've found them -- seeing that someone online had somehow found it. Like, when I was working on a Scriabin sonata, I happened to see that someone was reading a very old discussion of the piece and I then clicked on it. Sure, I could probably have found it myself by a search, but I'm just not very interested in doing that (too much like "research" and I'm not here for work) grin plus, a lot of those interesting old threads have been on topics that I never would have thought of looking for myself.

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#1999826 - 12/15/12 01:21 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Another Mark had asked the question here a few days ago, but there were no replies (although there are 36 views).

Sure did! smile

I didn't notice this thread till just now.

Casinitaly: Good job!

Originally Posted By: wouter79
yes it's there

>161 registered , 1524 guests

interesting, I never realized that the guests were so much more than the registered

I was surprised when I first noticed that too. Another sign of it is how many more "views" there are than replies on almost every thread -- usually about 10:1.

Apparently gajillions of people like to look up things on here or just find their way here via internet searches. Our site is read by many more people than just those who post.

The most striking stats of all are on the "Just for those totally devoted to Chopin" thread -- the ratio there is about 1000:1!



The majority of the time I read PW I'm not logged in, so I fall in the guest category. I lurked for almost a year before I registered. So between dedicated lurkers and registered users not being logged in, it's not surprising (to me) that the number of guests is high.

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Another sign of it is how many more "views" there are than replies on almost every thread -- usually about 10:1.


10:1 (10%) seems high to me. More like 2.5-5%, based on eyeball calculations (and a few with calculator in hand :)).

The 2.5-5% reply rate seems pretty typical of several other forums I frequent. Maybe it says something about the prevalence of certain personality types amongst the public, who knows?
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#1999838 - 12/15/12 01:45 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: Stubbie]
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Originally Posted By: Stubbie
10:1 (10%) seems high to me. More like 2.5-5%, based on eyeball calculations (and a few with calculator in hand :)).

The 2.5-5% reply rate seems pretty typical of several other forums I frequent. Maybe it says something about the prevalence of certain personality types amongst the public, who knows?

You're right!
I haven't been paying close enough attention. grin

The ratio of views to posts is even more extreme than I thought.
Where I got the other figure (I guess): From another site I've participated in (on baseball). The usual ratio there is 'only' about 10:1, and I just forgot that it's not the same on here. I may have never quite noticed that it was so much higher here in general. (I did notice the very extreme ratio on the Chopin thread.)

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#2000147 - 12/16/12 07:50 AM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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So what's a "spider" on the "Who's Online" scoreboard?
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#2000213 - 12/16/12 11:28 AM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: ClsscLib]
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Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
So what's a "spider" on the "Who's Online" scoreboard?


It is a "web crawler".... smile Google and other search engines use spiders to index information. Spider - web - world wide web.... Geeky humour smile ?
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#2000274 - 12/16/12 02:05 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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#2000282 - 12/16/12 02:18 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
So what's a "spider" on the "Who's Online" scoreboard?

It is a "web crawler".... smile Google and other search engines use spiders to index information. Spider - web - world wide web.... Geeky humour smile ?

I never knew either.

And really I still don't. ha

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#2000331 - 12/16/12 04:04 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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#2000438 - 12/16/12 08:35 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict

OK....

Why would that be a thing that is included (fairly routinely, I gather) in site info, such as in something like "Who's Online"?

In other words: who cares, why is it of interest, what do we gain from knowing it?

That was the main thing I didn't get after the first description (because it made me think I wasn't understanding what it was).

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#2000441 - 12/16/12 08:41 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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I've always found the spider count interesting. When I google on a topic being discussed here, google's spiders have almost always been here already to index the discussion. No doubt there are also spiders seeking email addresses to spam.
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#2000445 - 12/16/12 09:02 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: tangleweeds]
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Originally Posted By: tangleweeds
I've always found the spider count interesting. When I google on a topic being discussed here, google's spiders have almost always been here already to index the discussion. No doubt there are also spiders seeking email addresses to spam.


If you look at the list of spiders (also found in the who's online section) they are all search engine spiders.

They are primarily indexing the threads, but if you have an email address plainly listed in a thread it could well get indexed. If it's only in your profile, they won't get it.

Last time I checked, Google had over 2,600,000 pages indexed for Piano World overall.
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#2000475 - 12/16/12 10:27 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: Piano World]
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Huh -- so, the specific spiders show up?

Where?
(I looked, and didn't find -- including on "Who's Online.")


edit: Aha -- at the bottom of the Who's Online page.
I never looked down that far. smile


Edited by Mark_C (12/16/12 10:29 PM)

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#2000494 - 12/16/12 11:15 PM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Yes, at the bottom of the Who's Online List, it lists the spiders, and what they were "reading"

Search Spider Last Activity Location
Alexa
174.129.228.67 December 16, 2012 11:10 PM Reading a post
Forum: Digital Pianos - Synths & Keyboards
Thread: Piano Sample Software For Mediocre Computer
Google
174.36.222.171 December 16, 2012 11:08 PM Reading a post
Forum: Pianist Corner
Thread: Best way to hold thick sheet music books open
Yahoo
98.137.207.182 December 16, 2012 10:51 PM Reading a post
Forum: Members Recordings - Pianist Corner
Thread: Kingdom Hearts ll - Passion, Kyle Landry's version
Yahoo
98.137.207.173 December 16, 2012 10:49 PM Reading a post
Forum: Piano Forum
Thread: Mathis Music - Sarasota, FL Closing!
Yahoo
110.75.172.98 December 16, 2012 10:47 PM Reading a post
Forum: Piano Tuner-Technicians Forum
Thread: Placing the hammer over the tuning pin correctly (vertical piano)
Yahoo
110.75.172.97 December 16, 2012 10:47 PM Reading a post
Forum: Digital Pianos - Synths & Keyboards
Thread: I tried the Korg sp170
Yahoo
98.137.206.243 December 16, 2012 10:31 PM Reading a post
Forum: Digital Pianos - Synths & Keyboards
Thread: Graded Hammer Standard vs Graded Hammer Keyboard
Google
66.249.75.103 December 16, 2012 10:28 PM Reading a post
Forum: Composer's Lounge
Thread: 2001: A Space Odyssey - Input Please
Yahoo
98.137.207.151 December 16, 2012 10:27 PM Reading a post
Forum: Digital Pianos - Synths & Keyboards
Thread: Yamaha Arius YDP 141 vs. Clavinova CLP 930
Yahoo
98.137.206.225 December 16, 2012 10:25 PM Reading a post
Forum: Digital Pianos - Synths & Keyboards
Thread: Clavinova CLP-220 or Casio AP-45?
Google
66.249.76.125 December 16, 2012 10:22 PM Reading a post
Forum: Adult Beginners Forum
Thread: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin
Yahoo
98.137.207.170 December 16, 2012 10:18 PM Reading a post
Forum: Composer's Lounge
Thread: Casio CPS-80
MSN
131.253.41.203 December 16, 2012 10:04 PM Reading a post
Forum: Piano Forum
Thread: Yamaha G1 Versus GH1, GP1 and GC1
Yahoo
98.137.207.183 December 16, 2012 10:00 PM Reading a post
Forum: Pianist Corner
Thread: Talk Classical top 200 recommended piano works.
Yahoo
98.137.207.169 December 16, 2012 09:53 PM Reading a post
Forum: Digital Pianos - Synths & Keyboards
Thread: Casio PX800 vs. Casio P130 vs. Yamaha YDP140
Yahoo
98.137.206.249 December 16, 2012 09:44 PM Reading a post
Forum: Piano Tuner-Technicians Forum
Thread: LUDWIG piano
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#2001983 - 12/20/12 04:48 AM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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I wonder if it is not a bit too intrusive though... The list even specifies when people are viewing private messages, although it doesn't say from whom... Still...
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#2001986 - 12/20/12 05:03 AM Re: Where did the "who's on line" go? [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
I wonder if it is not a bit too intrusive though... The list even specifies when people are viewing private messages, although it doesn't say from whom... Still...


??
I really don't see anything intrusive about it.

If it showed to whom you were writing or receiving from .. that would be different. So what if someone is writing or reading a private message? As long as you can't see the contents, I can't see that it matters at all.

It is a public forum - what you do is public. What you read or write may be private.
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