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#2005552 - 12/28/12 01:17 PM help with first dp..ty!
sonycrr Offline
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Registered: 07/28/12
Posts: 10
Loc: nyc
was about to get the casio px850 but having a change of mind.
now thinking of getting the kawai ce220.

is there any dp better than the kawai ce220 for under 2k?
most important thing is sound of grand piano and feel of keys to replicate a real piano.

thank you

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#2005705 - 12/28/12 05:59 PM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: sonycrr]
sonycrr Offline
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Loc: nyc
is the es7 better than the ce220?


i do not know much about digital pianos. frown

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#2005725 - 12/28/12 06:41 PM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: sonycrr]
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#2005903 - 12/29/12 06:41 AM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: sonycrr]
DBC Offline
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Why don't you look at the yamaha clavinova entry series they beat both the kawai and the casio,they have a better touch and sound too.


http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_clp430b.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_clp440r.htm


Edited by DBC (12/29/12 07:12 AM)

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#2005951 - 12/29/12 10:01 AM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: sonycrr]
Kawai James Online   content
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That's fighting talk!

Of course, touch and sound are highly subjective...

James
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#2005964 - 12/29/12 10:32 AM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: DBC]
jarosujo Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
Posts: 237
Loc: Slovakia
Originally Posted By: DBC
Why don't you look at the yamaha clavinova entry series they beat both the kawai and the casio,they have a better touch and sound too.


I prefer Kawai RH action in CL-36 (800€) over Yamaha clp440 (2000 €) action.
Sound wise, I like them both the same (even though they are quite different).
Added cheap Logitech 2.1 speakers (50 €) and for 850€ I have:
- better action (at least for me)
- similar sound quality (regarding samples and speakers)
compared to 2000€ clp440.

As Kawai James wrote, it is very subjective - we say "hundred people hundred tastes" in my country :-)


Edited by jarosujo (12/29/12 10:59 AM)
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#2005971 - 12/29/12 11:04 AM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: DBC]
dmd Offline
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Originally Posted By: DBC
Why don't you look at the yamaha clavinova entry series they beat both the kawai and the casio,they have a better touch and sound too.


I have owned both Yamaha and Kawai dps and I regard the playability (touch) of the Kawai dps higher than the Clavinovas.

As for sound, every model is a little different. I currently have a Kawai ES7 with what I consider a great sound. The Kawai CA63 I own ... not as much. If I remember correctly the Clavinova I owned seemed a little too bright for me, but not bad.

Of course, the final test is for you to play them and decide for yourself.
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#2005978 - 12/29/12 11:16 AM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: sonycrr]
Dave Horne Offline
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Registered: 07/07/04
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Originally Posted By: sonycrr
was about to get the casio px850 but having a change of mind.
now thinking of getting the kawai ce220.

is there any dp better than the kawai ce220 for under 2k?
most important thing is sound of grand piano and feel of keys to replicate a real piano.

thank you


Have you played the pianos in question?
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#2006025 - 12/29/12 12:41 PM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: sonycrr]
DBC Offline
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Registered: 05/09/11
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Loc: Romania
That's just my opinion sorry for being a little harsh,I like the GH3 touch and by the way sonycrr the sound is not so important as the touch trust me on this one and finally you should really go to a shop and play on them.

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#2006051 - 12/29/12 02:12 PM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: sonycrr]
MagicK Offline
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Registered: 11/20/12
Posts: 70
Loc: Germany
It's really highly subjective. I tested every kawai, Roland and Yamaha between 800 and 3000 euro and considered the cn 34 as the best for me. Probably because it felt closest to the upright of my teacher. And had the features I wanted.
Others like the gh3 or the Roland keys better. You have to test it, nobody in this forum can tell you what you like.

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#2006197 - 12/29/12 07:19 PM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: DBC]
Kawai James Online   content
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Registered: 09/06/07
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Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
Originally Posted By: DBC
That's just my opinion sorry for being a little harsh,I like the GH3 touch and by the way sonycrr the sound is not so important as the touch trust me on this one and finally you should really go to a shop and play on them.


I agree wholeheartedly.

Which Kawai models did you test, by the way?
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#2006445 - 12/30/12 09:23 AM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: MagicK]
Morodiene Offline
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Originally Posted By: MagicK
It's really highly subjective. I tested every kawai, Roland and Yamaha between 800 and 3000 euro and considered the cn 34 as the best for me. Probably because it felt closest to the upright of my teacher. And had the features I wanted.
Others like the gh3 or the Roland keys better. You have to test it, nobody in this forum can tell you what you like.


I agree. Touch is a personal preference, and so only you can judge that. Now if you're asking which has the most features, or if there are particular features that you're looking for and wanting to know which model fits that best, that's a much easier question to answer. Go and play a lot of different DPs before deciding.
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#2007553 - 01/01/13 04:18 PM Re: help with first dp..ty! [Re: sonycrr]
sonycrr Offline
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Registered: 07/28/12
Posts: 10
Loc: nyc
thanks for all the replies smile

ive been playing on an upright for the last 2 years and im moving soon and dont want to take the upright with me.

the only digital pianos ive ever tested were a casio px350, yamaha YDP141, and a yamaha YDP-V240. the testing was very brief and I do not think i have the skill level to know which one would be good for long term progression. i did purchase the yamaha YDP-V240, but then I called tim from the az piano web site and he indicated the casio px850 would be a better buy at which point i canceled my yamaha dp order but then I read some comments on this forum to make me think otherwise of tim's comments.

ive been basically researching online and hoping to find one based on other people's reviews.

with that being written, i did locate a piano dealer that did carry kawai models and i will get over there soon but i fear that i will not be able to discern which one would be better.

ive been seeing a lot of threads with the es7 and ca65 coming up and will probably get one of those based on the reviews that i have been reading.

thanks again!

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