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#2005331 - 12/28/12 06:49 AM AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST?
music-P Offline
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I just feel a little bit sad today just because i found out that i am really a bad pianist. My dynamics are lousy and so is my tempo. No surprises and etc. I would just like to share these with you so that i can get any advice.

First of all, I started to touch the piano for about 2 yrs ago. And having a lesson twice a week and practicing for an hour a day. But I feel all that all of my investments on piano were just nothing because I feel that I am not worth to be a pianist.

After listening to my relatives' playing and some on youtube I felt that I have the worst performance; that I ain't really a good pianist.

I am just sharing this all because I wanted to pour out all of my fervor here!

I hope that all of you can help!

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#2005332 - 12/28/12 06:54 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
adultpianist Offline
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Originally Posted By: music-P
I just feel a little bit sad today just because i found out that i am really a bad pianist. My dynamics are lousy and so is my tempo. No surprises and etc. I would just like to share these with you so that i can get any advice.

First of all, I started to touch the piano for about 2 yrs ago. And having a lesson twice a week and practicing for an hour a day. But I feel all that all of my investments on piano were just nothing because I feel that I am not worth to be a pianist.

After listening to my relatives' playing and some on youtube I felt that I have the worst performance; that I ain't really a good pianist.

I am just sharing this all because I wanted to pour out all of my fervor here!

I hope that all of you can help!


What is the opinion of your piano teacher?

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#2005334 - 12/28/12 07:04 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
music-P Offline
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Registered: 05/22/12
Posts: 60
Loc: Philippines
Well I think all that she says is false, she says that I play fine but yet I that's business talk!

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#2005342 - 12/28/12 07:27 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Rostosky Offline
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Go back to utube right now, if you cant find a hundred people playing worse than you, then you havent looked properly.

No matter what you do in life there will allways be folk that are more advanced, but this is great, it gives you something to aim for, something to aspire to, something to work at.

just enjoy playing for playing sake, its not a competition anyways.

and stop moaning, its still christmas, i think the rule is you can only start moaning after jan 1st.
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#2005362 - 12/28/12 08:25 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
adultpianist Offline
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Posts: 540
Originally Posted By: music-P
Well I think all that she says is false, she says that I play fine but yet I that's business talk!


Why do you have such a low opinion of yourself? Even the best pianists were beginners once. Have faith!!

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#2005365 - 12/28/12 08:31 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
malkin Offline
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Registered: 04/18/09
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So what if you play badly?

Really, there's no crime in playing badly, especially if you are working to improve.
Take a break from your normal music and work on an easier piece until it is beautiful. Or play what you like.
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#2005367 - 12/28/12 08:38 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: adultpianist]
outo Offline
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Registered: 08/02/12
Posts: 721
Loc: Finland
Maybe you have the same problem as I had for some time...I was trying to sound like a recording. So when my teacher wanted me to make proper sound it sounded too loud in my ears. I also felt the dynamics sounded too harsh. Now I have realized that a live piano sound is different to what one is used to hearing on Ytube or records and stopped comparing.

Besides two years is not long. Only after the first year do I feel that I can make the piano sound reasonably good...and to learn to play the pieces takes a long time too for some of us. It's also about memory skills, some people just learn things like notes and fingerings much faster.

It is also possible to have a teacher that is too "nice". Have you talked to her seriously about this lack of faith and asked what are the things in your playing that she thinks are good and what are the things that need more work. That would maybe restore your faith in her...if not you might consider getting a new one.

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#2005383 - 12/28/12 09:18 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
justpin Offline
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And so what if they are better?

In the end the race is only with yourself and if you live by the yard stick of somebody else then you will never be happy.

So you get better, but Lang Lang and that 5 year old Hong Kong Chinese kid is better than you? Now what?

Heh you should see how bad I am, my timing only works when I concentrate and if it isn't on the stave or just above or below I often hit the wrong note.

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#2005391 - 12/28/12 09:39 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
kurtie Offline
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Registered: 07/06/10
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Originally Posted By: music-P
After listening to my relatives' playing and some on youtube I felt that I have the worst performance; that I ain't really a good pianist.


Do you enjoy playing piano? Yes? Then, play! Time and practice will make you a better pianist. We are not going to be the best pianists out there, but as long as I enjoy playing, I will keep doing it on a regular basis, and each day I enjoy it more... and being bad has a bright side: there is so much room for improvement! I am improving, at my pace, but improving steadily... surely, you are too.

2 years? That's nothing... hear yourself the next year and you will be amazed at what you will be playing. Nobody said it would be easy... but it is so rewarding.

Regards,
Kurt.-

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#2005395 - 12/28/12 09:56 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
joyoussong Offline
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Loc: Canada
Only 2 years? I've been playing for 4+, & it's only in the past few weeks that I've felt I can "really" play, sometimes, if it's a fairly simple piece, & the stars are properly aligned.

Piano playing is an activity that rarely brings instant success. A post somewhere on the boards here a while ago contained this quote:

"Music is peculiar... It takes fifteen years of hard work to find out whether or not you can play."

I think for piano, which is actually learning to play 2 lines of music at the same time with one brain, 15 years might be somewhat optimistic, at least in my case. OTOH, your playing overall is probably much better now than it was 2 years ago. If you keep at it, in 2 years it'll probably be (quite a lot) better than it is now. The only way you'll find out is to keep at it. And enjoy your successes along the way. You might want to check out the "Achievement of the week" thread, too.
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#2005398 - 12/28/12 10:04 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Michael_99 Offline
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Registered: 07/28/12
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Loc: Canada Alberta
The reason I purchased a piano and the reason I started playing the piano was because I love playing day after day the little tunes in book 1 of Fletcher piano book. The tunes are only 4 or 8 measures long. I play them slowly and very slowly, accurately and as beautifully as I can each day, 50 of them. I have never play them for anyone because I haven't had an oppornunity to do it. I certainly couldn't find the tunes on you tube played by anyone. Yesterday in the piano corner forum someone posted a help message about trying to play thirds. I clicked on the post and there was a reference to a video of
Schumann Toccata Richter plays Schumann - Toccata. I had never seen anything like that before. It was the fingers that moved not the hands. Unbelievable! The next thing that happened was it was 11:00 p.m. I was tired, but I was so moved by the video that I went to my living room. The house is 450 sq ft, and my 5 foot grand takes up half the livingroom so there are no chairs or funiture in the livingroom except my piano bench. I sat down as tired as I was, and played the best I could of about 50 tunes I play everyday. Just playing the piano is so awesome. The best that anyone can play is all that anyone can do. I listen to myself play and I know when I have paused too long on a note or I have played a note softer then the other notes in the phrase but that is why I play the tunes everyday because every chance I get to play the tunes, I have a chance to do just a little bit better than the last time. Of course, when I am tired like I was, I have to settle for second best because I should probably be sleeping, but I wanted to play the piano. I am working on Book 1 of John Thompson. It is a awesome book. I am slowly learning the tunes in that book and I enjoy it very, very, much. The tunes in John Thompsom are more difficult and rewarding, which is all good. The reason I still play the 50 tunes from the Fletch book is because I can play them easily so I can put emotion and expression in every note I play because I play them everyday. Yes, I play the John Thompson tunes everyday too, but I have only been playing them for 3 or 4 months so they are work of a different kind. Remember, it is the journey, your journey, that matters. Remmber, you have a piano. Some people wish they did. Some people have had a stroke and they can't like they used to. Think of the millions of pianos that sit silently year after year. Remember the hundred of people to come to this forum and say they used to play the piano and quit and they wished they hadn't quit. You don't have to wish anything, you simply have to sit down and play every day of the rest of your life which is awesome.

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#2005421 - 12/28/12 10:31 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
floydthebarber71 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/12
Posts: 178
Loc: South Africa
In the end, you need to just enjoy playing for yourself. It's just you and the music.

If you are not enjoying your sound and you have a teacher, ask her HOW to fix what you feel is wrong. No point moving forward like a headless chicken, imo. I don't think things will just come to you, maybe by luck, but you don't want to wait around for that.
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#2005426 - 12/28/12 10:34 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
FarmGirl Offline

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Registered: 09/14/10
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I regard anyone who has interest in classical music talented. Even more those folks discover the beauty and start playing an instrument. In this day and age, the world is filled with rap music and elevator music. Many people are content with music void of content, message and crimax (so-called relaxing music). My husband would call me a snob but I dare say "Ain't we special". You are doing fine. I know we all want to play better, it will happen. At least you can hear your rhythm is off, etc. That's really good. I did not even hear it when I started it. My childhood teacher had to make me count persistently until I get it. It helps for me to record and listen. I then fix where it's bad. Keep up with your good work. Don't give up. Progress comes in leaps and bounds. You may be very close to it.
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#2005441 - 12/28/12 10:58 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
adultpianist Offline
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I echo what others have said, however I do not agree that people who has an interest in classical music are talented. My mother has an interest in classical music, but she can only listen. She does not know when they are playing staccato, legato, forte, piano mf or pp.

She has no idea about time signature. She could not listen to a piece and identify what time siguature it is in, but thats ok because she gets enjoyment by just listening to the music.

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#2005466 - 12/28/12 11:27 AM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Emissary52 Offline
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Registered: 10/17/09
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Loc: Monroe, NC USA
music-p We all feel that way from time to time! I still think that I stink after three years, but the upside is ... I stink less than I used to. You have to think about "Do I really enjoy playing?" and if you do ...then keep on going. Very few of us are born with a great deal of talent, but we can overcome it by simply continuing to play. I often got discouraged watching those youtube videos of 6 year old kids that could play the same piece I was working on, so much better than I could. Well, it takes time, but now I can play better than they could. Of course, they probably have gotten better since then, but so what? So have I!

I play mostly classical pieces from the Masterwork Classics series, but every once in a while I step back and buy a book of music usually written by a guy who knows a lot of shortcuts to playing popular music, just to shake things up a bit.

You may be in a bit of a rut and doing something a little different may help break you out of it. You're lucky to have a piano teacher. She may be able to give you some music to re-stimulate your interest. Talk to her and let her know how you feel. Don't get too down on yourself! If playing a piano were that easy, everybody and their grandmother would be playing one. It's a lifelong adventure! smile
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#2005540 - 12/28/12 01:06 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Ragdoll Offline
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Aw, musicP You have received good advice here, I have said before in another thread that when I get discouraged or frustrated I get out my older books and remeber how hard they seemed when I first began to learn and I can see how I have progressed.

I have only had lessons once weekly for 2+ years as well and can agree with others that two or even sometimes three years is not very long in the big picture of learning piano, it's so much more than hitting the correct notes. Feel better soon and keep on as you were and you'll be fine. Do discuss this with your teacher too, that's part of their job to help you off those plateaus.
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#2005607 - 12/28/12 02:30 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
dmd Offline
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Registered: 04/15/09
Posts: 1894
Loc: Pennsylvania
You know, one thing about taking lessons is that you are constantly working on things you cannot play very well. This can serve to discourage you from time to time.

Be sure to take some time playing things that you CAN play and take comfort in playing them well.

Or take a break from lessons periodically and just play things you can play ... just for fun.

You must learn to enjoy this or you will not be able to keep doing it.
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#2005651 - 12/28/12 03:58 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: dmd]
griffin2417 Offline

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My teacher has been excellent with helping me remember that I should enjoy the journey, and not to be so hard on myself. I try to keep that in mind.

I also agree with the suggestions of taking a break, and play the things you know, and mess around with easier pieces just for fun!! This may sound strange, however, sometimes i get enjoyment just walking by my keyboard and I smile inside because i finally have the piano back in my life.

Sure, there is a lot of hard work involved. However, there should be enjoyment too. Otherwise, what's the point of doing it?
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#2005678 - 12/28/12 05:02 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
-Frycek Offline
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You're not bad, you're just inexperienced and have just now become pianistically sensitive and advanced enough to realize how much more you have to learn and how much better you could be. (Not bad progress for two years at the keyboard.) Now, lick your wounds a bit and then get back to it.
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#2005681 - 12/28/12 05:05 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
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Remember your brain has to learn LOTS of new neural pathways and all that trenching is hard work. For those of us with older brains it's like trenching through concrete so it takes more repetitions.
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#2005686 - 12/28/12 05:11 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
justpin Offline
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Secondly maybe you should talk to your teacher about it?

I wasn't enjoying trudging through the books my old teacher put me through.

Although I was learning a lot in hind sight.

I asked PW and they told me to bring some pieces I liked and to ask to be taught those pieces.

I was > < from giving up. I'm still here 3 months on.

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#2005692 - 12/28/12 05:17 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
JimF Offline
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You're just having a bout of Isuckitis, an affliction we all get from time to time.

Many adults come to piano thinking a couple of years of practicing an hour a day will lead to a certain level of proficiency. For myself, after two years I decided it was going to be five years before I "got there" (whereever that is). Now after three years I think its going to be closer to 10 years. But the "there" keeps changing as I acquire new skills and appreciation for how good really good piano players truly are. On day one I told my teacher I would be happy if I played a Chopin Nocturne before I died. Well, I'm not quite there yet but expect to be sooner or later. Even if I could play it now I wouldn't be happy unless I played to a standard that I did not begin to understand three years ago. And now Beethoven's Sonatas sound like an alluring target, or some Liszt, and some Rach, oh and some jazz improvisation, and, and....

It is a moving target and always will be. Just enjoy the ride.
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#2005710 - 12/28/12 06:02 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Mark... Offline
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I'm currently having a major case of Isuckitis...

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#2005730 - 12/28/12 06:52 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Gary001 Offline
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Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: music-P
My dynamics are lousy and so is my tempo.


If you can tell your dynamics and tempo is off, then you're ahead of the game. Knowing you're off is half the battle imo. Now you can just keep plugging away at working on it.

As others have suggested, go back to some of the first pieces you learned to play. They should be much easier to pick up the second time around and you can focus more on dynamics/tempo with them than fingering/which notes to play.

Above all, have fun with it. Record your playing and in a six months time record it again, then compare the two. You'll likely have improved without realising it.
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#2005777 - 12/28/12 08:56 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Khollins Offline
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Registered: 12/12/12
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Loc: GA, US
music-P as already pointed out most of us go through this phase. I maybe stating the obvious but try working through the piece with the metronome on to clean up the timing. This seems to result in pretty good results for me.

Khollins -
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#2005791 - 12/28/12 09:28 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Bane Offline
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I have been playing piano for about 8 years. But I could very likely be worse than some that played for 4 years. You have to be lenient with yourself during these learning years. Then once you improve, start perfecting your control of dynamics and the nuances of your performance.

For instance, many of the guitarists I know think that they're awesome, when they're really mediocre. You, on the other hand, are likely being a bit of a perfectionist, having a rather humble opinion of your abilities. Stick with it and you will improve, 2 yrs isn't a long time.
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#2006024 - 12/29/12 12:40 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: Michael_99]
Charles Cohen Offline
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Registered: 12/26/12
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Loc: Richmond, BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: Michael_99
. . Just playing the piano is so awesome. The best that anyone can play is all that anyone can do. . .


Everything else is commentary.

. Charles

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#2006057 - 12/29/12 02:26 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: floydthebarber71]
Bobpickle Offline

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Loc: Cameron Park, California
Originally Posted By: floydthebarber71
If you are not enjoying your sound and you have a teacher, ask her HOW to fix what you feel is wrong. No point moving forward like a headless chicken, imo. I don't think things will just come to you, maybe by luck, but you don't want to wait around for that.


I'd like to re-iterate this point. If your tempo is off, start proactively working to correct it with either the assistance of a metronome and/or by oral counting. Do this for any and all passages of any and all pieces you feel don't come out right rhythmically (or sound "right" so-to-speak). This needs to be done first at a speed that's slow enough that you can comfortably recognize each beat to properly play each rhythm - or in other words, a speed slow enough that you can make the rhythm sound perfect.

Specific aspects (problems) of your playing and of certain pieces won't just improve magically over time unless you're taking steps to purposefully improve them. This is true of anything in life. Instead of asking "why won't this get better" or "when will this get better," ask "what can I do to make x,y, and/or z better" of yourself and your teacher; if after 2 years time you don't feel your teacher gives you comprehensible answers or you don't feel comfortable broaching the topic, find a new teacher.

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#2006058 - 12/29/12 02:31 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
Scott Hamlin Offline
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Do you enjoy playing the piano?

If you truly do, just keep at it.

I would also try playing two or three pieces
REALLY well, rather than a dozen pieces just
so-so.

Just have fun and keep at it! smile
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#2006062 - 12/29/12 02:45 PM Re: AM I REALLY A BAD PIANIST? [Re: music-P]
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Off topic - I just went to the sonata thread and got a warning of MALWARE. Is something or somebody being hacked?

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