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#2002263 - 12/20/12 04:35 PM New Nord Italian Grand
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Nice, but still hoping for some big Rhodes/Wurli samples soon.

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#2002267 - 12/20/12 04:50 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
Kawai James Offline
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Oooooh yeah!
Merry bl**dy Christmas!

No time to try it now, but will definitely be loading the new piano onto my Electro this evening.

voxpops, time to bite the bull and get yourself a NE4D? You could MIDI it up to your MP6 and have the best of both worlds. wink

Cheers,
James
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#2002275 - 12/20/12 05:02 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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If it was bi-timbral and had the upgraded memory, I wouldn't hesitate, but I need to have organ available at the same time as AP/EP.

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#2002279 - 12/20/12 05:10 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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Yeah, I hear you man, but that's never going to happen while the Stage is their flagship board.

James
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#2002280 - 12/20/12 05:11 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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Whooaa! Finally, another piano from Nord. I'd better like it. They built my hopes up with the awful Bright Grand. I'm off to update the Nord now......
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#2002414 - 12/20/12 11:30 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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I just listened to the samples and they do sound a lot like a nine foot Faz. Such nice pianos. One of the best in the world in my opinion.

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#2002519 - 12/21/12 08:34 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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WOW! And the best thing is you can download the XL version into the piano RAM of the Electros - for the first time. This is EXACTLY what I'm doing now. (All other XL versions of pianos don't fit.)

What a great present from Clavia! Thank you!

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#2002523 - 12/21/12 08:41 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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maurus, good call! How much memory is left after uploading the XL version? It must take forever to transfer...

James
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#2002525 - 12/21/12 08:48 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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It's still transferring... 3.2MB remaining says the Sound Manager. So it's not really practical if you need anything else in the piano RAM. Still!

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#2002532 - 12/21/12 09:13 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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I'm loving it! It has a wide range of colors and nice dynamic range. It's not nearly as in your face sounding as the Bosie or S4 Bright Grand but seems to be more even, and the Lrg sample is actually larger than the previous 2 pianos in Lrg size. Christmas comes early yet again. They did this 2 years ago with the Bosendorfer Imperial sample. I now have:
1. Fazioli Italian Grand Lrg size
2. Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Lrg size
3. Steinway Lady D Lrg size
4. Yamaha C7 Studio Grand 2 Lrg size
5. Yamaha S4 Bright Grand Lrg size

I've grown to really like all of them for various purposes and uses. Somedays ill use the Bosendorfer, others the C7. Aside from the portability, this is the best part to owning the Nords.
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#2002537 - 12/21/12 09:22 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
Kawai James Offline
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I totally agree Zach!

Shigeru Kawai sample for Christmas 2013, perhaps?

James
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#2002678 - 12/21/12 01:37 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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Quote:
Shigeru Kawai sample for Christmas 2013, perhaps?


+1!
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#2002680 - 12/21/12 01:39 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: HwyStar]
EssBrace Offline
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Originally Posted By: HwyStar

+1!
I++;
++I;
I = I + 1


EXACTLY what I was thinking! I think.
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#2002737 - 12/21/12 03:36 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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Just been playing the new Fazioli. I'm impressed but with two caveats: firstly, like other Nord sounds it still plays a bit too loudly at low velocities and again like other Nord piano sounds the top two octaves are weak. It's like you can only go up to velocity 70 or 80. Whereas in the mid range and bass it will really bark if you give it a good smack. One other minor gripe is that I think the bass could use a tad more richness and warmth. It's not that I want more bass, just the character of the sound is a bit dry.

They are the negatives but the positive is - and I know it's early days and the honeymoon has barely begun - but I think its basic tonal character is perhaps the best I've heard on a hardware DP. In terms of bright/mellow it is neutral and there is just something nice about it, especially in the middle octaves, where it is very expressive.

I'm currently "controlling" it from a Kawai MP10 which might be having an effect on my perceptions but I prefer the new voice to all other previous Nord piano sounds.

Cheers,

Steve
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#2002776 - 12/21/12 05:15 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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Have been playing the new Fazioli on and off for the last hours, on my lowly Electro 3HP. The description on the Website, "slightly ambient, brilliant and boasts an amazing dynamic range" is quite correct. A very even, rich, and somewhat distant tone, very playable, invites to indulge in phrasing even the shortest lines, in all positions. The XL version in particular has a very rich sound, and I find it rather less problematic in the highest octaves than the other pianos (with a suitable bit of high mid boost). Slow chords with a bit of sustain have an awesome lingering sound.

In order to load something else at the same time, however, I have to cut back to the Lrg version, where a tad of the richness gets lost (but not the character). Comparing this version with the Bösendorfer Grand Imperial I have to say I can't say which one I prefer, I just love the straightforward nature of the Bösendorfer except in the high treble (can't compare that one with its XL version, unfortunately, which is too large for my Electro).

The new Fazioli (Lrg) will stay on my Electro, replacing the Grand Lady D. For certain types of music I find it the best overall so far. For other kinds I still prefer the Grand Imperial. Playing a Bach piece, for instance, the Fazioli induces me to try a more romantic interpretation than the Bösendorfer with its more analytic character and thundery bass (and usually I prefer my Bach less romantic...).
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#2002781 - 12/21/12 05:20 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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@maurus. How are you finding the action on your 3HP with piano samples such as the Fazioli and Bosendorfer? Are you able to articulate and maintain sufficient control when playing classical works? I find the same action in the Numa Piano slightly problematic.

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#2002792 - 12/21/12 05:58 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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voxpops, it's quite difficult. While you can adjust to the action, it's no comparison with the real thing. Subtle articulation differences tend to get evened out.

However, this limitation I also found in the Nord Piano when I tried it extensively in shops, and I found the NP's action not sufficient to convince me to give up the Electro's fantastic portability (my main reason for getting one). The best I can do is to control the Nord from a better action. Using my P155's GH action is already a good step up, and then classical pieces begin to make quite a bit more sense. Articulated improvisation is less of a problem.

Still, practicing classical pieces on the NE3HP works well enough when traveling, and when no acoustic is at hand... and you could see it this way: If you manage to control a classical piece well on the Electro you will probably be able to do the same on a serious piano. wink


Edited by maurus (12/21/12 06:04 PM)

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#2002809 - 12/21/12 06:43 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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Thanks, maurus. It's much as I expected: the Fatar actions will take you only so far - even with Nord's tweaks. I think KJ should commandeer a large batch of Kawai's previous generation of DP actions (there must be a bunch lying around the factory somewhere) and sell them to Nord - even older Kawai actions would be a large step up. wink

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#2002868 - 12/21/12 09:54 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Just been playing the new Fazioli.


Steve -

Which version do you have loaded?

Lawrence
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#2002916 - 12/22/12 01:19 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: Melodialworks Music]
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#2002960 - 12/22/12 05:32 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Dave, it took me a while to figure out some proper EQ for getting more out of the Fazioli (whatever version). Without that, it can sound rather subdued compared with the Bosie (which I EQ as well).

Vox: Yup. A proper action is my main wish for the Nord Piano. Had hopes for the NP2, but had to postpone them to the NP3... I'd happily accept a few more kilograms.
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#2002971 - 12/22/12 06:34 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: Melodialworks Music]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Just been playing the new Fazioli.


Steve -

Which version do you have loaded?

Lawrence


XL. It's a nice piano in my opinion.
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#2003001 - 12/22/12 08:32 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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It took me a little while to warm up to the Fazioli, but I loaded in the XL and I really like it. The tone can be similar to the Bright Grand but with more depth and warmth. Maurus what EQ settings are you using on the Fazioli?
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#2003003 - 12/22/12 08:43 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: PianoZac]
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Originally Posted By: PianoZac
Maurus what EQ settings are you using on the Fazioli?


Will depend on the output chain a lot! With my AKG 240MkII i found very slight bass and treble boost (1-2 dB), and a mid boost of about 3-5 dB at 1.5-2.5 kHz very helpful to get a little more presence. As the sampling has ambience, one also should keep reverb rather dry IMO.

Edit: After further playing around I made an interesting observation (perhaps totally idiosyncratic) - I prefer the Med size to the Lrg size - it takes away some of the ambience and makes the bass and treble a little cleaner *when using the sustain pedal*. So now my Electro has the Bosie Lrg, the Faz Med (rather than the other way round), and two Rhodes sounds (MkI and MkIV) loaded - a workable combination for me for the time being...


Edited by maurus (12/22/12 12:13 PM)

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#2003154 - 12/22/12 04:09 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: maurus]
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#2003211 - 12/22/12 06:43 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: Dave Ferris]
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#2003272 - 12/22/12 10:48 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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Dave that sounds great! Did you ad any EQ? or is that the pristine sample? Anyway, very nice playing and a great sound!
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#2003283 - 12/22/12 11:32 PM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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I just played with the Fazioli for awhile this afternoon and my earlier impression of this has changed. This is VERY Playable. I think this is the best sample actually.

The biggest change (from others) is that the dynamics is feeling normal now. It's not ultra sensitive like the others. So I can be more confident about hitting with gusto. The balance between lower and higher registers is excellent. I'm finding it really good as far as my LH voicings vs. RH solo lines. I switched between this and my acoustic and it wasn't as big a jump as before.

There's no quirky upper registers here. Just a smooth balance of volume.

Very nice! I'm not entirely fond of the Fazioli sound in real life but given that this is a DP, the cleanliness of the Fazioli sound actually keeps it from getting muddy on a DP.

I'm using the Large sample and I'm setting this as my default #1 patch.
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#2003367 - 12/23/12 06:14 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Here's a recording of the Large Fazioli sample.

Clare Fischer's classic "Pensativa"
http://soundcloud.com/dave-ferris/pensativa-clare-fischer/s-sg4pI


That's fantastic Dave! The stereo is the wrong way round by the way - but it's still fantastic!

I think this new Faz is the best Nord sample yet - or it's certainly the least idiosyncratic. There's nothing that has the potential to annoy. I really wanted to like the Bosendorfer but it's so nasal in the mids/upper mids - a real turn-off for me.
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#2003449 - 12/23/12 10:39 AM Re: New Nord Italian Grand [Re: voxpops]
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Have you all found the large Faz sample to be better balanced than the XL? It takes too long to download the XL sample to really get a subjective opinion for my ears. What about your ears?
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