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#2004428 - 12/25/12 11:20 PM NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions??
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For you guys that follow this stuff, what companies do you think are due for new stage pianos, and will they release them at NAMM? Maybe you have heard rumors of new stage pianos that might be introduced. Post your thoughts, rumors, guesses and speculations. :-)


Edited by thercman (12/25/12 11:22 PM)
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#2004438 - 12/25/12 11:50 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Stage piano or controller from Kawai.
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#2004439 - 12/25/12 11:50 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I wonder if a graph of annual DP sales would show a slight peak before Christmas followed by a deeper valley before NAMM... I know that I'm waiting now!

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#2004443 - 12/25/12 11:56 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I don't know that I've ever heard a rumor per se about a piano announcement. I wish I had.

I have unfounded speculations aplenty. Gimme a Kawai GF stage piano to replace the MP10--that's pretty likely since they have GF in several console models now. At this point we'd all be disappointed if they didn't. Maybe a Kawai MIDI controller (though it would be more likely to be RH2-based, not GF...because a GF midi controller would make me too happy). That would send shock waves around this forum if it happened bceause tons of us want a good midi controller and there just ain't any to be had. Probably about time they replaced the EP3 as well. It's several actions behind. The bad news: Kawai prices seem to be trending upward (unless it's just me), so don't expect to buy the GF stage piano for peanuts.

I don't know if Casio has any more fun announcements after the relatively recent slurry of pianos they came out with, but it would be fun.

Yamaha, well, the P105 is creeping up on the P155, which is due for a change. Decent chance the P155 could get replaced, which would also be a big deal in this forum since that is an oft recommended model. Apparently the CP33 and CP300 will never, ever, ever be replaced, so don't expect that. smile

I never know what Roland is doing. My guess is MOAR SUPERNATURAL, everywhere. Probably in lower level pianos as well. It would be cool if they had a SuperDuperNatural. A cheaper V piano would make some serious waves here and cause many a fun thread, but I'm not holding my breath. An upgraded a better V piano would be fun, but cause fewer waves. Still not holding breath.

I really can't predict what software pianos are going to do. I guess Ivory could come out with a new, individually sold piano. I can't guess what it would be. We'd all go nuts if it was a Kawai EX, but I'd think a handmade piano from a small, expensive brand of some sort is more likely (I know the EX is expensive and hand made in some senses, but Kawai is not small). Galaxy? Well, we can always hope.

Well, those are my guesses. I have no inside information whatsoever, so take it for what it's worth (which is entertainment value only).


Edited by gvfarns (12/26/12 12:16 AM)

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#2004469 - 12/26/12 02:05 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I would love to see companies like Roland, Yamaya and Kawai announce that "along with our brand new model "x" piano, you now have access to our new online library." Similar to what Nord has already done. I think if they don't it is going to seriously hurt them going forward. Kind of like GM not following the signs of what the consumer wants.

If the above doesn't happen I would like to see some sound storage modules be released that don't cost a grand so I could add VST's to whatever keyboard I have and not need a computer.

Based on my limited knowledge that's what I would like to see moving forward. :-)
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#2004480 - 12/26/12 05:08 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Hi

I would like to second the wish for an updated V piano - ideally in a nice cabinet form factor at long last, as well as the stage version. It's been a bit of a mystery to me why Roland haven't done this yet. I spoke to a Roland rep.,and he said he thought the V Piano sound couldn't compete with supernatural - though I think there are many people on here who would disagree with him, myself included.

it would be super cool to see Yamaha do an upgrade of the N1 sound, to leapfrog the NU1's newer sample set. i'm not holding my breath mind you. As someone else mentioned, the ability to add /expand the sound libraries on these instruments would be absolutely great. That sort of flexibility is definitely the future.

Sorry these thoughts aren't directly related to stage pianos BTW.

Cheers

Matt


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#2004488 - 12/26/12 06:42 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: gvfarns]
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Viscount: Physis will debute. If not, it is a Vaporware then.

Roland: VPiano update would be an overdue step. Perhaps with a improved keyboard for both VP and VP Grand.

Yamaha: AG N3 is an important and old enough instrument to see some update.

CP1, CP5/50 are three years old, and would be interesting to see how much modelling improvements YAMAHA is willing to disclose with these models.

CP155 is overdue to get replaced, probably with a GH3 action.

Kawai: I expect one or more new products range over the CA95. Positioned where the CA111 had been or beyond to compete with Yamaha's and Roland's premium offerings. Perhaps with a somewhat improved GF revision with a new Hyper-Grand name.

MP10 will become a GF keybed, including a Nord sound source.
MP6 gets replaced also, but with an RH2 action, sound coming from a Nord module.

CA13 could be replaced by a CA15 as well with a GF keybed. (RM3 could then be completely abandoned.)

CL26/36 are relatively young, but keyboard sortiment consolidation could justify an upgrade to the RH2 line. After then there would be only 2 Kawai actions (RH2/GF).

A CN44 would be a desirable update for many customers as a true replacement for the now discontinued CN43 - it would compete with CA15, but this is nothing bad.

A MIDI controller could be a logical expansion for both Casio and Kawai - keyboard action being their strength. But I do not expect a low price point for these, you will almost pay for having built-out sound in these keyboard-only modules (and for the somewhat lighter construction). (Like a 61 Key Hammer Action Fatar did cost almost the same as the full 88 Module for the same reason!)

SW-instruments: VI-Labs should now show their product is real, I don't expect major novelties just now from Galaxy, Pianoteq, Ivory, EW Studio but let us surprise. Perhaps SampleTekk could bring out a new remixed Yamaha on basis of their recently issued (by now hopefully fixed) Black (Steinway in Kontakt5).

I am without an industrial or marketing background in this area, so the value of my predictions is mostly to test how much such an interested individual might be able to assess market logic.

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#2004489 - 12/26/12 06:59 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Temperament]
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Sorry for having included much other stuff as just STAGE pianos in my previous post, I have just overlooked the topic subject...

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#2004514 - 12/26/12 08:58 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Taylorius]
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Originally Posted By: Taylorius
Hi

I spoke to a Roland rep.,and he said he thought the V Piano sound couldn't compete with supernatural - though I think there are many people on here who would disagree with him, myself included.

Matt


i would take the guy from Roland at his word. Their recent actions seem to reinforce this conclusion.
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#2004522 - 12/26/12 09:19 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Merry Christmas, PW! I'll take a kick at the cat:

Folks will delay their purchases in hopes, dreams, and prayers for the next big thing, or at least the next generation...only to be once again disappointed or underwhelmed by new releases, or lack thereof.

Or so it's been for the past few years. Timing and product life cycles notwithstanding, I think the still-flagging global economy is also at work here.

Sorry to be a holiday buzz kill, folks. I would actually like to be proven wrong.


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#2004529 - 12/26/12 09:38 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Honesty appreciated. And don't apologize for the buzz-kill. Reality trumps dreams.

I have to agree with you. Change in this business is slow. Should anyone be surprised? I'm not.

Products are offered when there is sufficient demand. That there are few really new products each year suggests that there is little new demand, despite the wishes stated here.

So where does demand come from? It comes from people with money in hand, willing to spend it on a piano. The job of marketing is to help create that demand. Do new features stimulate demand? Apparently not much.

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#2004533 - 12/26/12 09:51 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I'm a little confused about the V-Piano statement from the Roland rep. He said the V-Piano sound couldn't compete with supernatural. So he's saying that their $7000 V sound is not as good as their much lower cost supernatural models? Huh? If that's the case then maybe they should mark down the price of the V to under $2000.

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#2004539 - 12/26/12 10:28 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: btcomm]
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i thought the v-piano was a supernatual sound ? I've never seen one so I was just thinking it was.
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#2004540 - 12/26/12 10:32 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I'm certainly no expert but I can pass on what I've learned from the top digital organ manufacturer here in the Netherlands.

I was given a personal tour of their factory when they had an open day. I made the comment that I found it amazing in this day and age that the display screens for the instruments were so small.

He simply pointed to their stock. They buy those items in bulk and use them until they're gone (and I would also imagine keeping enough in stock for future repairs).



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#2004556 - 12/26/12 11:44 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: btcomm]
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I agree with you btcomm, I thought it was odd at the time - mind you, this was a Roland guy who was resident in Harrods DP department, so he may not be super-well informed. He wasn't that big a fan of the V-Piano anyway, it seemed, so who knows really.

I have always thought the V Piano was an odd instrument. Though I went to the London launch of the V-Grand, and thought it sounded pretty good, if a little lacking in oomph. The question remains though, why haven't they put V-Piano tech. into their "mainstream" DP range?

OH well, I suppose we'll have to wait and see :-)

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#2004559 - 12/26/12 11:51 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Dave Horne]
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Well, if any entrepreneurs wish to build something for which there is a tremendous market waiting for it ...

How about a digital piano with a terrific sound system, great key bed, a default sound generator with an option to load your own software sound generator ?

It just seems like the time for this is now.
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#2004562 - 12/26/12 11:57 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I just bought my first DP, Kawai ES7 and absolutely love it. Prior to purchasing the ES7 I got to play/test many digital pianos in my purchasing process. Most memorable was the Yamaha CP300. I had a blast cranking it up at a local Guitar Center. Truly a classic board (circa 2006) now greatly behind by today's newer DPs. However, I would love to see a full blown update on the technology AND keep the GREAT on-board speakers. Let's just keep it easy and throw some on-board speakers to the CP1, price it at $2,999.00 and call it a CP400 ;-) Sorry, more of a wish than a prediction.
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#2004653 - 12/26/12 03:11 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: MacMacMac]
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...Do new features stimulate demand? Apparently not much.
Well, one big new feature would be to omit some supeflouos old ones and make a usable portable MIDI controller without any sound module and amlifyiers/boxes ... what a huge advancement...

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#2004790 - 12/27/12 04:24 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Temperament]
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Originally Posted By: Temperament
Viscount: Physis will debute. If not, it is a Vaporware then.


It should be not, they are demoing it around Italy and some shops are already listing it for sale (from January 2013)


Edited by Maxpiano (12/27/12 06:33 AM)
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#2004868 - 12/27/12 10:00 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: mitzysman]
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I'm a little confused about the V-Piano statement from the Roland rep. He said the V-Piano sound couldn't compete with supernatural. So he's saying that their $7000 V sound is not as good as their much lower cost supernatural models? Huh? If that's the case then maybe they should mark down the price of the V to under $2000.


i believe that is exactly what he's saying. but dont think you'd see it marked down much, probably just becomes an orphan.

Originally Posted By: mitzysman
i thought the v-piano was a supernatual sound ? I've never seen one so I was just thinking it was.


The v-piano is not sampled- its 100% modelled- like pianoteq. Supernatural incorporates some of the effects modelling into recorded piano samples- a hybrid approach. For now, probably the most sensible approach.
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#2005298 - 12/28/12 03:03 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: bfb]
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I have no special knowledge, but I suspect we won't see many new piano products at NAMM 2013 but will have to wait for Frankfurt, where they can make maybe a bigger international splash.

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#2005413 - 12/28/12 10:24 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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My prediction is that no matter what is announced from where that someone will be on this forum complaining about it.
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#2005708 - 12/28/12 06:01 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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#2005724 - 12/28/12 06:35 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: gvfarns]
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Originally Posted By: gvfarns
I don't know that I've ever heard a rumor per se about a piano announcement. I wish I had.

I have unfounded speculations aplenty. Gimme a Kawai GF stage piano to replace the MP10--that's pretty likely since they have GF in several console models now. At this point we'd all be disappointed if they didn't. Maybe a Kawai MIDI controller (though it would be more likely to be RH2-based, not GF...because a GF midi controller would make me too happy). That would send shock waves around this forum if it happened bceause tons of us want a good midi controller and there just ain't any to be had. Probably about time they replaced the EP3 as well. It's several actions behind. The bad news: Kawai prices seem to be trending upward (unless it's just me), so don't expect to buy the GF stage piano for peanuts.

I don't know if Casio has any more fun announcements after the relatively recent slurry of pianos they came out with, but it would be fun.

Yamaha, well, the P105 is creeping up on the P155, which is due for a change. Decent chance the P155 could get replaced, which would also be a big deal in this forum since that is an oft recommended model. Apparently the CP33 and CP300 will never, ever, ever be replaced, so don't expect that. smile

I never know what Roland is doing. My guess is MOAR SUPERNATURAL, everywhere. Probably in lower level pianos as well. It would be cool if they had a SuperDuperNatural. A cheaper V piano would make some serious waves here and cause many a fun thread, but I'm not holding my breath. An upgraded a better V piano would be fun, but cause fewer waves. Still not holding breath.

I really can't predict what software pianos are going to do. I guess Ivory could come out with a new, individually sold piano. I can't guess what it would be. We'd all go nuts if it was a Kawai EX, but I'd think a handmade piano from a small, expensive brand of some sort is more likely (I know the EX is expensive and hand made in some senses, but Kawai is not small). Galaxy? Well, we can always hope.

Well, those are my guesses. I have no inside information whatsoever, so take it for what it's worth (which is entertainment value only).


I don't believe we shall see an updated V-Piano, however I do see in Roland's future the "super duper supernatural" sound as you comically put it. Perhaps called "supernatural plus" or "Supernatural V" and try and get somewhere between the current supernatural sound and the V-Piano's magnificence. Now I know I have EssBrace's blood boiling over that comment, lol however it makes sense By a purely marketing standpoint. They leave the V-Piano at premium $7000 price so only professionals continue to buy it, and market the technology into all of their lower brand name updates making them different and more innovative than Yamaha's midrange offerings. Ultimately it is all about competing against the rivals and the wording of the supernatural.marketing worked well the past four years.
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#2005726 - 12/28/12 06:42 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Kona_V-Piano]
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Originally Posted By: Kona_V-Piano
try and get somewhere between the current supernatural sound and the V-Piano's magnificence. Now I know I have EssBrace's blood boiling over that comment, lol


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#2005811 - 12/28/12 11:00 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Originally Posted By: Kona_V-Piano
try and get somewhere between the current supernatural sound and the V-Piano's magnificence. Now I know I have EssBrace's blood boiling over that comment, lol


mad


I do like reading some of these comments, although I am not going to add anything to it. laugh

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#2005814 - 12/28/12 11:14 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: pv88]
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My #1 prediction would be a Yamaha P-165.
#2- A Korg Piano based on Kronos samples.
Now, would Korg do NH or RH3 next time around?
#3- A $999 portable Roland to compete with the P-165!
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#2005824 - 12/28/12 11:56 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Possum SP280Krome]
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My #1 prediction would be a Yamaha P-165.

I agree. It would be wonderful if the P155 replacement could retain the relatively light weight and simple interface, but include a main piano at least as good as that in the CP5, plus the SCM Rhodes and Wurlitzer. It would sell like hotcakes. Certainly, it looks like the P155 is on its way out, as discounts are now easy to obtain.

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#2- A Korg Piano based on Kronos samples.
Now, would Korg do NH or RH3 next time around?

A lot of people (including me) would like to see an SV-2 with the Kronos APs and EPs, but I wonder whether the market is big enough for Korg to venture further down that somewhat idiosyncratic path.

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#3- A $999 portable Roland to compete with the P-165!

This one seems unlikely to me. Roland don't really seem that interested in competing at the low end.
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#2005833 - 12/29/12 12:19 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: voxpops]
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The one piano that I would say (terms of wow factor, era it was in) was the Korg Sg ProX. I had the module of it for 12 years of so. I think it even had EQ sliders on it. I would like to see Korg do the same.

What I really envision them doing is taking the 2.8gb sample and 400mb samples (piano and rhodes respectively) from the Krome and putting it into some sort of package with RH3.

Or they would put it with NH, include speakers and that's how it would be different than the Krome 88.

They just seemed to have dropped out of pianos really altogether aside from workstations. LP-350 is based on old technology and the SP-170 hasn't been mentioned here in ages
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#2005935 - 12/29/12 09:10 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I'd like to see a clock built into the screen of a keyboard.
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#2006093 - 12/29/12 03:52 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I think that the manufacturers will all pool their resources to produce slab and console versions of a DP that REALLY feels and sounds like a very nice upright AP, using 1TB of memory. They will sell it for a little less than a REALLY nice upright AP, since it will cost considerably less to make.

Then for next year, they'll do the same in a more refined grand-style cabinet, with enough power to fill a concert hall.

Oh, and Rupert Murdoch will become a force for good, hunger around the globe will be eliminated, and there will be a permanent solution to the woes in the Middle-East.

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#2006178 - 12/29/12 06:33 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: 10fingers]
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Originally Posted By: 10fingers
I think that the manufacturers will all pool their resources to produce slab and console versions of a DP that REALLY feels and sounds like a very nice upright AP, using 1TB of memory. They will sell it for a little less than a REALLY nice upright AP, since it will cost considerably less to make.

Then for next year, they'll do the same in a more refined grand-style cabinet, with enough power to fill a concert hall.

Oh, and hunger around the globe will be eliminated, and there will be a permanent solution to the woes in the Middle-East.


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#2006246 - 12/29/12 08:47 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: voxpops]
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A lot of people (including me) would like to see an SV-2 with the Kronos APs and EPs, but I wonder whether the market is big enough for Korg to venture further down that somewhat idiosyncratic path.



This board exists as a working preproduction sample and has for some time. Why hasn't it appeared ? $$$ constraints ...they chose the wide market appeal of the Krome over the rather more limited target market of the SV-1. It could be easily put into production however.
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#2006251 - 12/29/12 09:00 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Hmmm...in order of importance:

Red... check!
Decent EPs... check!
Decent organ... check!
Flaky keyboard action... check!



Well, I still haven't bitten the bullet on the Electro 4 yet, so perhaps I can wait a few more weeks to see if the SV-2 materialises at NAMM?

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#2006576 - 12/30/12 02:17 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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#2006606 - 12/30/12 03:30 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Nord Stage 2 EX (more memory)
Yamaha updated CP series/AvantGrand sound update
Roland releasing new V-Piano related products/sounds
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U.S. Senate actually passing a budget and Obama cutting the deficit in half.

All WISHFUL thinking. I know. smile

On a serious note, I think the general economic stagnation will keep the manufacturers conservative and boring. At least we won't have surprises! grin
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#2007667 - 01/01/13 08:46 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: moleskincrusher]
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I have no special knowledge, but I suspect we won't see many new piano products at NAMM 2013 but will have to wait for Frankfurt, where they can make maybe a bigger international splash.


what show is going on at frankfurt and when will it be?
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#2007765 - 01/02/13 01:04 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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They mean Frankfurt Musikmesse which is an international music fair that will take place in Frankfurt am Mein between 10th and 13th of April 2013

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#2007807 - 01/02/13 05:19 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: PianoZac]
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Nord Stage 2 EX (more memory)
Yamaha updated CP series/AvantGrand sound update
Roland releasing new V-Piano related products/sounds
Kawai updating MP10/MP6
U.S. Senate actually passing a budget and Obama cutting the deficit in half.

All WISHFUL thinking. I know. smile

On a serious note, I think the general economic stagnation will keep the manufacturers conservative and boring. At least we won't have surprises! grin


Only 1 on your list is actually a going to happen wink
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#2007821 - 01/02/13 06:34 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Originally Posted By: PianoZac
Nord Stage 2 EX (more memory)
Yamaha updated CP series/AvantGrand sound update
Roland releasing new V-Piano related products/sounds
Kawai updating MP10/MP6
U.S. Senate actually passing a budget and Obama cutting the deficit in half.

All WISHFUL thinking. I know. smile

On a serious note, I think the general economic stagnation will keep the manufacturers conservative and boring. At least we won't have surprises! grin


Only 1 on your list is actually a going to happen wink


I'm really reaching here, but say Yamaha steps their game up for their 125th anniversary, would they give a dramatic downloadable software update to the current CP line? Or perhaps releasing actual new keyboards?
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#2007857 - 01/02/13 08:59 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I don't think you get much for free from Yamaha wink
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#2007861 - 01/02/13 09:00 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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It's the Kawai update....that is going to happen I reckon.
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#2007878 - 01/02/13 09:45 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Nah, he was referring to the US Senate passing the budget to prevent the 'Fiscal Cliff'...well, for two more months at least. By which time, we'll all be speculating about what new instruments will be announced at Frankfurt Musikmesse...

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#2007880 - 01/02/13 09:53 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: EssBrace]
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It's the Kawai update....that is going to happen I reckon.


As much as I would love to see an MP11 with the new GF action and an MP7 with the ES7 specs plus what the MP6 already has, I don't think it's going to happen this NAMM. It seems that Dr. Popper is eluding to an updated CP series (revamped keyboards), not free user downloadable software updates. Of course those are my words and not his. If that happens I really hope that Yamaha can up the specs on the CP5's acoustic pianos and magically reduce the weight and footprint of the instrument as a whole. If that happens I think I may repurchase a CP series stage piano.
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#2007904 - 01/02/13 11:11 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Rhodie73]
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I'm really reaching here, but say Yamaha steps their game up for their 125th anniversary, would they give a dramatic downloadable software update to the current CP line?


I'm completely on-board with that idea, as long as they apply it to the CP33, which, in some markets, is still considered part of the current CP line.

Heck, I'm even open to paying a nominal fee for new sounds. I certainly didn't pay a Nord-like premium price when I bought the 33, so I wouldn't expect them to be free.


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#2008106 - 01/02/13 05:19 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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It seems Yamaha, Kawai, and Roland are all due for some sort of updates as many of their stage pianos seem to be about three years old now. I am hoping Nord updates the memory on their models too. 500mb for pianos is nothing when some of their samples such as the new Italian Grand are 182.1mb.
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#2008169 - 01/02/13 07:24 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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A little off topic.. I'm out in so cal and wasn't able to find a guest pass. Do you guys think 2013 namm would be worth paying $100 to get into? I've never been to the show but only seen videos.


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#2008171 - 01/02/13 07:28 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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It's not generally open to the public, so unless you work in the music industry, you probably can't get in.
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#2008179 - 01/02/13 07:44 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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yes.. i am aware of that.. but when i say pay $100, you have to read between the lines. smile

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#2008180 - 01/02/13 07:48 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Gatsbee13]
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yes.. i am aware of that.. but when i say pay $100, you have to read between the lines. smile


If you live locally to the event, I'd give it a go. Will be at least as entertaining as a lot of gigs you might pay for, and you'll probably meet some renowned musicians there too. Plus all the new products. I wouldn't count on getting in though. You'd have to scout the place and look for the most suspect door guy... You might find that you are supposed to walk around in there with a lanyard around your neck with your pass credentials on it though. It would probably be easy to get kicked out.

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#2008186 - 01/02/13 08:01 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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there are people selling badges for $100 on craigslist.. they register you with your name and email.. if one were to do such a thing, they probably wouldnt get kicked out..

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#2008337 - 01/03/13 03:45 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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is the casio px150/350 the latest incarnation of their digital pianos? how old are they? will there be a successor this year at namm? i was wondering should i wait it out.
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#2008348 - 01/03/13 04:41 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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[non-contributory silliness]

re: gaining entry, watch some Yes Men clips - they're the experts. smile I love this one where they impersonated the Chamber of Commerce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flsNwClU1dI#t=2m38s (the action is at 2:38)

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#2008360 - 01/03/13 05:25 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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We went to the CES show in Vegas one year. Same type of thing. Apply online. Just make up a factitious business/company name, pay the entry fee and they send the pass. It is that simple... At least it was for CES. People knew we had no company affiliation but they didn't seem to care. :-)
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#2008416 - 01/03/13 08:38 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: adak]
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is the casio px150/350 the latest incarnation of their digital pianos? how old are they? will there be a successor this year at namm? i was wondering should i wait it out.


They are the latest and have only been out for a few months.
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#2008424 - 01/03/13 08:58 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Hey, happy birthday Deffie!
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#2008464 - 01/03/13 10:29 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Deffie]
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Originally Posted By: adak
is the casio px150/350 the latest incarnation of their digital pianos? how old are they? will there be a successor this year at namm? i was wondering should i wait it out.


They are the latest and have only been out for a few months.


so does casio usually release new pianos at namm? will there be a px-160?
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#2008573 - 01/03/13 02:28 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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If any I would tend to think casio would release a successor to the px-3 since it is based on the px-330.

The one to watch is Korg, this is their 50th anniversary as a company. Maybe an SV2? There are also rumors of a couple of new Korg analog synths floating around the internet
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#2008581 - 01/03/13 02:37 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I predict ... that this topic will be raised every year in advance of the winter NAMM show. And each time people will respond with a description of what they want, rather than what will appear at NAMM.

Fair enough. No one here has any means to know what will transpire at NAMM. The manufacturers keep their product plans quite secret. Unless someone here works for one of those firms, he won't have any information. If he does, he'll be compelled to keep it secret.

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#2008590 - 01/03/13 02:49 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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MacMacMac, Don't be a spoilsport! LOL. Alas, I fear that your prediction is the most accurate one this thread has seen. smile Maybe in the future it should have the subject heading "NAMM Wishes" instead of "NAMM Predictions"
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#2008892 - 01/04/13 08:59 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Kawai James]
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Hey, happy birthday Deffie!

Thanks!

Out of curiosity, is the piano in your avatar something that has been announced yet?
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#2008894 - 01/04/13 09:05 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Deffie]
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Out of curiosity, is the piano in your avatar something that has been announced yet?


Nope. wink
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#2009013 - 01/04/13 03:32 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Will be attending NAMM 2013. I'm so excited! My first visit.. Will have to bring my headphones and sheet music/books. For anyone that has been there, what's the best date and time to go ( least amount of people)

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#2009024 - 01/04/13 03:47 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Cool! You should take a laptop and start a thread where you fill us in on what you see there as it happens or something.

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#2009026 - 01/04/13 03:51 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Not sure if they'll have wifi there.. I don't currently have any mobile hotspot service.. But I do have an iphone 5 with unlimited data smile.. Ill try to take as much pics and vids as I can. Will probably take Thursday or Friday off of the namm week.

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#2009033 - 01/04/13 04:09 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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Meh... They'll probably have wifi.. I just need a better camera (iphone 5 is all i have, although it does have a pretty decent camera)

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#2009056 - 01/04/13 05:01 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Deffie]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Hey, happy birthday Deffie!

Thanks!

Out of curiosity, is the piano in your avatar something that has been announced yet?


Doubt that's a piano .....
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#2009131 - 01/04/13 08:13 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Hey, happy birthday Deffie!

Thanks!

Out of curiosity, is the piano in your avatar something that has been announced yet?


Doubt that's a piano .....


Rumored Kawai midi board?
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#2009133 - 01/04/13 08:19 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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will there be a successor to the yamaha cp33? and will the price go up? and when will new pianos typically be available in stores and ready to purchase?
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#2009146 - 01/04/13 09:18 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: adak]
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will there be a successor to the yamaha cp33? and will the price go up? and when will new pianos typically be available in stores and ready to purchase?


Yeah it's called the CP-50 and has been out for 3 years and the price went up to $1600 odd
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#2013266 - 01/12/13 07:45 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I've got a Kawai EP3 in my wish list on Kraft Music's site. However, since the EP3 is the cut down version of the ES6, and the ES6 has been replaced with the ES7, I'm going to wait to see if an EP4 shows up before making that purchase.

Does that seem like logical logic, Kawai James???????

Hmmmmmmmm??????!!!!! LOL

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#2013300 - 01/12/13 09:17 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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A new Roland V-Piano product? In an upright cabinet priced a little above the LX-15...
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#2013315 - 01/12/13 09:45 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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I've got 6 events to attend ..... My prediction is for excessive consumption of alcohol to occur as pure boredom sets in due to the lack of interesting new products ..... Except for a couple of things wink
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#2013317 - 01/12/13 09:47 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: thercman]
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NoviceJazzer, it would have to be an EP3.5, surely? wink
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#2013321 - 01/12/13 09:54 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Dr Popper]
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... the lack of interesting new products ..... Except for a couple of things wink


SuperNatural accordion from Roland?
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#2013329 - 01/12/13 10:00 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Kawai James]
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NoviceJazzer, it would have to be an EP3.5, surely? wink


I'm sure glad I won't have the money for that purchase until after the show. That spoiler didn't spoil anything for me. He he.

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#2013340 - 01/12/13 10:09 AM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
... the lack of interesting new products ..... Except for a couple of things wink


SuperNatural accordion from Roland?


We live in hope ....
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#2014000 - 01/13/13 04:42 PM Re: NAMM 2013: What are your stage piano predictions?? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Would be nice if there would be something for $1000-$1500 with decent speakers- which is probably too much to ask for.

I mean $800 for a four layer sample with ivory keys is great, but when there is no bass and you can't hear the mellow and dolce piano sounds what good is it??

I am no longer reading and spec sheets- they are misleading.
A manufacturer may advertise a model as having 2 x# of watt speakers, but they should also mention if the amplifier has been eliminated to save costs and improve profit margins.

As far as I am concerned, Korg have an opportunity to be heros this year:

Come out with something with both Yamaha and Steinway samples, decent 12 watt x2 speakers, and steal a decent action if you have to.

Otherwise the Yamaha P165 will do.

Problem is any time a manufacturer gives you one upgrade, they take away two.

At least allow the piano to be heard well externally.
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