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#200411 - 10/06/07 09:50 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights
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If it was recommended by Larry Fine and has a 10 year warranty, why worry?

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#200412 - 10/06/07 11:36 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights
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To me it's one of the more attractive Chinese low-priced uprights. It has a nice sound. How long it lasts will depend a lot on how it's taken care of and how much daily use it gets. If you are more interested in something that plays well 50 years from now than something that plays well now, it is probably not the piano for you.
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#200413 - 10/07/07 12:18 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights
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pianoguru's first post here said:

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Regarding Palatino upright pianos.......they are among the best uprights for the price around......like em better than Pearl River, Hamilton, and others priced in a similar manner. I like the bright bold sound of them.....I also like the action on them,.....solid...........hope this helps...........
Holy smokes, just realize this is someone posting *new* and is in reality resurrecting quite suspiciously a thread from way back in 2005!!

Thought this was a *customer* asking - nice try anyways......

OUCH!!

"Almost got into your mesh - Mr.Fresch!!" \:D

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#200414 - 12/03/07 01:41 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights
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Why not anyone mention Perzina? I guess it is also a Chinese make piano and might be the best among them?

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#200415 - 12/03/07 04:39 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights
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from AndrewF
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Why not anyone mention Perzina?
You did, so that's taken care of.

This thread is now two years and four months old.
Steve Cohen has now responded to Albanypark's post of July 2, 2005....

"If it looks like a piano and sounds like a piano, then it is a piano."

....by saying on Oct. 6, 2007

"I wouldn't be so hasty."


Apparently, Steve lives up to his words. \:D

AndrewF is right. This one should take the exit to Perzinaville.
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#200416 - 12/03/07 07:30 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights
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Hi: In support of a deposit. some times a piano in stock, has a lower cost. Replacement cost can sometimes be a lot higher to the dealer, which gets passed on to the consumer. Second a second model of the same piano may have a different personality. As long as a deposit is refundable
( should be written on buyers form ) In my opinion I think it's OK. I found the palatina piano to be nice, for its price point
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#200417 - 12/03/07 11:19 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights
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Originally posted by turandot:
This thread is now two years and four months old.
Steve Cohen has now responded to Albanypark's post of July 2, 2005....

"If it looks like a piano and sounds like a piano, then it is a piano."

....by saying on Oct. 6, 2007

"I wouldn't be so hasty."

Apparently, Steve lives up to his words. \:D
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#1501886 - 08/23/10 08:23 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: diinin]
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UPDATE:

The thread intrigued me ever since as I always assumed Hailun was involved building stuff for others.

To be frank as Hailun dealer, I was not not overly happy with this situation.

RECENT REVELATIONS AND FACTS:

Hailun years ago did supply plate and strung backs for one of Palatino's piano [123] - but no longer *does*.

According to Hailun representatives wich is the point I am trying to make, there is no relationship or OEM agreement between Hailun and Palatino at this time.

Who exactly is involved with manufacturing Palatino pianos at this time is for Palatino to reveal: the pianos appear to be distributed by a company called AXL.

http://www.axlmusic.com/

AXL offers a number of products in conjunction with 18 other companies this, according to their own website]

http://www.axlmusic.com/aboutus.html

The basic point and to be clear, Hailun is no longer involved.

Norbert


Edited by Norbert (08/24/10 08:36 PM)
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#1501944 - 08/23/10 09:25 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: Norbert]
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What a fun thread and fun post from you, Norbert!

In July of 2005 Paul Y confided that a Palatino was not a Yamaha. Now in August, 2010 you have broken new ground in revealing that a Palatino is not a Hailun either! grin

Just a hypothetical...

What if Hailun supplied strungbakcs to Parsons in Xichang who in turn used those strungbacks to fill Palatino orders for AXL (as well as Brodmann orders for the noted Viennese maker Joe Brodmann grin ). Would there in that case be "no relationship or OEM agreement between Hailun and Palatino at this time?"

BTW,if you found a Hailun strungback in one of your Brodmann verticals, would you also be "not overly happy"? (Also just a hypothetical, of course.) grin
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#1501951 - 08/23/10 09:32 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: turandot]
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Tur:

My post wasn't so much about Palatino as it was about Hailun.

Went miles to get the record straight..

Norbert


Edited by Norbert (08/23/10 10:04 PM)
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#1501962 - 08/23/10 09:46 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: Norbert]
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Originally Posted By: Norbert
Tur:

If confused, there's always Ritmueller....

Norbert grin


It's a nice piano, but I don't trust Pearl either. They've got their fingers in most of thoes nice house brands in European shops and they've gone and branded the Rits as Kaysenburg in Asia!

I tell you...who can you trust these days? grin

Maybe go with China Baldwin. From what I hear, DongBei Dolly isn't getting around as much these days.
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#1501974 - 08/23/10 10:17 PM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: turandot]
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I think some of the top Chinese makers starting to realize that vague or eggagerated claims doesn't sell.

Reputation ags to be *earned* and I think we're increasingly seeing more trying very hard in that particular respect.

If some of the Chinese realize the benefit of hiring certain top guns putting their own investment $$ to it - so be it.

Nobody needs to be ashamed of hiring some of the calibre of Frank Emerson, Rodolph Ibach or Lothar Thomma.

Perhaps this will give some of these guys a real chance actually building a world class piano, a piano that can and will seriously compete against others.

Understanding of things can only be gained by knowing "who is doing what" - requiring as much transparency as possible.

This transparency is increasingly harder to come by be it those Euros building in other countries with Chinese supplied parts, *Japanese pianos* being built or pre-built in China, or the Chinese themselves with some endlessly copying the other.

Ironically it could be some of the top Chinese makers today turning out to be 'most trustworthy' - after all they are proud to advertise or at least tell us who is working for them and where exactly their stuff is being made.

Certainly not to be said for everybody else out there....

Norbert


Edited by Norbert (08/24/10 01:37 AM)
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#1502078 - 08/24/10 02:47 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: Norbert]
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So...did the OP buy the piano?

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#1502086 - 08/24/10 03:23 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: Oblacone]
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I've briefly played Palatino. Not bad at all.

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#1502170 - 08/24/10 09:18 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: gnuboi]
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And the hyping of Hailun by Norbert continues....

Also, conveniently omitted from the list of high-caliber designers was Del Fandrich. [Oh yea, the best know here on PW, but he designs for Young Chang one of Hailun's biggest competitors.]

So much for going miles to set the record straight.

Norbert, can you document a worsening in Palatino's performance?
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#1502204 - 08/24/10 10:22 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: Steve Cohen]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Cohen
And the hyping of Hailun by Norbert continues....


Oh, I don't know about hype. Campaigning for transparencyin sourcing, regardless of the narrow focus of this campaign grin), is different from hype.

I think you're missing the point here. Norbert posted:


Quote:
"RECENT REVELATIONS AND FACTS:

Hailun years ago did supply plate and strung backs for one of Palatino's piano [123] - but no longer *does*.

The fact that Hailun was involved at that time may also very well have caused Palatino's current ratings by Larry Fine."


That's an alarming inference. One assumes that Larry Fine does his homework and that he doesn't base his impressions or ratings on a rumored link between one Chinese 'maker' and another Chinese maker/supplier, particularly when the rumored link is old.

The latest Piano Buyer writeup on Palatino states personal experience with the Palatino brand. Larry Fine was at NAMM this year. Palatino showed at NAMM. One assumes that the current rating is based on that opportunity to personally evaluate the Palatino pianos, along with the reported experience of dealers and technicians.

It would probably be useful for you to set the record straight on the basis of the current Palatino rating.
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#1502211 - 08/24/10 10:31 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: turandot]
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Originally Posted By: turandot
Originally Posted By: Steve Cohen
And the hyping of Hailun by Norbert continues....


Oh, I don't know about hype. Campaigning for transparencyin sourcing, regardless of the narrow focus of this campaign grin), is different from hype.

I think you're missing the point here. Norbert posted:


Quote:
"RECENT REVELATIONS AND FACTS:

Hailun years ago did supply plate and strung backs for one of Palatino's piano [123] - but no longer *does*.

The fact that Hailun was involved at that time may also very well have caused Palatino's current ratings by Larry Fine."


That's an alarming inference. One assumes that Larry Fine does his homework and that he doesn't base his impressions or ratings on a rumored link between one Chinese 'maker' and another Chinese maker/supplier, particularly when the rumored link is old.

The latest Piano Buyer writeup on Palatino states personal experience with the Palatino brand. Larry Fine was at NAMM this year. Palatino showed at NAMM. One assumes that the current rating is based on that opportunity to personally evaluate the Palatino pianos, along with the reported experience of dealers and technicians.

It would probably be useful for you to set the record straight on the basis of the current Palatino rating.


Larry has contacted Hailun and, so far, is getting a slightly different story. Facts are being checked and will be reflected in Piano Buyer when appropriate. I will clarify here, as soon as we get the facts.
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#1502215 - 08/24/10 10:46 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: Steve Cohen]
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Why does it matter? Why is communication with Hailun necessary?

The current Piano Buyer writeup of Palatino states good qulaity control and factory preparation based on personal observation and dealer reports. There is no mention of Hailun.

Can't you simply confirm that personal observation and dealer reports are the basis of the current Palatino rating, and not some agreement with Hailun?
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#1502226 - 08/24/10 10:58 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: turandot]
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Originally Posted By: turandot
Why does it matter? Why is communication with Hailun necessary?

The current Piano Buyer writeup of Palatino states good qulaity control and factory preparation based on personal observation and dealer reports. There is no mention of Hailun.

Can't you simply confirm that personal observation and dealer reports are the basis of the current Palatino rating, and not some agreement with Hailun?


Yes, I can confirm that.
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#1502239 - 08/24/10 11:26 AM Re: Palatino brand uprights [Re: Steve Cohen]
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My post was not about Palatino as such but simply to confirm the discontinued cooperation with Hailun.

This is the information I personally got from "high up" - if this is wrong or differs from what Larry Fine knows, I stand to be corrected.

As dealers for a brand we need to rely on the information that is given to us by company representatives - should this be incorrect there is a serious problem.

I certainly did not intend to "hype Hailun" in any of this, sorry if this impression was given.

Apologies also that I forgot to mention Dell and his newly designed lines of Young Chang, there are a few others as well.

If these new levels of quality are to be shared by others is totally up to the company who achieved it.

Again, in case of Hailun, I was specifically instructed this is no longer the case.

Norbert


Edited by Norbert (08/24/10 11:39 AM)
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