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#2002656 - 12/21/12 12:53 PM Kawai MP6 midi and storage?
thercman Offline
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I really like the action of the keyboard on the MP6 however many have said the sounds are a bit dated or not quite the greatest. So I was thinking. For $1500 why not pick up one of these for the nice keyboard and then use VST's like the Kawai EX Pro or Ivory etc. Which leads me to my question.... Is it possible to load sounds (like the Kawai EX pro) onto the MP6 or can it only be used to control the VST's on an external source? James?
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#2002664 - 12/21/12 01:11 PM Re: Kawai MP6 midi and storage? [Re: thercman]
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Unfortunately you can't load VST libraries onto pianos like the MP6. There are a couple of digitals out there that have upgradeable internal sounds but it is a well-advertised feature and the sounds generally come from the manufacturer, not a third-party library. General purpose digitals like the MP6 cannot do that.

However, using the MP6 or some other digital with a great action to drive an external VST (which is loaded onto a computer) is exactly what many people in this forum do. Personally I use an MP8 to drive Vintage D and it's a great solution (except for the original cost of the piano, much of which goes to waste in my view). Unfortunately there aren't really any great MIDI controllers to compete with the really good pianos.


Edited by gvfarns (12/21/12 01:16 PM)

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#2002689 - 12/21/12 01:51 PM Re: Kawai MP6 midi and storage? [Re: thercman]
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@gvfarns. Why did you choose Vintage D? Are there any specific pros and cons? I'm thinking of using my MP6 to control a VST, and I don't think Pianoteq Stage is quite ready for prime time yet.
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#2002713 - 12/21/12 02:38 PM Re: Kawai MP6 midi and storage? [Re: thercman]
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Oh yeah, Vintage D is a classic. Basically I was able to try out about 6 VST's (not counting TruePianos, Pianissimo, or PianoTeq) and Vintage D was by far the most sweet, both in its sounds and in the way it responded to me. It is super warm and super expressive--the variations in timbre you can get are very impressive.

In addition,

1. It was among the cheapest solutions I was looking at.

2. It doesn't require the purchase of an Ilok, which I do not have.

3. It's not a suite of pianos that includes pianos I don't care about.

Also, there's a Youtube video of a guy playing the same piece in like 10 Steinway VST's and comparing and contrasting them. I asked him after all that which piano he would get if he could have only one and he responded Vintage D.

So I bought it. I can't really find anything I don't like about it, so I have stopped looking at other options. Possibly there are other pianos that might be even better (American Steinway by Ivory, perhaps?) but the improvements must be very small indeed because I don't see much room for improvement, frankly.

I have thought about getting some other pianos for variety (like one of the Fazioli, Bosendorfer, or Yamaha versions out there) but I've given them enough of a listen (or play) to know that I much prefer a Steinway. And from among the Steinways I've tried, I prefer Vintage D.

Secondary option: the main Galaxy Steinway was pretty good too. Less warm and expressive, but more robust and powerful. In some ways more typical of a Steinway sound. I haven't had the pleasure of playing Ivory II, but I understand from people I trust that the main Steinway there is quite an instrument as well.


Edited by gvfarns (12/21/12 02:43 PM)

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#2002736 - 12/21/12 03:35 PM Re: Kawai MP6 midi and storage? [Re: thercman]
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Thanks, that's very helpful!
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#2002772 - 12/21/12 05:04 PM Re: Kawai MP6 midi and storage? [Re: thercman]
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thercman, as gvfarns correctly points out, it is not possible to load additional sounds onto the MP6. However, the great keyboard action and relatively low price does make it a great candidate for a virtual piano controller, for the time being at least.

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James
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#2002779 - 12/21/12 05:19 PM Re: Kawai MP6 midi and storage? [Re: thercman]
Providence Offline
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I have a feeling Kawai are going to release a dedicated midi controller in the near future with the same action as the es7 perhaps...Wishful thinking

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#2002804 - 12/21/12 06:39 PM Re: Kawai MP6 midi and storage? [Re: thercman]
thercman Offline
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Great info everyone thanks.

With many people going the route of VST's (and since that's what the DP is essentially loaded with anyway) it seems a really nice 88 key midi controller is what the market needs right now. It's a void that savvy manufactures should rush to get a piece of.

As of right now the only 88 key midi with semi decent keys that I am aware of is the Roland A-88.


Edited by thercman (12/21/12 06:39 PM)
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