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#2002110 - 12/20/12 11:38 AM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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That stinks. I've more-or-less learned to lower my expectations for NAMM, though. Your dream piano always comes out later than you expect (or never).

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#2002139 - 12/20/12 12:46 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: Rhodie73]
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Originally Posted By: Rhodie73
Originally Posted By: JFP
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"I confirmed this with a Kawai rep after an hour long conversation. The MP6 will most likely be updated at NAMM 2014. "

I guess you mean 2013 ? Or is it really going to take an other year ?


I'm not trying to step on James's toes because he clearly has more info on this topic, but from what the Kawai rep that I spoke to told me, NAMM 2014 would be more likely for an MP6 update. He did say that anything can happen during the year if Kawai feels that it is needed to speed up plans for an MP6 update due to competitors, but NAMM 2013 will not see an MP6 update.


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I was going to put the MP6 as my #1 purchase based on a model update at NAMM. If it doesn't happen I am looking at the RD700NX as my second choice and the MP10 3rd.


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#2002140 - 12/20/12 12:47 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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I do find it strange that, particularly Yamaha and Kawai, are slow to bring a totally killer (yet practical) stage board to the party. Both companies can draw on their experience with acoustics; both can produce a very good action - excellent in the case of Kawai; technology is readily available. Instead, Korg has leaped ahead in the technical specs area, while being hamstrung by lesser actions and questionable build quality, and Roland has stolen a three-year march on the others with their hybrid SN engine that links so well with their PHAIII action, despite lacking a little of their competitors' clarity of sound.

Now Korg has proved that it's possible to make full use of TODAY'S technology, what is holding the others back? Thanks partly to Dewster's hard work, the Yamaha CPs were shown to be stretched, looped and static, and players have been put off by their convoluted interface and lack of attention to weight/bulk - which is a real problem as keyboardists struggle to access and set up in small, restricted venues. And as for Kawai, as I've said a hundred times before, they seem content to foist sample-engines on us stage players that are well past their prime.

Either Yamaha or Kawai, by bringing their technology up to VST standards, and marrying it with their excellent actions in a lightweight board, could pretty much clean up in the stage market. I wonder if Yamaha thought that their name, coupled with Spectral Component Modeling gobbledygook, was enough to sway prospective purchasers. But reading around the forums, so many people have either been put off by the interface or weight, or have (like Dave Ferris) reluctantly switched from the CP5 to other brands because of the impracticality, not to mention the dumbing-down of the lighter CP50 model. And Kawai's MP6, which I praise for its more sensible approach to weight, interface and surprisingly good Rhodes emulation, does not have quite enough in the AP department to attract many serious stage players into the Kawai camp, AFAIK.

Nearly every time I watch a music show on TV, I see red... or Roland. In American Idol the band leader had (IIRC) a Roland RD-700NX. And in the X-Factor mentor sessions, I spied a Nord Stage 2. I know those are only two examples, but they point up a failure on the part of the other manufacturers to get (and keep) their products in the hands of top players.

I should stress that I'm only talking about stage products here. I know that Yamaha and Kawai have some stunning home/studio models, according to reports from users. But I feel that I have to keep flying the flag for beleaguered mobile players until the manufacturers treat our needs seriously. Heck, I've even decided to use my aging FP-4 for this coming weekend's shows as, TBH, what it lacks in the latest refinements, it more than makes up for in weight (33lbs), and playability.
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#2002156 - 12/20/12 01:13 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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voxpops,

What about carrying a Roland A-88 (or similar) to a gig with a MAcBook Pro and all the VST's you can cram in it? Is it not easy enough to switch sounds on the fly with a set up like that? i.e.. lack of instant access buttons etc? Maybe add in a Maschine or other small board to have access to sounds? Not saying this is a cheaper option but it would provide unlimited access to any VST you could imagine. Whereas any stage piano is limited to what's already stored in it. I know on other forums many are going this route for home studios due to the shear versatility. I am newb remember so please take this with a grain of salt. :-)
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#2002162 - 12/20/12 01:19 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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Originally Posted By: thercman
voxpops,

What about carrying a Roland A-88 (or similar) to a gig with a MAcBook Pro and all the VST's you can cram in it? Is it not easy enough to switch sounds on the fly with a set up like that? i.e.. lack of instant access buttons etc? Maybe add in a Maschine or other small board to have access to sounds? Not saying this is a cheaper option but it would provide unlimited access to any VST you could imagine. Whereas any stage piano is limited to what's already stored in it. I know on other forums many are going this route for home studios due to the shear versatility. I am newb remember so please take this with a grain of salt. :-)

It's something I'm actively considering. I would probably use my existing MP6 or Numa piano, both of which have on-panel control of MIDI functions, and which also contain backup sounds.

Up to now, I've only gone down the on-stage VST route with VB3 and a netbook. That worked fine, but mainly because I didn't have to make changes on the PC - I could control everything from the board - and the resources needed were limited. I have been reluctant to do the same with piano VSTs, as the hardware requirements are so much greater. Also, I would need something larger than a netbook, and so siting becomes an issue (as well as security). I'm thinking about a convertible tablet running on an i5.

Multiple sounds becomes a bit of an issue, but for the most part I could stick with APs and EPs on the PC, and for the odd occasions when I need something else, I could use on-board or module sounds.


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#2002166 - 12/20/12 01:24 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: voxpops]
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Now Korg has proved that it's possible to make full use of TODAY'S technology, what is holding the others back?

If you're talking about the Krome, it's only been three months. ;-)

But all these companies products are based on decisions made along the way. In hindsight, Korg was very forward thinking in developing the Oasys as a Linux based platform back when it wasn't necessarily a cost effective choice, and the Oasys gave them a jump on developing the Kronos, as they already had a foundation that would transfer nicely to newer, cheaper, more powerful commodity components. I think it's interesting that even the Oasys couldn't stream samples, and it took them a year after the Kronos came out before you could stream any samples but their own optimized ones. Here they are immersed in an environment that supports it, and it still wasn't a slam dunk. I think that part of it is that people expect their computers to occasionally misbehave. If you load various streaming samples into your laptop, you know that you may have to tweak settings, you know that there may be delays in switching sounds, you know that there will occasionally be some audible glitch or excessive latency or a freeze up or whatever, but as computer users, you get used to accepting that something will only work right "most" of the time. When you buy a musical instrument, you expect it to work right pretty much 100% of the time.

Anyway, obviously, the competition has seen what Korg has done. Yamaha is probably best positioned to make similar moves, as their Motif became linux-based at its core at some point, I think with the XS. Roland is going an entirely different way, emphasizing modeling over humongous sets of raw data, so I don't see a huge streaming piano sample in their future (and actually, Yamaha has taken some steps in that direction as well, with SCM). As for the smaller players--Kawai, Nord, Kurzweil--it will be interesting to see what they do. They presumably don't have the resources of the big guys, but OTOH, sometimes a smaller company (or division) can be more nimble.

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#2002174 - 12/20/12 01:35 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Now Korg has proved that it's possible to make full use of TODAY'S technology, what is holding the others back?

If you're talking about the Krome, it's only been three months.

Whatever happened to good old industrial espionage? wink

I agree with you Scott, but I just think that turning this ship around is taking a heck of a long time. The writing's been on the wall ever since the main VST libraries got into gear, and was etched in stone when Kronos was launched. Yes, we do need our gear to work 100% of the time, and that's why I've been reluctant to go the VST route, but embedded technology is a heck of a lot more reliable, I understand.
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#2002181 - 12/20/12 01:44 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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So what do you guys think about modeling vs sampling? From what I understand with sampling you can here a note loop while sustaining but not with modeling. Also from what I can tell by listening (untrained ear btw) sampling seems to be more lively whereas modeling a little flatter... Not sure if I explained that right.
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#2002191 - 12/20/12 01:56 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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Originally Posted By: thercman
So what do you guys think about modeling vs sampling? From what I understand with sampling you can here a note loop while sustaining but not with modeling. Also from what I can tell by listening (untrained ear btw) sampling seems to be more lively whereas modeling a little flatter... Not sure if I explained that right.


That's only if it is looped. Some of the above posters are hoping DP's can start doing like VST's and having great big 30 second (or whatever) samples that have no looping and sound just like the acoustic from which they were sampled. Frankly that's what I was expecting in the AvantGrands, and it would be awesome.

Sampled vs modeled sound is just a bit outside the scope of this thread since the only modeled hardware piano is the V and it costs far more than $3k, but suffice it to say that both have their advantages in VST's. For most people including myself sampled sounds are still more authentic. Hardware digitals may go the route of software VST's (with great big samples) or pure modeling (like PianoTeq and the V piano) or a hybrid of the two approaches (most hardware pianos have at least some modeling element but Roland's supernatural appears to have the most by far and is the poster child for hybrid approaches).


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#2002200 - 12/20/12 02:04 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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Originally Posted By: thercman
From what I understand with sampling you can here a note loop while sustaining but not with modeling.

Modeling = no loop

Sampling = no loop if sampled for the full length of the note, otherwise looped, sometimes more audible than others

For some people, audible loops are a death knell. To me, there are worse sins. There are DPs I prefer to the Kronos, even though they are looped and the Kronos is not. None of the available DPs/workstations are perfect, but different people are more attuned to different shortcomings.

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#2002315 - 12/20/12 06:16 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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anotherscott wrote:
,,You can certainly get a workstation with weighted keys. Some 88 key workstations arguably have better feeling piano-style keybeds than some DPs do. In other cases, they're basically the same. The Korg SP250, SV-1, and Kronos 73/88 all have basically the same keybed. So I wouldn't rule out a workstation, if that's what you want, based on it not being called a DP."
so guys, what do yo think about Yamaha MOX-8 in that reason?

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#2002337 - 12/20/12 07:17 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: Grazzy]
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so guys, what do yo think about Yamaha MOX-8 in that reason?

The MOX8 has the same quality action as the P-95 and P-105. Although those are their low end models, if that DP action is suitable for you, then you can get that action with workstation features in the MOX8.

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#2003007 - 12/22/12 08:59 AM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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Coming from someone who has owned many DPs from the CP300 to the RD-700GXF/NX, to the Nord Piano and now Nord Piano 2, I would say hands down the NP2 is in a class of its own for a gigging musician doing mostly acoustic piano work. The AP sounds are top notch, offer genuine variety, and connect well with the action. The action, while certainly is the least likable part of the NP2, it's no slouch. It works. Part of the price premium on the Nords is the FAR LOWER production volumes, handmade build quality, and design of the software/hardware implementation. It's expensive to have the type of RAM that allows such quick (relatively) downloading and deleting of samples.

Witt that said, I would go with the Kawai MP10, ES7, or RD-700NX/FP-7F if you're wanting a good action and still some portability. They offer good sound, good actions, and are all easily under the $3K mark. Plus all are portable, albeit the MP10 is a handful.
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#2003029 - 12/22/12 10:22 AM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: PianoZac]
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Plus all are portable, albeit the MP10 is a handful.


Yes. I think it's right on the absolute limit of what an averagely strong person could deal with. I move mine about, but only from one room to another and it is a real struggle. Stairs would be a no-no. Maybe with a wheeled case it would be easier in general but just getting it into and out of the case would risk injury if you weren't pretty careful. The RD is easier without a doubt but due to the position of the stupid pitch-bend/mod control it is too long. FP-7F is subjectively only maybe a kilo or two lighter because of its amp/speakers. ES7 is probably a tad lighter again, getting more reasonable but they are all beasts to handle on your own. The Nord is very much easier and I suppose the lighter and less realistic action is the price you pay for portability.
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#2003039 - 12/22/12 10:37 AM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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I had to go down narrow stairs to a gig last night. I was going to take the FP-4 but ended up using the MP6 because I wanted the better Rhodes sounds. It was a struggle, even using a wheeled case. That piano weighs just over 47lbs. The RD at 55lbs would have been painful, and the MP10 at 70lbs would have been downright dangerous, IMO.

And of course, it's not just the raw weight of the piano. Accessories and the case itself add measurably to the overall mass that has to be manhandled. Then, when you've made more trips to bring a second keyboard, 50lbs of amp/speaker, a heavy cable bag, stand and stool, it's all a bit much for a 59-year-old. Rinse and repeat tonight! Ah well, it's better than idling away one's life in bars and clubs... wait a minute... confused
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#2003064 - 12/22/12 11:52 AM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
I had to go down narrow stairs to a gig last night. I was going to take the FP-4 but ended up using the MP6 because I wanted the better Rhodes sounds. It was a struggle, even using a wheeled case.
...
Then, when you've made more trips to bring a second keyboard...

I guess your second board didn't have a sufficient Rhodes sound to drive from the FP4 either? (The FP4 does have a nice capability of allowing you to create registrations that call up specified sounds on an attached external MIDI device.) Short of going to a computer, assuming you don't want to do that, maybe you can find a rack piece with a Rhodes sound you like, to allow the lighter FP4 to be used in these situations.

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#2003081 - 12/22/12 12:42 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
I had to go down narrow stairs to a gig last night. I was going to take the FP-4 but ended up using the MP6 because I wanted the better Rhodes sounds. It was a struggle, even using a wheeled case.
...
Then, when you've made more trips to bring a second keyboard...

I guess your second board didn't have a sufficient Rhodes sound to drive from the FP4 either? (The FP4 does have a nice capability of allowing you to create registrations that call up specified sounds on an attached external MIDI device.) Short of going to a computer, assuming you don't want to do that, maybe you can find a rack piece with a Rhodes sound you like, to allow the lighter FP4 to be used in these situations.


Well, I would have taken the Nord Electro as my second board if I'd used the FP-4. As it was, I took the Casio XW-P1 with a netbook and VB3 as my second tier. Our guitarist is off with a busted leg at the moment, and I wanted the Kawai's fuller Rhodes sound (better and more expressive than the NE2's, IMO), and the greasier B3 sound to make up for the big hole in the band's sound. I would not have dreamed of using the Casio's onboard EPs, as they suck - YMMV.

I really appreciate the FP-4's ability to set up specific registrations that can include individual MIDI setups. For a very short time I used a Ketron module with it, and have thought about repurchasing the GEM RP-X. But for the most part, it has become my "jazz" board. When I have to do duo or trio jazz gigs, it works very well, with the right degree of crispness to the AP sound, and a very fast, well-connected action.
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#2003091 - 12/22/12 01:20 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
I took the Casio XW-P1 with a netbook and VB3 as my second tier.

If you've got a netbook set up in the rig anyway, I would think you could find a really nice EP for that that could run along with VB3.

Originally Posted By: voxpops
I wanted the Kawai's fuller Rhodes sound (better and more expressive than the NE2's, IMO)

I'm not a big fan of the Nord EPs, so that's not surprising. I've heard good things about the Kawai (well, I guess at least from you!), I haven't had a chance to check it out myself. But my motivation would only be academic, as I would never gig with anything that heavy.

Originally Posted By: voxpops
and the greasier B3 sound to make up for the big hole in the band's sound.

Which B3 sound? (The MP6 and the XW-P1 both have tonewheel modes...)

Originally Posted By: voxpops
I would not have dreamed of using the Casio's onboard EPs, as they suck - YMMV.

I agree.

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#2003092 - 12/22/12 01:26 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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Well I am still pondering all my options at this point and waiting to see what NAMM may or may not bring. I have been listening a lot to the Nord Piano 2 demos online. Luisdent has some great videos! (nicely done btw) While I'm not impressed by the key action or the price, I am starting to see that the additional features more than make up for the initial cost. For example the huge "free" online library with a nice computer interface. And they are always adding new stuff. IMO this sets them apart (far above) the other manufactures in sheer versatility. The ability to change what is loaded on the piano and not having to be tied to a computer may just win me over to the Nord camp. At this point my mind changes with wind. Part of the learning curve I suppose...


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#2003103 - 12/22/12 01:52 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
I took the Casio XW-P1 with a netbook and VB3 as my second tier.

If you've got a netbook set up in the rig anyway, I would think you could find a really nice EP for that that could run along with VB3.

I've actually got Mr Ray 73 MKII in the netbook, although I'm not totally convinced by it, yet. I have run both VB3 and Mr Ray at home using Cantabile Lite, but it's pushing the limit of the Netbook's capability. I don't want to be living on the edge during a gig. I will have a go at Lounge Lizard, though, to find out how that fares.

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Originally Posted By: voxpops
and the greasier B3 sound to make up for the big hole in the band's sound.

Which B3 sound? (The MP6 and the XW-P1 both have tonewheel modes...)

VB3! The XW's organ is thin and sterile, and the "Leslie" is poor. The Kawai's is passable in a pinch, but I wouldn't run it from it's own keyboard, and without full drawbar control it's not much use to me.
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#2003106 - 12/22/12 01:55 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: thercman]
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Well I am still pondering all my options at this point and waiting to see what NAMM may or may not bring. I have been listening a lot to the Nord Piano 2 demos online. Luisdent has some great videos! (nicely done btw) While I'm not impressed by the key action or the price, I am starting to see that the additional features more than make up for the initial cost. For example the huge "free" online library with a nice computer interface. And they are always adding new stuff. IMO this sets them apart (far above) the other manufactures in sheer versatility. The ability to change what is loaded on the piano and not having to be tied to a computer may just win me over to the Nord camp. At this point my mind changes with wind. Part of the learning curve I suppose...

The Nord is probably the best compromise at the moment, if you need a light(ish)weight board. But, as you say, it's best to wait to see what NAMM brings (if anything).
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#2003110 - 12/22/12 01:59 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Which B3 sound? (The MP6 and the XW-P1 both have tonewheel modes...)

VB3!

Duh. <sound of hand slapping forehead>

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#2007665 - 01/01/13 08:44 PM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: voxpops]
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what does the EP in casio's onboard EP stand for?
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#2007802 - 01/02/13 04:16 AM Re: Which stage piano for less than $3K, and why? [Re: adak]
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what does the EP in casio's onboard EP stand for?

Electric piano.

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