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#2001458 - 12/18/12 11:25 PM Warning about Sheet Music Plus
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I've been plugging away with the Alfred Adult All In One. To help with my learning, I decided to purchase the audio and midi disks. The audio is a couple of CDs. But...

The MIDI disk is a FLOPPY DISK!!! I have seven computers - NONE of them have a floppy disk. Most computers don't come with a floppy any more. And I haven't seen software distributed on a floppy disk in the last decade! It is beyond stupid that any company would distribute files that can't be loaded to the vast majority of modern computers! What's worse that NO WHERE in their product description do they explain that it's distributed on a FLOPPY!

Edit: This was originally aimed at Alfred. However, one poster below pointed out that the primary fault lies with the retailer - in this case Sheet Music Plus. Their website does not describe the media.

Some blame still lies with Alfred. From their product web page (http://www.alfred.com/Products/Alfreds-B...1--00-5725.aspx), the media description is the same "General MIDI Disk". I searched their site and found nothing about what that means. So the customer has no idea that they are buying unusable media.

There are a lot of Alfred-lovers in this forum, so I doubt if what I write will have any effect on you. Each to his/her own, but they will never see my money again.

Of course, I will be very happy to share my "wonderful" product experience with anyone who will listen.

Dan.


Edited by Dan Clark (12/20/12 12:33 PM)
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#2001460 - 12/18/12 11:30 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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#2001463 - 12/18/12 11:35 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Kawai James]
Dan Clark Offline
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Throwing it away is a better solution.

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#2001486 - 12/19/12 12:27 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Not sure which specific book/course you are referring to.

You are probably better off looking for the item you are interested in on their website. Then get the ISBN number. It is fairly categorized so you can make sure you are getting what you want. Additionally, some of the book covers have an icon representing the digital content media format.


This page describes "Format: Book & CD" or book only.


Here showing floppy disk:



Floppy disk:


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#2001505 - 12/19/12 01:40 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Originally Posted By: Dan Clark
I've been plugging away with the Alfred Adult All In One. To help with my learning, I decided to purchase the audio and midi disks. The audio is a couple of CDs. But...

The MIDI disk is a FLOPPY DISK!!! I have seven computers - NONE of them have a floppy disk. Most computers don't come with a floppy any more. And I haven't seen software distributed on a floppy disk in the last decade! It is beyond stupid that any company would distribute files that can't be loaded to the vast majority of modern computers! What's worse that NO WHERE in their product description do they explain that it's distributed on a FLOPPY!

There are a lot of Alfred-lovers in this forum, so I doubt if what I write will have any effect on you. Each to his/her own, but they will never see my money again.

Of course, I will be very happy to share my "wonderful" product experience with anyone who will listen.

Dan.


Have you contacted them and asked for them to mail you a CD with those files or at least an electronic copy via email? You know, give them a chance to fix the problem before going online to complain.

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#2001518 - 12/19/12 02:22 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: ONfrank]
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Originally Posted By: ONfrank
Have you contacted them and asked for them to mail you a CD with those files or at least an electronic copy via email? You know, give them a chance to fix the problem before going online to complain.


This.

In fact, given the small size of MIDI files, they may even offer to send you the data as a compressed zip archive.

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#2001546 - 12/19/12 03:38 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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#2001616 - 12/19/12 09:11 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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"...There are a lot of Alfred-lovers in this forum, so I doubt if what I write will have any effect on you. Each to his/her own, but they will never see my money again. .."

Dan Clark, I congratulate you on your perseverance with your piano studies--- I know it isn't easy to keep it going.

It happens, with print music editions, that many are not such hot sellers that every copy flies off the shelves soon after publication. In fact, I've seen cases where one music store will buy out the stock of another which has gone out of business, and the individual copies can be quite old. They're not milk; they don't go sour within a few days, so they last and last in stock.

So you have acquired a technological antique. At the time floppy disks were first current, the CD had not been invented nor anticipated--- even the hard drive was an uncommon and unreliable device. So their day lasted for some 20 years or better.

I realize it's easy to fire off an angry post to a website (also not invented in the heyday of the floppy disc, by the way), but Alfred is a good publishing house which, I don't doubt, would prefer to make a customer happy--- and after all, what you are asking for is quite reasonable. Why don't you send your e-mail request to them? I don't see that we are in a position to do anything for you. The title you mentioned is still in print, and Alfred does use CD's these days; I like what they've done with packaging CD's with performance editions, for just the same reason you want one for the book you have--- the mind (mine, anyway) puts it together better if I can both see and hear and play.

In general, a civil tone evokes a more helpful response--- especially when firing your first round. Save the heavy artillery and the phalanxes of bombers until you need them. Sometimes the enemy surrenders the fort without the invader firing a single shot, or losing a single man.

I would imagine the external USB floppy reader would cost as much as the whole book did in the first place, and you would probably use it only this once. Ingenious solution for the techie, though.
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#2001626 - 12/19/12 09:36 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Jeff Clef]
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Or you could go to the local library and use their old machines.

My work place has a couple of old machines specificially because some clients still use FDDs

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#2001641 - 12/19/12 10:11 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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I had a similar experience recently, where I ordered an accompaniment / demo for a church cantata, and they sent a - wait for it - a cassette tape. Really? I have no way of playing a tape, and even less interest in making the attempt. (It has been all CDs or digital downloads with all of the publishers I've dealt with for a number of years - replacing the previous all cassette tape technology).

Before long, we will be complaining that we were sent a product on a CD, technology long replaced by neural implant, or whatever!
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#2001650 - 12/19/12 10:45 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Melodialworks Music]
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Originally Posted By: Melodialworks Music
Before long, we will be complaining that we were sent a product on a CD, technology long replaced by.......whatever!

We are already there......"What? Media is not on Cloud?"

Mac Minis no longer ship with CD/DVD player.

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#2001748 - 12/19/12 02:35 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: o0Ampy0o]
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Keystoimagination.com sells the MIDI files for educational publishers (including Alfred) as downloads or on USB thumb drive.
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#2001909 - 12/19/12 10:23 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: o0Ampy0o]
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It isn't a book. It's a midi disk that I bought from Sheet Music Plus. It's the Midi Disk specified here: http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Alfr...I-Disk/3541299. It says the format is "Midi Disk". The only rational assumption to make would be "midi files on a CDRom".

And it has a copyright date of 1995. I have no idea about the quality of these files.

I guess they got me on this one. Nothing like making a buck at the expense of the customer.

I'm a normal person - I make mistakes all the time. It irritates when I make a mistake. However, I despise vendors that misstate or fail to clearly state what the customer is getting.

So why don't I send it back? Because the time and hassle of calling the vendor, getting an RMA, packing it up, and shipping it back is not cost-effective. For me, it's cheaper to throw that garbage in the trash.

Dan.

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#2001910 - 12/19/12 10:25 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Nomadness]
Dan Clark Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nomadness


Thanks for the feedback. I wish I had read this before buying the Alfred stuff.

Dan.

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#2001912 - 12/19/12 10:33 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Jeff Clef]
Dan Clark Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Clef
"...There are a lot of Alfred-lovers in this forum, so I doubt if what I write will have any effect on you. Each to his/her own, but they will never see my money again. .."

Dan Clark, I congratulate you on your perseverance with your piano studies--- I know it isn't easy to keep it going.

It happens, with print music editions, that many are not such hot sellers that every copy flies off the shelves soon after publication. In fact, I've seen cases where one music store will buy out the stock of another which has gone out of business, and the individual copies can be quite old. They're not milk; they don't go sour within a few days, so they last and last in stock.

So you have acquired a technological antique. At the time floppy disks were first current, the CD had not been invented nor anticipated--- even the hard drive was an uncommon and unreliable device. So their day lasted for some 20 years or better.

I realize it's easy to fire off an angry post to a website (also not invented in the heyday of the floppy disc, by the way), but Alfred is a good publishing house which, I don't doubt, would prefer to make a customer happy--- and after all, what you are asking for is quite reasonable. Why don't you send your e-mail request to them? I don't see that we are in a position to do anything for you. The title you mentioned is still in print, and Alfred does use CD's these days; I like what they've done with packaging CD's with performance editions, for just the same reason you want one for the book you have--- the mind (mine, anyway) puts it together better if I can both see and hear and play.

In general, a civil tone evokes a more helpful response--- especially when firing your first round. Save the heavy artillery and the phalanxes of bombers until you need them. Sometimes the enemy surrenders the fort without the invader firing a single shot, or losing a single man.

I would imagine the external USB floppy reader would cost as much as the whole book did in the first place, and you would probably use it only this once. Ingenious solution for the techie, though.


Clef,

In general, I agree with your points. That said, they knowingly sent out this thing. I'm not about waste my time dealing with an organization like that. And I'm not going to throw good money down a toilet getting a one-time-use floppy reader just so I can read that thing.

The other stuff associated music came on a CD, which was fine. Supposedly it lines up the the book. Unfortunately, this makes me question all of it - book, cd, midi files.

Dan.


Edited by Dan Clark (12/19/12 10:38 PM)

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#2001914 - 12/19/12 10:37 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Melodialworks Music]
Dan Clark Offline
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Originally Posted By: Melodialworks Music
I had a similar experience recently, where I ordered an accompaniment / demo for a church cantata, and they sent a - wait for it - a cassette tape. Really? I have no way of playing a tape, and even less interest in making the attempt. (It has been all CDs or digital downloads with all of the publishers I've dealt with for a number of years - replacing the previous all cassette tape technology).

Before long, we will be complaining that we were sent a product on a CD, technology long replaced by neural implant, or whatever!

This whole episode makes me think that Alfred is a pretty backward company. Selling it as a digital download would would be much more cost effective for them and would keep customers happy. This is just nuts.

Dan.

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#2001917 - 12/19/12 10:39 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Originally Posted By: Dan Clark
It isn't a book. It's a midi disk that I bought from Sheet Music Plus. It's the Midi Disk specified here: http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Alfr...I-Disk/3541299. It says the format is "Midi Disk". The only rational assumption to make would be "midi files on a CDRom".

And it has a copyright date of 1995. I have no idea about the quality of these files.

I guess they got me on this one. Nothing like making a buck at the expense of the customer.

I'm a normal person - I make mistakes all the time. It irritates when I make a mistake. However, I despise vendors that misstate or fail to clearly state what the customer is getting.

So why don't I send it back? Because the time and hassle of calling the vendor, getting an RMA, packing it up, and shipping it back is not cost-effective. For me, it's cheaper to throw that garbage in the trash.

Dan.


But the question remains; did you ask the publisher to fix it for you or was the first thing on your mind to come here to rant and warn us all? It sounds like you haven't even tried.

By the way, disk = magnetic media, disc = optical media.
It's not like they deliberately misled you. The book was written and the notes prepared in 1995 and left as is. I don't see the problem. I don't expect a publisher to go back to change notes and descriptions (and issue notices to retailers) on near 17 year old books.

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#2001919 - 12/19/12 10:50 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: ONfrank]
Dan Clark Offline
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Originally Posted By: ONfrank
Originally Posted By: Dan Clark
It isn't a book. It's a midi disk that I bought from Sheet Music Plus. It's the Midi Disk specified here: http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Alfr...I-Disk/3541299. It says the format is "Midi Disk". The only rational assumption to make would be "midi files on a CDRom".

And it has a copyright date of 1995. I have no idea about the quality of these files.

I guess they got me on this one. Nothing like making a buck at the expense of the customer.

I'm a normal person - I make mistakes all the time. It irritates when I make a mistake. However, I despise vendors that misstate or fail to clearly state what the customer is getting.

So why don't I send it back? Because the time and hassle of calling the vendor, getting an RMA, packing it up, and shipping it back is not cost-effective. For me, it's cheaper to throw that garbage in the trash.

Dan.


But the question remains; did you ask the publisher to fix it for you or was the first thing on your mind to come here to rant and warn us all? It sounds like you haven't even tried.

By the way, disk = magnetic media, disc = optical media.
It's not like they deliberately misled you. The book was written and the notes prepared in 1995 and left as is. I don't see the problem. I don't expect a publisher to go back to change notes and descriptions (and issue notices to retailers) on near 17 year old books.

I have not and will not deal with a company like this. I've had my say. If you and others want to buy Alfred's stuff, that's your choice. I choose not to.

Dan.

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#2001932 - 12/19/12 11:27 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Originally Posted By: Dan Clark
For me, it's cheaper to throw that garbage in the trash.


Perhaps you have a friend who has a floppy disc drive, or access to one at their work place. What about a computer store, that sells used computers? They might be able to help you out.
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#2001938 - 12/20/12 12:14 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Melodialworks Music]
Dan Clark Offline
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I appreciate the advice, but I'm done with Alfred. I just threw out the book, cd, and floppy.

Dan.

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#2001941 - 12/20/12 12:26 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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So is your beef with the publisher or the store?

If you feel strongly that they are misleading and ripping people off to make a buck, I recommend a lawsuit. Perhaps even a class action if you can round up other victims.

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#2001958 - 12/20/12 02:00 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: ONfrank]
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Alfred Publishing is not responsible for this mistake.

The source where you purchased the item (sheetmusicplus.com) did not adequately describe the product.

If you Google search using the ISBN you will see other sources describing the "diskette", "3.5" diskette" "1.44M, 3.5 Disk, DOS".

It is your choice to handle this with a dramatic toss to the trash can.

With a simple phone call or email you most likely would have your MIDI material.


Edited by o0Ampy0o (12/20/12 02:30 AM)

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#2001991 - 12/20/12 05:22 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Originally Posted By: Dan Clark
I have not and will not deal with a company like this. I've had my say. If you and others want to buy Alfred's stuff, that's your choice. I choose not to.

Dan.


You are simply being unreasonable. It might just be for the cost and time of one single telephone call that this issue could be sorted out. It is clear you don't want to give anyone the opportunity of fixing this, you'd rather just rant angrily about it on a public forum. How immature. Go away until you have something more constructive to say.
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#2001998 - 12/20/12 05:38 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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FFS this isn't even a problem, its not even a storm in a tea cup. But your reaction is this?

I'll tell you this for free. Piano and any musical instrument requires dedication and immense amounts of time and effort. There will be big setbacks, failures and frustrations.

I know, I've had many. Along with the highs.

If you can't cope with such a miniscule issue, then perhaps maybe piano isn't for you.

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#2002133 - 12/20/12 12:38 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: justpin]
Dan Clark Offline
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The fundamental problem is that neither Albert nor Sheet Music Plus care enough about their customers to clearly define what they are selling. Getting my money back doesn't solve the problem - deceptive marketing practices.

I am happy to spend productive time learning the piano. I will NOT spend non-productive time hassling with companies that use deceptive marketing practices.

I'm moving on. I ordered the Faber and Faber Adult Learning adventures.

Dan.


Edited by Dan Clark (12/20/12 12:38 PM)

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#2002135 - 12/20/12 12:41 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: EssBrace]
Dan Clark Offline
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It is reasonable to expose deceptive or shoddy marketing practices. I suggest that you follow your own advice - go away until you have something constructive to say.

Dan.

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#2002145 - 12/20/12 12:52 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: o0Ampy0o]
Dan Clark Offline
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Alfred is partly responsible. That said, I changed the title in my original post to focus on Sheet Music Plus.

In any case, searching for an ISBN is NOT reasonable when both the publisher and the retailer provide the exact same misleading information. No where on either site do they explain that "MIDI Disk" means "Floppy Disk".

Given that a floppy disk is an antique media that is not usable on virtually all current computers, IMO their lack of clarity is a marketing technique to get rid of old, unusable inventory.

Most people will either not use the media, or go through the hassle and expense of loading it. A few will go through the hassle of returning it. Almost no one will call them out for this. I.e. they keep getting away with this stunt.

I choose to call them out and express my displeasure. You can choose other options.

Dan.

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#2002158 - 12/20/12 01:16 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Dan, even an HD (High Density, not Definition! smile ) Floppy holds no more than 2.2 or so MBs, so that could fit in an e-mail without breaking anyone's sweat. If you call them, they will probably send you a mail with the contents of the Floppy Disk.

Rafa.
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#2002171 - 12/20/12 01:31 PM Re: Warning about Sheet Music Plus [Re: Dan Clark]
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"...I'm moving on. I ordered the Faber and Faber Adult Learning adventures. ..."

Well, Faber is ok. Maybe better than the Alfred All-In-One anyway.

The music store I buy from--- and usually order through--- gladly takes care of any problems that may happen with the merchandise. I can only think of one: a (pretty stout) collection of a composer's works had a number of pages in the center which didn't print properly. I overlooked the problem in the store, but I returned it and they reordered, and that was that.

I have less experience with http://sheetmusicplus.com , but I believe they're reputable and will accept returns. Anyway, I hope you have better luck with the Faber. They have some very nice collections for somewhat more advanced students, so you have some good stuff to look forward to.
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#2002179 - 12/20/12 01:40 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: RafaPolit]
Dan Clark Offline
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Originally Posted By: RafaPolit
Dan, even an HD (High Density, not Definition! smile ) Floppy holds no more than 2.2 or so MBs, so that could fit in an e-mail without breaking anyone's sweat. If you call them, they will probably send you a mail with the contents of the Floppy Disk.

Rafa.

Rafa,

You are 100% correct. From a business perspective, it's completely nuts to send a floppy disk to someone. They could reduce the price by at least 1/3 and increase profit. So why don't they do it?

Regards,

Dan.


Edited by Dan Clark (12/20/12 01:40 PM)

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#2002183 - 12/20/12 01:48 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Really, this rant has gone far enough. Man up to it, Dan. Send back the unfit product. Or just suck it up.

Else, let's re-title this thread "Warning about Dan Clark".

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#2002185 - 12/20/12 01:50 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: MacMacMac]
Dan Clark Offline
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I have "sucked it up" and threw out the defective products. They are not worth my time. As I wrote above, I've moved on to Faber and Faber.

If you choose to buy from the companies mentioned above, that's your choice.


Edited by Dan Clark (12/20/12 01:51 PM)

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#2002194 - 12/20/12 01:57 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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And if you choose to rant about such frivolous points, I will ignore you. That's also my choice.

There was and is no need to huff on about trivia. No thank you for your "warning" about any of the vendors involved.

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#2002207 - 12/20/12 02:33 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Originally Posted By: Dan Clark
You are 100% correct. From a business perspective, it's completely nuts to send a floppy disk to someone. They could reduce the price by at least 1/3 and increase profit. So why don't they do it?

Regards,

Dan.


Perhaps they are not all about making a buck at the expense of the customer? Or maybe the fact that the book was published 17 years ago and no publisher is going to recall a perfectly fine book over something like this (and thus raising prices for everyone).

Now you call it a defective product? Stop being a drama queen.

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#2002227 - 12/20/12 03:31 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: ONfrank]
Dan Clark Offline
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Read my posts. It has nothing to do with the book. It's the Midi disk!

If you're going to slam someone else, get the facts straight!


Edited by Dan Clark (12/20/12 03:38 PM)

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#2002422 - 12/21/12 12:07 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Floppy Discs and Midi connectivity are beyond me but some while back when I purchased my Alfred's Books 1&2 I also purchased the CDs, of course now the tunes are all to be heard on the Alfred's threads on this forum, and via You Tube, the CDs are no longer necessary.

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#2012218 - 01/10/13 11:52 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Alfred Music Publishing continues to produce General MIDI products in floppy disk format for those who have the older technology keyboards that have the MIDI floppy disk ports as standard equipment. There is no attempt to deceive or cheat anyone -- customers are still purchasing these disks. On these older keyboards, there are built-in MIDI functions and no computer is needed to use the GM floppy disks. Since that time, Yamaha and Roland, among others, marketed outboard General MIDI disk players that could be used independently with any piano or keyboard. You are correct that current computers and keyboards are not usually equipped to play these, so Alfred now offers several of its piano methods in GM format by way of download at www.alfred-music.com. Eventually we hope to have all our MIDI products available on this website. The files can then be purchased and downloaded to your home computer, after which you can load the MIDI files onto a thumb drive and plug this into your digital keyboard via the USB slot (provided the keyboard has General MIDI capability). Anytime there is a problem such as this one, please email us at keyboard@alfred.com, or give our Customer Service team a call at (818) 892-2452. We will find solutions! Thanks for the discussion.

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#2012229 - 01/10/13 12:16 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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I don't believe that fraud is involved. Complacency seems the more likely issue. It is 2013, I haven't owned a floppy since 2003. A decade seems to me to be plenty of time to get them ALL online don't ya think? It seems to be the same issue in all publishing companies.

Newspapers could have owned news on the web had they started embracing online distribution and adapting their business model accordingly back in 1995!


Edited by Kbeaumont (01/10/13 12:20 PM)
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#2012255 - 01/10/13 01:09 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Edited by ron88 (01/10/13 01:28 PM)

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#2012271 - 01/10/13 01:34 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Off-topic: I do find it funny that my Microsoft Word 2010 still has a floppy disk image as the icon for "Save". My 9-year-old asked me what it is and why they use that symbol to represent "Save". I had to tell her about the good old days.
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#2025238 - 02/01/13 11:19 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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It will be better choice.AS THE copyright date seems to be correct.There might be no legal issue with it.
But still I have no clear idea about this.
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#2025251 - 02/01/13 11:46 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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There is nothing wrong with Sheetmusicplus.com. I use them all the time and have never had a problem with them or any of the products they carry. The title of this thread is misleading. Don't let the OP put anyone off from using the site. Bottom line, let the buyer beware.
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#2025259 - 02/01/13 11:52 AM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: Dan Clark]
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Speaking of sheet music, I perused one of the free sheet music links from this forum's main page, but then was greeted by an "upgrade to GOLD status to download this sheet for just $xx per month!" on said site.

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#2025315 - 02/01/13 01:20 PM Re: Warning about Alfred Publishing [Re: xorbe]
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Originally Posted By: xorbe
Speaking of sheet music, I perused one of the free sheet music links from this forum's main page, but then was greeted by an "upgrade to GOLD status to download this sheet for just $xx per month!" on said site.


You may wish to check that link again. I see the word FREE a couple of times on this forum's main page but nothing about FREE sheetmusic.
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