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#2010419 - 01/07/13 06:03 AM Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off?
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I’m curious about this, and perhaps more so in the light of the various and frequent digital vs acoustic threads since it has a bearing on how ‘realistic’ we want our sound to be. I’ve been in the habit of using reverb at a medium to low setting because, frankly, it flatters my playing while providing the delusion of being in a larger room. Just lately though I’ve decided to switch it off for practice sessions in order to gain what I think might be a more critical hearing of what I’m doing.

So, what do you do? Is the reverb on all the time/sometimes/never?

For those happy to report, I think it might be interesting* also if they could mention which DP it is they’re using, after all it may be that some digitals need a splash of dazz to sound decent.

*..unless we’re ALL using reverb.

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#2010423 - 01/07/13 06:14 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Reverb on, every time.
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#2010424 - 01/07/13 06:16 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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I can't listen to a dry piano ..... Always on here
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#2010425 - 01/07/13 06:17 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Always on.

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#2010426 - 01/07/13 06:23 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Well, this is only a personal opinion but I think that all makes put reverb on by default to camouflate the lack of natural resonance DP's have. Said that, I can't play on my PX-135 with the reverb off. It sounds so lifeless... But with my Roland I play without reverb whem playing with speakers (Supernatural has a nice resonance pack) but I can't stand it with headphones. I always put reverb on while playing on headphones.

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#2010427 - 01/07/13 06:24 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Always on, although I like lower settings (than default) better. Apart from changing reverb type (room/small hall, ...) there is "depth" and "time" setting - I usually lower one or both but so far I can't exactly decide which one I like lowered more. Maybe I can't hear the difference very well.
For pieces with a lot of stacatto I may even change the overall reverb type to "lower" (small hall to room etc.).

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#2010428 - 01/07/13 06:26 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: CarloPiano]
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Originally Posted By: CarloPiano
... But with my Roland I play without reverb whem playing with speakers (Supernatural has a nice resonance pack) but I can't stand it with headphones. I always put reverb on while playing on headphones.


Isn't it actually the real reverb of the environment than, rather than simulated resonance?

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#2010433 - 01/07/13 06:40 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Always on. Subtle "room" types for me - not halls, stages or blooming cathedrals!

Currently using Nord Piano sounds.
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#2010442 - 01/07/13 07:00 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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On my Nord Stage 2, I like to play with lots of different reverb settings. I have it on about 50% of the time. It's easy to change (just select the type with a button and dial in the variation with the knob). On my Yamaha P250, it's more of a pain to change, have to navigate through the reverb menu on the little screen, so I generally don't mess with it as much.

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#2010449 - 01/07/13 07:18 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: fizikisto]
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Always Reverb ON, medium (default) setting.
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#2010456 - 01/07/13 07:31 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Always on, on every DP I own. At low levels though - in order to keep a staccato dry enough, and rapidly changing chords clean enough.

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#2010464 - 01/07/13 08:06 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: maurus]
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Kawai ES7. Early days. Started with no reverb and was happy with the sound. Now experimenting with reverb. Will probably use it more often than not: lounge (2nd level above room) with time at the default of 5 and depth at 7. But still experimenting. Interestingly, being a died in the wool AP person, a touch of reverb seems to bring it a bit closer to an AP in terms of fuller tone.

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#2010465 - 01/07/13 08:07 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: Hookxs]
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Originally Posted By: Hookxs
Isn't it actually the real reverb of the environment than, rather than simulated resonance?


Well, it may be a mixture of both and it may, indeed, explain why I hate playing with headphones without reverb. While on speakers I like to play with reverb off because I like to listen the real reverberation, even a poor one like in my room, not being fooled by a fake one.

But talking about resonance simulation, high end DP's simulates some overtones and harmonics that entry level doesn't. They aren't marvelous nor perfect, specially when been compared with the real thing, but they aren't bad. On the contrary, the PX-135 only simulates damper resonance so the sound is extremely poor so even playing with speakers (BTW, they are not very good ones) the reverb is always on in order to mitigate the lack of resonance/harmonics. Am I unhappy with my PX-135? Absolutely not! It's a wonderful instrument for it's size and I can carry it almost anywhere grin

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#2010475 - 01/07/13 08:41 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Hi,

Although I agree with the previous posters that some reverb helps give the piano sound some life, I have to say that I often find myself playing with the onboard reverb off for the simple reason I don't like the quality of the reverb itself. In my opinion it has a very electronic character, to the point that it spoils the realism of the well-sampled piano samples.

I do understand the technical choice of recording dry piano samples in an anechoic chamber, to be able to simulate any playing setting by digital reverb technology, but the risk of this choice is that the reverb itself is not good enough to provide a convincing result.

Please note that my piano (a Yamaha CLP-970) is about 10 yrs old, so it might be that more recent piano models exhibit significantly better onboard reverb quality: can anybody confirm/disconfirm this?

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#2010480 - 01/07/13 08:58 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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The V-Piano has no reverb button, but you can adjust all the various resonances (string, soundboard, cross-) from -100 to +100, plus there's an 'ambience' dial. I set the latter to the mid-point. But on the presets, the V Concert settings give a slightly more distant sound with some ambience anyway, which is my favored one (i.e. which my preferred customizations are based on) as the sound is like playing in a medium-sized concert hall. The 'V Studio' presets give a 'close' sound, which I don't much like, though I imagine jazz pianists would prefer it.

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#2010483 - 01/07/13 09:03 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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#2010484 - 01/07/13 09:06 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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#2010486 - 01/07/13 09:09 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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On my Roland HP-505 with headphones I keep the reverb off, there is enough going on having the string, cabinet and damper resonance, the keyoff, etc. -parameters well adjusted. But with the speaker system I add some subtle reverb with value between 1 and 3 (min 0 - 10 max would be possible) to it (and also increase brilliance to the max, while having brilliance with headphones at the neutral (default) value), because it supports me in my impression that the room is becoming more smoothly flooded by sound and sound is not as direct coming out from the furniture. Going to higher reverbs tends to blur to much.

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#2010505 - 01/07/13 09:43 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Always off. Sounds more natural to me that way. Now that I have read this thread, though, I will almost certainly give a listen to the reverb settings next time I play. Celviano 620.
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#2010508 - 01/07/13 09:54 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: Paolo70]
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Paolo70,"Please note that my piano (a Yamaha CLP-970) is about 10 yrs old, so it might be that more recent piano models exhibit significantly better onboard reverb quality: can anybody confirm/disconfirm this?"

I had a Yam. 820, which`d be 15yo. The sound was stereo and spacious possibly due in part at least, to the reverb. But certain notes rang out unpleasantly meaning I had to limit it.

My current squeeze is much cheaper, but better in that respect and others. I use loads o` reverb, Hall 2. It sounds like a Dusseldorfer . . . .
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#2010509 - 01/07/13 09:56 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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I'm a huge reverb fiend, ambient music couldn't exist without it.

But turning up the resonances on our Roland SuperNATURAL RD-700NX sounds much better to me than the perhaps too simplistic reverb algorithm in there.

IMO reverb is a band-aid in most DPs.
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#2010522 - 01/07/13 10:31 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
IMO reverb is a band-aid in most DPs.


I can vouch for that! I’m using an ancient kawai ES1 (must be the first in this line unless they made an ES0 or ES minus 1), long in the tooth and hopelessly short on sustain so reverb does help. But it also looks like even the higher-end instruments are preferred with a little stardust – reverb for most of us, something more esoteric for the modelled instruments and then there are the speaker/amp/EQ possibilities.

It looks like we don’t really want ‘realism’ – whatever that might be - but something beyond it.

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#2010533 - 01/07/13 11:01 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dewster]
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As I observed In this topic this kind of processing (reverb, spatialiser) can be very beneficial especially with sampled intruments sampled with a special mic perspective without blending. It is IMHO why layering also would often perceived as a remedy against some not satisfactorily descrcribed shortcomings of DPs.
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#2010536 - 01/07/13 11:15 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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On, but turned way down.

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#2010559 - 01/07/13 12:02 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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On. Adjusted to taste.
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#2010563 - 01/07/13 12:17 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: gvfarns]
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Originally Posted By: gvfarns
On, but turned way down.

Yup, me too.

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#2010572 - 01/07/13 12:38 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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I think most onboard reverbs aren't that great, which is part of the problem.

Check out the Blue Sky reverb from Strymon. It sounds great and takes stereo line level. I'm using it with my VV64 but I trie it with the Jupiter an it sounded excellent.
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#2010574 - 01/07/13 12:43 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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My reverb is always on and set to level 5 (out of 10).

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#2010608 - 01/07/13 01:41 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Always on.

With my Clav the reverb is almost pointless. It's not bad sounding. It's just inadequate.

But I now use piano libraries exclusively. They all have reverb, and I used it.

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#2010614 - 01/07/13 01:59 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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One of the most annoying things with the Roland RD 700NX (there are many) is that reverb AND chorus are pre-programmed to be on when you switch the electrical piano impersonating device on.

When I want them on, I will switch them on, thank you, Roland.

I have found the answer, I hate the falseness of both effects and have set the rotary potentiometer (another thing I hate) to it's "off", or "minimum" setting.

I hate reverb, and chorus, it is these sort of effects than make proper real piano players look down their noses at electric machine operators, IMO.

So.. OFF, OFF, OFF!

Oh, I do hope that isn't too emotive......

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#2010617 - 01/07/13 02:01 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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To Your original Question: now always ON.
Previously I had definitely performance problems and more latency with my Kontakt instruments, but since K4.2 there is a zero-latency option, which You can use for the cost of higher CPU load . (I think the Galaxies 1.2 use this as default setting).

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#2010673 - 01/07/13 03:58 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: gvfarns]
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For the Concert Grand, at its lowest setting without being turned off.
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#2010675 - 01/07/13 04:01 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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I always turn it off. I think that reverb put a 'mask' on how I play. I turn it off.
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#2010688 - 01/07/13 04:26 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: Pedro_Henrique]
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I prefer reverb off with dual piano sound in my Kawai CA93. With high volume it sounds very well.

Reverb is artifitial and, as somebody has said, masks your playing.
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#2010858 - 01/07/13 09:28 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Always off for me. It's the first thing I do after turning on my FP-7F - my fingers have better muscle memory for that than for actual playing smile

I don't particularly like the sound of the reverb. It sounds artificial to me in headphones, and even if it sounded more natural I think it would still sound weird when playing through speakers because it wouldn't sound like the natural acoustics of the room.

But that's not the primary reason for me. I prefer to hear a clearer, cleaner sound when practicing.
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#2010910 - 01/07/13 11:00 PM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Love my reverb. I use it all the time with my CP33. Love reverb so much, I pick up my outboard effects processor tomorrow. A TC Electronic M300.

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#2010957 - 01/08/13 02:15 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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It depends on the situation whether or not I use reverb. I mostly play in a band setting so I usually turn the reverb off as it makes the piano sound too muddy and indistinguishable in the mix.

However, if I am playing solo piano, or a song has some type of single note octave piano lead I will use reverb at a medium setting on whatever keyboard I use. Actually, in the latter situation I will probably turn the reverb to max and add some delay, almost like a guitarist would during a solo.

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#2010964 - 01/08/13 03:00 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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#2010968 - 01/08/13 03:21 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Until yesterday, reverb off forever. I like dry pianos because, to my ears, they lose their little realism as soon as reverb is switched on. But often, dry means thin, too. Then, last night I set reverb to low depht and duration and I found it less unpleasant. Anyway, I don`t like it very much, for me sounds too "electronic", especially with headphones. Hope I'd be able to manage it to get a fatter sound.

P.S.:...and back to perception, I'm not too old (wich has a large influence in how high frequencies are perceived), and my ear is very sensitive (more than average).
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#2010987 - 01/08/13 04:15 AM Re: Your digital piano: is the reverb on or off? [Re: dire tonic]
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Always off when generating sound on my old Technics - 90's model; reverb unnatural and unconvincing.

Always on when using Ivory II to generate sound (played back through the Technics 6 speaker 2 x 50w config). Sympathetic resonance, Damper Resonance and Ambience all pleasant and sound natural.

I sometimes wonder if DP technology has really moved on, but when I think about it from this perspective it's clear to me that it has.

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