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#2001267 - 12/18/12 04:28 PM How do you rate Digianos?
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They sell a lot of these at my local shop; apparantly their after sales service is excellent. According to the shop owner . . . .
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#2001272 - 12/18/12 04:33 PM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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They feature, wait for it....10mb piano samples!

Rubbish. Another rebadged generic Chinese DP. Classenti, Digiano, Chase. Doesn't matter what they're called, they're all rubbish.

What I don't get is why someone would purchase these things when they can get a Casio for the same sort of money. Decent, usable DPs start at Casio, simple as that.
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#2001279 - 12/18/12 05:03 PM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: EssBrace]
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EssBrace Its not that, the same can be seen in the Chinese motorbike industry.

Some clever so and so sees them extremely cheap in China, a typical 125cc motorbike in China can be bought for $200-$300US.

So they stick them in containers, look at the equivilent Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki and (a Japanese 4 125 will be OTR for £2000) and price them at a bit less than the big reliable Japanese brands.

Say £1799 OTR.

People think wow a 125 bike for £1799. Instead of thinking I';m paying £1799 for a £200 bike!

The importers of such pianos are thinking the same. Travels in China you can buy stuff dirt cheap, and get the quality too, of dirt.

So when an importer sees a $100 piano, they ship it over here and think what can the market bear? £500-£1000? I know I'll put it at £750.

So while they are great as $100 pianos (which is what they are worth), they are awful for £500-£1000 digital pianos.

A lot of people rather than admitting their lack of research and buying a $100 piano for £750. Blame it on crappy Chinese quality.

Its a very easy target to trash.

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#2001282 - 12/18/12 05:12 PM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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I'm not having a go at the mere fact it is Chinese. It's just that these cheapo bits of rubbish are only made there. Some Chinese manufacture is of the very highest quality. Their acoustic piano industry is astounding in its ability to make good quality available at accessible prices.
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#2001320 - 12/18/12 06:10 PM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: EssBrace]
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Their electric kettles are good too . .. but the Digianos are getting a lot better over the few years I`ve seen them, The latest compare not at all badly. You can see them here.

http://www.promenademusic.co.uk/keyboard-instruments/digital-pianos

I bet the owner (Dave) looks in here from time to time. He might be one of you!
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#2001573 - 12/19/12 05:48 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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Japanese car/bike syndrome.

Hyundai too, because I saw a Daewoo piano the other day, it was rock solidly built and the keys were heavy.

50 years ago, people on British bikes scoffed at what Japan came out with, they were right. They were terrible. Honda were nearly destroyed by their nasty harley clones.

The C90 saved their bacon for a long time.

But the reputation stuck like mud for a long time.

The transformation occured in the late 70s and early 80s, when massive engines started appearing on their bikes. OHCs started appearing on everything while the British bike industry had no answer still using push rods. Other than buy british!

In the 80s racers started winning big from copied British engineering tech (maxton, sponden who are responsible for monoshock and twin spar frames). Hondas were winning, by mid 80s British motocycle industry had died.

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#2001965 - 12/20/12 02:36 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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When I returned to piano playing a few years ago I was looking for a DP with a fairly "realistic" touch, compared with acoustic pianos I had played, which varied so much between old Honky Tonk bangers to up-market Grands. Being a tight fisted individual I bought one of THESE, I found the touch to be reasonable but the piano sound, the only sound I was interested in, wasn't so good, let down by it's speakers and no lid meant it was vulnerable to stuff dropping into the keys. This piano is badged under a few names so I guess it comes out of the same Chinese factory, and I notice the identical button lay out on many cheap DPs, so the the innards could all be the same, just different furniture. I found the keyboard touch to be better than anything Casio had at the time and for 300 quid what did I expect? I feel I'm qualified to make this review as I've actually owned the piano and not because I make assumptions from a distance and like the sound of my own typing.

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#2001985 - 12/20/12 04:58 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: bluebilly]
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Originally Posted By: bluebilly
I feel I'm qualified to make this review as I've actually owned the piano and not because I make assumptions from a distance and like the sound of my own typing.


Ooh, back in the knife box Miss Sharp!
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#2001990 - 12/20/12 05:20 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: bluebilly]
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Looks like a DSX620.

You're right though, as not many companies stock them so there is little room to try.

There is a showroom north of me that stocks these brands, and for a low price they are OK, but they certainly aren't worth the £500-£700 some people stick the price labels on.

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#2001993 - 12/20/12 05:25 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: justpin]
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Originally Posted By: justpin
There is a showroom north of me that stocks these brands, and for a low price they are OK, but they certainly aren't worth the £500-£700 some people stick the price labels on.


No, they're not. But Casios have a starting price well below that and are very well conceived products at their price point. It's a no-brainer if you want something cheap but good - Casio (or Yamaha P105).
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#2001999 - 12/20/12 05:43 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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I'm basing this on the CDP120 which is the lowest price DP on the market. @ £340.

I don't consider non weighted keyboards to be in the same league. I mean I can get a 61 key casio for £80 but can it compare?

I've seen these rebadged medeli or whatever they are ex demo models for £150ish now and again.


Edited by justpin (12/20/12 05:45 AM)

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#2002424 - 12/21/12 12:18 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: bluebilly
I feel I'm qualified to make this review as I've actually owned the piano and not because I make assumptions from a distance and like the sound of my own typing.


Ooh, back in the knife box Miss Sharp!

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#2002958 - 12/22/12 05:24 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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Look at this baby . . . Dammit, you could put new or additional innards in if you wanted to at that price . . . .

http://www.promenademusic.co.uk/keyboard...in-ebony-polish
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#2002972 - 12/22/12 06:40 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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Look at this baby . . . Dammit, you could put new or additional innards in if you wanted to at that price . . . .

http://www.promenademusic.co.uk/keyboard...in-ebony-polish


But to be honest you couldn't. I'm not saying it is impossible in some theoretical sense but to the average DP owner/player the concept of replacing the onboard tone generators/other electronics/amps/speakers and action is just fantasy. On the face of it that piano is a bargain compared with the pseudo-grands offered by other DP manufacturers but you get what you pay for.
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#2002975 - 12/22/12 06:54 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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I have to agree. You get what you pay for. And what you get might be less than you expect.

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#2002988 - 12/22/12 07:51 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: MacMacMac]
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I think i`ll go round this afternoon, see if he`s got it in the shop . . .it`ll make somebody (not me heh heh) a good Christmas pressy
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#2003188 - 12/22/12 05:38 PM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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I take back what I said. This instrument looks and sounds great. But the action? I bet some of you would like it. I thought it was hideous. No better than the earlier models. But boy, did it look good!

Tried also the Yamaha Grand, CLP4 SOmething or other. Retailed at over £5k. Much better. In fact I tried every darned piano in the shop. Acoustic also. They had a Bluthner upright, with narrow black keys for fat fingered little Germans. Or British . . . .

Nearly as good as my own. SHE was glad I said that.
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#2003299 - 12/23/12 12:37 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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The cabinet work, and finish, on a lot of these cheap DPs is far superior to that of the mainline manufacturers but of course you can't judge a book by it's cover. I like my DP for playing but wouldn't describe it as a "nice piece of furniture", I wouldn't like it in my lounge, I have it in a small study room. To be honest it looks like something that as been knocked together without any regard to aesthetics.

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#2003303 - 12/23/12 12:51 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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#2003344 - 12/23/12 04:52 AM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: peterws]
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Hi James,

I'm referring to all of the mainline makes Yamaha CLP, Roland HP, Casio Celviano and Kawai, the cases all seem to be constructed on similar lines, seem to be bits put together as they go along, flat pack quality. I know it's a make I've mentioned before that as caused the forum aficionados to have fits but that "Smallbrook" piano sold by Fair Deal Music in Brum is a fantastic piece of furniture, of course I'm not considering it's playability, if a small organisation like Fair Deal can source a cabinet maker with that skill I'm sure the big makers could too.

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#2003499 - 12/23/12 01:03 PM Re: How do you rate Digianos? [Re: bluebilly]
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The cabinets of the CLP range (`98) were better than the later. They were bulletproof virtually. But they still came in a flat pack . . . advantage being you could drop`em down to gig with. And they looked well amongst the amplifiers and stuff.
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