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#2008338 - 01/03/13 03:48 AM Some problems concerning my FP7F
wading Offline
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Registered: 01/02/13
Posts: 2
Hello everyone. I have just started learning the piano. Due to the size of my compartment, I can only purchase a DP like FP7F for learning the piano but I have a couple of questions to ask.

1. The feeling of the keyboard is good, but it is a bit light when I compare to that of my piano teacher's upright piano. I am afraid I will develop bad finger skills and I may not get used to the touching of the grand piano during the exam. Does anyone knows how to adjust the settings inside FP7F so that it can be as realistic as possible when comparing to the acoustic piano? As a beginner, I only know how to adjust the "Key touch" but not other items. My setting is "Medium +8".

2. I am now learning how to use the damper pedal. But the feeling of stepping onto my piano teacher's upright piano's damper pedal is different from that of my DP-10 pedal. Therefore sometimes I cannot step onto and release the pedal
naturally. How is the feeling of the damper pedal in RPU-3 triple pedal? Is it better than DP-10 or just the same ? Should I buy RPU-3 to replace my DP-10?

Thx everyone.

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#2008350 - 01/03/13 04:58 AM Re: Some problems concerning my FP7F [Re: wading]
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The key touch settings will adjust the tone response to the velocity of the key press. There is no adjustment that can be made that will affect the physical weight of the key. You will have to experiment further with the key touch setting, maybe 'heavy' +.

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#2008362 - 01/03/13 05:32 AM Re: Some problems concerning my FP7F [Re: wading]
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Registered: 12/24/12
Posts: 304
Loc: Valencia, Spain
If the upright where you practice is on the heavy side...forgett about finding a similar DP. The all tend to imitate grands, not uprights. Anyway, you will need to be able to feel comfortable with any piano you play. Acoustics are not all the same, too.
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#2008402 - 01/03/13 08:07 AM Re: Some problems concerning my FP7F [Re: wading]
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You will not be able to make your piano be the same as your teacher's upright. As a previous poster said, you can adjust the setting to heavy, but it still won't be the same. This is something that every pianist has to learn to deal with - you have to be able to adjust your playing according to the instrument you're playing on at the moment. Your teacher understands this and knows that when every student comes in they are playing on a piano that is not like the one they practice on. I'm sure they take that into consideration when they hear you play and can tell when you're uncomfortable due to the piano feel and not because you didn't practice. smile

The same goes for the pedal, I would not try replacing it as long as it works. You may ask your teacher for advice on what adjustments you need to make because it does feel and sound different. The biggest thing is to use your ears when you are playing, and try to adjust the pedaling so it still sounds the same - not too muddy and not too dry. Pedaling should always be done with listening at the forefront rather than feel.
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#2008422 - 01/03/13 08:56 AM Re: Some problems concerning my FP7F [Re: wading]
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Registered: 03/12/12
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If you are looking for "heavy" action, try Yamaha GH action. Model P-155 for example.
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#2008475 - 01/03/13 11:00 AM Re: Some problems concerning my FP7F [Re: wading]
ap55 Offline
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Registered: 10/03/12
Posts: 79
Loc: Germany, Bremen
There are three things for the keys:
(1) fp7f action is a PHAIII action, which is the top level action of Roland, this action is towards a grand piano action, but nevertheless fails to return sufficiently the feeling of a modern grand piano action. Someone who has different experience may correct me, I only used to play on a couple of acoustic grand pianos, may be there are some acoustic grands having a similar action feeling like the PHAIII.
(2) If you worry to adopted wrong techniques as a beginner w.r.t the exercises on an digital piano, I agree, this can be a justified problem. In this case you can exclude Roland pianos with PHAIII action, it is quite different to an acoustic grand and upright piano actions. You will not be able to tune it by some electronic settings. Nevertheless the PHAIII is an excellent action w.r.t. other features.
(3) there is also a difference between acoustic upright and acoustic grand piano action. If you like a similar feeling close to an upright, you should go to a hybrid piano. The only one I know is the Yamaha NU1, providing an upright action in a digital piano. But this piano is more expensive.

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#2008498 - 01/03/13 12:01 PM Re: Some problems concerning my FP7F [Re: wading]
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Registered: 12/09/11
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Loc: Thunder Bay, On Canada
I can't answer much on here except for the RPU-3 pedal. I bought mine within a month or two after getting my board. It is closer to an acoustic. It has the same shape of pedals, same spacing and height and feels similar in weight.

I think it's a better option (plus you get a sustaino pedal!) I don't think it's the same as an acoustic but it's a close second. YMMV
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#2008510 - 01/03/13 12:25 PM Re: Some problems concerning my FP7F [Re: wading]
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Registered: 10/14/10
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Originally Posted By: wading
Hello everyone. I have just started learning the piano. Due to the size of my compartment, I can only purchase a DP like FP7F for learning the piano but I have a couple of questions to ask.

1. The feeling of the keyboard is good, but it is a bit light when I compare to that of my piano teacher's upright piano. I am afraid I will develop bad finger skills and I may not get used to the touching of the grand piano during the exam. Does anyone knows how to adjust the settings inside FP7F so that it can be as realistic as possible when comparing to the acoustic piano? As a beginner, I only know how to adjust the "Key touch" but not other items. My setting is "Medium +8".



As a pianist, it's never too early to learn to adapt to different pianos - acoustics vary in their key action and feel quite a lot, even within the same model (I've played three different Steinway D concert grands in the same showroom which felt different to each other - they were prepped for different pianists' preferences). Assuming the FP7F has the same action as my V-Piano's (PHA-III), I found the action almost indistinguishable from that of a 7-foot Grotrian grand I played in a showroom once, which was quite different that of the 7-foot Shigeru Kawai grand that was beside it.

I learnt piano on Yamaha uprights, and it was a bit of a shock when I turned up for an exam once (as a teenager) and found myself faced with a 6-foot Bl├╝thner grand which felt so alien in its key action. It was my first encounter with a grand, and it was an important exam....
My last teacher had two grands, one of which was far heavier than the other. He insisted that during our lessons, I should spend the first half on one and the second half on the other, even though I much preferred the lighter one (I was practising on the university's Yamaha uprights then), and thought I played better on it. It all stood me in good stead for the future - I never have any problems adapting to any keyboard ever since (and I've played on a lot of acoustic pianos of all sizes and conditions as well as DPs).

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#2009366 - 01/05/13 09:47 AM Re: Some problems concerning my FP7F [Re: wading]
wading Offline
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Registered: 01/02/13
Posts: 2
thx for everyone 3hearts

All of the comments have encouraged me and provided me with a lot of useful ideas,so thanks for all of the comments.

I will practise hard because i love music heart

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