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#1999875 - 12/15/12 03:02 PM looking for piece of Beethoven
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Hi ..
I am looking for a piece of Beethoven that part of her goes like this:
A B C,C D, D E, E D, D C B A, D C B A, B B.

i recorded the notes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOHq4h3j5Aw&feature=youtu.be
i hope its helps..

I'd be happy if someone could give me the name of the piece,

Thank you.



Edited by itay diaz (12/16/12 01:52 PM)

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#1999880 - 12/15/12 03:14 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Might help if you could say more about the rhythm, or where the beats are, or anything.
Or even just, is it slow? fast?

Maybe someone can solve it 'as is,' but that would be darn good. smile

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#1999912 - 12/15/12 04:18 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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its slow,and there a part in this piece that in the left hand
you do the notes: A E A , like in "fur elise"

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#1999960 - 12/15/12 06:10 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Are those even the right notes?
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#2000034 - 12/15/12 09:44 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Originally Posted By: itay diaz
Hi ..
I am looking for a piece of Beethoven that part of her goes like this:
A B C,C D, D E, E D, D C B A, D C B A, B B.

I'd be happy if someone could give me the name of the piece,

Thank you.



Which part - the beginning? And are you sure it's by Beethoven?
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#2000075 - 12/16/12 12:16 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux
Are those even the right notes?

Originally Posted By: carey
....And are you sure it's by Beethoven?

I wondered both too.

If we had more info, we'd have a better chance to guess even if some of it isn't right.

Itay: Anything more you can tell us about the piece will help.


Edited by Mark_C (12/16/12 01:05 AM)

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#2000077 - 12/16/12 12:26 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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.....just in case this isn't by Beethoven.....

Story about a time I and my extremely knowledgeable ha buddies mistook something for Beethoven -- right here.


BTW, composers that those notes would have suggested to me:

#1 Bach
#2 Chopin
#3 Beethoven
#4 Brahms

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#2000078 - 12/16/12 12:40 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Have you tried this or this? smile
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#2000086 - 12/16/12 01:06 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Have you tried this or this? smile

Neat sites! But they gave me five incorrect answers in a row.
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#2000090 - 12/16/12 01:21 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: AZNpiano]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Have you tried this or this? smile

Neat sites! But they gave me five incorrect answers in a row.

The first one gave me zero.

The second gave me mostly non-classical even though I specified "classical" and it said "classical."
But BTW most of the classical things it gave were Beethoven, although none of them really resembled what we've got here.

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#2000092 - 12/16/12 01:26 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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I have a feeling the OP gave the wrong notes. Beethoven doesn't do A minor very often.

But those sites are fun when they come up with crazy titles I've never heard of. I guess there are only so many permutations of letters when you don't take into account the register, rhythm, or tempo.
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#2000095 - 12/16/12 01:36 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: AZNpiano]
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I have a feeling the OP gave the wrong notes. Beethoven doesn't do A minor very often.

I wouldn't consider that "the wrong notes." I never assumed it was being given in the exact key, nor that the OP was trying to do that. I actually consider it sort of standard to give 'unknown' melodies in C major or minor (which is what the "Dictionary of Musical Themes" does) or A minor.

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#2000101 - 12/16/12 02:56 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Piece of Beethoven? What kind of piece? Hair? There's a book about that grin

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#2000102 - 12/16/12 03:04 AM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: AldenH]
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Originally Posted By: AldenH
Piece of Beethoven? What kind of piece?....


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#2000257 - 12/16/12 01:34 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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#2000262 - 12/16/12 01:43 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Here you go:


2nd movement of Beethoven's 3rd Cello Sonata. And it IS in a minor.


Edited by MarkH (12/16/12 01:46 PM)
Edit Reason: Changed to a better video
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#2000267 - 12/16/12 01:51 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: MarkH]
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MarkH, thanx but sorry, its not that,
it isn't a sonata, its small piece, and for solo piano.

more ideas?

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#2000277 - 12/16/12 02:10 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Originally Posted By: itay diaz
Hi ..
I am looking for a piece of Beethoven that part of her goes like this:
A B C,C D, D E, E D, D C B A, D C B A, B B.

i recorded the notes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOHq4h3j5Aw&feature=youtu.be
i hope its helps..

I'd be happy if someone could give me the name of the piece,

Thank you.



Two questions :

1) Why are you sure this snippet is by Beethoven?

2) Where/How did you first hear this?

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#2000281 - 12/16/12 02:16 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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This is interesting.

MarkH's example seemed pretty darn close.

Itay, can we ask: Where do you think you got it, and how do you know it's exactly that? (Or at least very close.) I think we've all had instances where we've misremembered a melody, in varying degrees. For example, a while back, I asked about a phrase that was stuck in my mind, and I was pretty sure I had it right but in fact I had one of the harmonies wrong. (Beet314 was able to give the answer anyway.)


(I see that Bruce was posting similarly....)


Edited by Mark_C (12/16/12 02:56 PM)

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#2000287 - 12/16/12 02:29 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: Mark_C]
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I learned this piece with my teacher years ago When I was a kid,
(i am not in contact with this teacher any more..)
I'm very sure that its Beethoven


Edited by itay diaz (12/16/12 02:38 PM)

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#2000291 - 12/16/12 02:37 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Originally Posted By: itay diaz
I learned this piece with my teacher years ago When I was a kid,
I'm very sure that its Beethoven


Too bad you didn't keep the score. grin
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#2000293 - 12/16/12 02:41 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: carey]
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my dog very loved this piece, he even eat the score...

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#2000299 - 12/16/12 02:55 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Originally Posted By: itay diaz
my dog very loved this piece, he even eat the score...

Works for me. grin

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#2000301 - 12/16/12 02:58 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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'Just in case' it's not Beethoven anyway.... grin

Other composers it sounds like:

Mendelssohn
Saint-Saens

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#2000302 - 12/16/12 02:59 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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I'm latching on to a Bagatelle, but I have no idea which one. It just sounds like it might be one. Probably not by Beethoven, though, since I don't think he wrote any in A-minor. Any of the experts have a clue?

I can tell you I've never seen or heard this piece before based on the OP's rendition of the notes they remember.

OP- do you no longer have the sheet music for it anywhere in the house? Do you remember if you played it out of a book, or off a photocopy? (Book would be better.. I'd ask if you remember what book?)
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#2000304 - 12/16/12 03:09 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: Derulux]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux
....Probably not by Beethoven, though, since I don't think he wrote any in A-minor....

Remember, he never said it was in that key. (And even if it was given in A minor in that study book, it wouldn't mean much.)

A couple of other posters took the key sort of seriously, and I think that's a mistake with things like this, including because often there is no attempt or intent to duplicate the actual key -- including in reference books.

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#2000307 - 12/16/12 03:19 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: Derulux]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux
I'm latching on to a Bagatelle, but I have no idea which one. It just sounds like it might be one. Probably not by Beethoven, though, since I don't think he wrote any in A-minor. Any of the experts have a clue?
[...]


I did go through all of the Beethoven "Bagatellen" not searching for A minor but searching for the theme as posted by the OP, but did not find anything resembling the theme he played. Won't I be embarrassed if it turns out to be a Bagatelle?

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#2000309 - 12/16/12 03:22 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: BruceD]
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Won't I be embarrassed if it turns out to be a Bagatelle?

I don't think you'd be the first one here to be embarrassed. grin


BTW, looking up those notes in "Dictionary of Musical Themes" (transposed to C minor, as is needed), the closest examples are by Vivaldi and Frescobaldi. I don't mean I think it's by one of them -- those examples clearly aren't it. Just sayin'. smile

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#2000310 - 12/16/12 03:25 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: BruceD]
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i think its in A minor,
its very reminiscent the "Fur elise"

the couplet of it very reminiscent the couplet of "Fur elise"

maybe this helps?:

a'4 b'4 c''2 c''4 d''2 d''4 e''2 e''4 d''2 d''8 c''8 b'4 a'4 d''8 c''8 b'4 a'4


Edited by itay diaz (12/16/12 03:30 PM)

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#2000314 - 12/16/12 03:37 PM Re: looking for piece of Beethoven [Re: itay diaz]
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Originally Posted By: itay diaz
i think its in A minor,
its very reminiscent the "Fur elise"

the couplet of it very reminiscent the couplet of "Fur elise"

maybe this helps?:

a'4 b'4 c''2 c''4 d''2 d''4 e''2 e''4 d''2 d''8 c''8 b'4 a'4 d''8 c''8 b'4 a'4


What do the numbers represent ???????
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