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#2009335 - 01/05/13 08:38 AM In need of a change already - help! pleaseeee!
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Registered: 10/13/12
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So guys, recently bought my own first piano, a yamaha c109. Playing it in the shop, it was a good price and I liked it. However, getting it home, sounds totally different, waited the 8 weeks before tuning but still I don't like it anymore. It is very difficult to play legato on it due to it being so small.

Went into a shop yesterday, and the guy said that I would have that problem on that piano because the keys are very short. He suggested that I try a Yamaha T118 and the Yamaha P22. Both of these I really liked, They had longer keys, a much softer touch but I wanted to know if anyone has these pianos or what do they think. I obviously want a steinway upright, but unless anyone wants to contribute to the 'Help Ju5t1n-h buy a steinway foundation' then its not going to happen.

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#2009384 - 01/05/13 10:44 AM Re: In need of a change already - help! pleaseeee! [Re: ju5t1n-h]
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Well, ju5t1n-h, I don't see that you really have a problem (except that the piano you like may be more expensive than the piano you have). It's not unusual that a piano will seem fine in the store, yet not be acceptable in the home. They are willing to exchange it. You have already been very patient, and have given the c109 a good opportunity.

I would only suggest that you give your candidates a really good try-out in the store (play each for at least an hour, preferably on more than one day) before you make a final decision. As long as you take the convenience of the store into consideration, I don't see why they would mind. Keep in mind that the acoustics of the shop are bound to be different than those in the home music room--- this is always hard to allow for.

My only reservation is that your complaint is not about the piano's sound, but is about the difficulty of legato playing. This is normally a matter of the pianist's skill and not so much about the instrument, unless the action or voicing is really uneven. Well, sometimes they do get delivered in that condition. Even then, a skillful player can get a pretty good legato out of most pianos, no matter how vile the regulation, and a good tech can even it out for you. But, a better piano, better prepped, will be easier to play. You might ask about the prep, and even do some look-ups on this forum (there have been very long and detailed discussions). And, if you really like the piano in the store, note down the serial number, ask that that specific piano be delivered to you, and check the serial before you accept delivery. You should also be sure that its serial number is on the invoice and other paperwork. Just a little insurance. Sometimes the pianos on the floor get more attention than seemingly-identical units freshly out of the shipping container.
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#2009677 - 01/05/13 07:58 PM Re: In need of a change already - help! pleaseeee! [Re: ju5t1n-h]
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thanks Jeff. I will keep going with this one for probably another 6 months or so, I think I bought this one in september so not very old. I got it second hand as well from Tom Lee and I did make sure it was the same one that I played in store, where I liked the feel of it.

I'm not sure that my legato playing or the regulation is the fault, I really think as the piano salesman said, the keys are short and because of that it has single felt hammers that are made very solid so that this little piano can still hit a powerful sound. When the technician tuned the piano, he tested the regulation and said that it was fine and working correctly. I think I just want a softer touch so I don't have to put in sooo much effort to play a nice chopin nocturne!
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#2009679 - 01/05/13 08:04 PM Re: In need of a change already - help! pleaseeee! [Re: ju5t1n-h]
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How are acoustics in your room? How large is the room, is there carpeting, is the piano up against the wall? If there is carpeting you may be working harder than you need to. Also, are you opening the lid for the sound to come out? I'm trying to figure out what you mean by not being able to play legato on it - I assume you were able to in the store? So unless it was damaged (and your tech says it's in good working order so that's ruled out), it must be the room.
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#2009715 - 01/05/13 08:57 PM Re: In need of a change already - help! pleaseeee! [Re: ju5t1n-h]
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Originally Posted By: ju5t1n-h
thanks Jeff. I will keep going with this one for probably another 6 months or so, I think I bought this one in september so not very old. I got it second hand as well from Tom Lee and I did make sure it was the same one that I played in store, where I liked the feel of it.

I'm not sure that my legato playing or the regulation is the fault, I really think as the piano salesman said, the keys are short and because of that it has single felt hammers that are made very solid so that this little piano can still hit a powerful sound. When the technician tuned the piano, he tested the regulation and said that it was fine and working correctly. I think I just want a softer touch so I don't have to put in sooo much effort to play a nice chopin nocturne!
You may want to get some help if you decide to purchase another piano. I think the salesman gave you some incorrect information. As far as I know the length of the keys has little or nothing to do with playing legato although longer keys make it easier control dynamics. I have never heard of single felt hammers.

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#2010204 - 01/06/13 07:31 PM Re: In need of a change already - help! pleaseeee! [Re: ju5t1n-h]
ju5t1n-h Offline
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Yeah i think you guys are right. I'm going to do more research this time when i buy, and play a lot longer. When I bought this one I tried out plenty enough pianos but only played a small amount on each. The acoustics in the room are what they are, small apartment of 600sqft and its in the living room so probably not great for acoustic. Carpet on the floor, and its against a wall yes, also I keep the lid down when playing.
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#2010470 - 01/07/13 08:29 AM Re: In need of a change already - help! pleaseeee! [Re: ju5t1n-h]
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You can try moving it out from the wall a little - even at a slight angle to see if that improves the sound. If it's against a side wall, moving away from the side wall will change the sound too.
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#2010496 - 01/07/13 09:30 AM Re: In need of a change already - help! pleaseeee! [Re: ju5t1n-h]
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Also, if you can do anything about the carpeting that will help too. Wood, of course, is very complementary to pianos (tile tends to be harsh). But I know sometimes you are limited if you are renting.
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