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#1973988 - 10/16/12 09:16 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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- have we run out of the Andantes yet?

I might have a crack at 38-6 if it's still going...

(if I come unstuck, perhaps I can trade it?)

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#1973996 - 10/16/12 10:02 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Andy Platt]
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Originally Posted By: Andy Platt
I would have to work on one with my teacher as one of my assigned pieces because they are all too much for me just to "pick up on the side." And I can't see that happening in the next few months so I'll have to sit this out.


+1. Ditto! I'm already committed to working on some pieces with my teacher at this level. I am putting in a lot of time to those, and can't squeeze more in for such a short period of time.

I'm enjoying listening to the pieces Rossy posted, however! They're beautiful, and I'm looking forward to hearing the recital! smile



Edited by griffin2417 (10/16/12 10:04 AM)
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#1974008 - 10/16/12 10:43 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne33yrs -- sorry, you probably missed my second (third?) post where i changed my mind. I'll take op. 102, No. 4. smile.

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#1974046 - 10/16/12 12:05 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major
No. 4 Moderato in A major
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - AimeeO

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - Wayne33yrs

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

Did I miss a post by AimeeO? Dire tonic, there's still loads left, but SamS has taken 38 - 6, I haven't even had time to pick one yet smile Better get my skates on!

Rossy, do you have the book in PDF?


Edited by wayne33yrs (10/17/12 12:22 PM)

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#1974058 - 10/16/12 12:19 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wayne, Here (go down to see her post) is AimeeO's post where she decided to "dust off" op. 19 no. 6 laugh

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#1974060 - 10/16/12 12:22 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Ah I see, thnx Rupak smile

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#1974062 - 10/16/12 12:24 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wow, Rupak, you have an impressive memory. You're right; Op 19 No 6 is for Aimee.
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#1974063 - 10/16/12 12:26 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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op 67 no1 Wayne, not op 62.

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#1974064 - 10/16/12 12:27 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: timmyab]
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ah, 38-6 was already taken... back to the drawing board...

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#1974065 - 10/16/12 12:28 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Fixed, you guy's will have to keep an eye on me lol, things are going fast and furious, I can only just keep up wink

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#1974175 - 10/16/12 05:12 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Like I said in the other thread, I might choose another one if we have more time (like late Marchish/Aprilish.) February is bad for me to have new things ready.

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#1974181 - 10/16/12 05:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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We can choose more than one?

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#1974207 - 10/16/12 06:13 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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That I don't know, Lady Chen. I meant to say I would give up 19-6 in favor of something scary and unknown to me if the deadline was a month or so after the middle of February smile

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#1974222 - 10/16/12 06:54 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: LadyChen]
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Originally Posted By: LadyChen
We can choose more than one?


will get back to you on that lol smile

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#1974228 - 10/16/12 07:09 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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consider the deadline extended AimeeO xxx

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#1974420 - 10/17/12 06:33 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I'll go for 85-2

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#1974511 - 10/17/12 11:54 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Rostosky]
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Originally Posted By: Rostosky

This is different from the "usual" abf recitals, for a few reasons, one of them being in the "regular" abf recitals folk choose anything they want to play, this is very different, it is themed ...

BUT, that is a shared workload and everyone helps each other be it through Pms on technical advice or just support through the thread.

What do we achieve? Many things not least is a greater knowledge of the scores, through shared study and help, but also a deeper understanding of where the particular composer is "coming from" furthering our understanding and knowledge of that composer.


Question: Is this the thread for this dialogue? I understand we are still early on in the sign up, but I'm already working on my piece and already have questions. Plus, I am interested in the challenges that other participants may be having and of better understanding of their pieces as well.

What you said, Rossy about understanding more about the composer and these compositions (not just the one of immediate focus) is appealing to me in progressing my understanding and learning overall. Who knows, may even decide to learn others as well through a better appreciation of same.

So, are you ready for my questions, and is this the place you want them? They are likely pretty lame, but as above, also interested about insight and challenges that may arise, with other participants and compositions in this thread.

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#1974523 - 10/17/12 12:23 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Dire tonic - added, thnx smile

Greener, I'd fire away wink

Has everyone got the complete book?

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#1974540 - 10/17/12 12:42 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener

Question: Is this the thread for this dialogue?


I would say yes, put the questions here. I don't read the "RST serious" thread often (or at all...).

Sam

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#1974550 - 10/17/12 01:04 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Definitely you can discuss the piece your working on here. smile If you look at our other Themed Recital threads, we use them for encouragement and questions. smile
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#1974641 - 10/17/12 03:39 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Ok, I need help already lol.....

Trills, I've never played 'em, and I've picked Op.30 No.6 with Trills in it. (why do I do this lol)

In the score, it just shows ONE note with the trill line above it. Do I use the note below or above? A full note below/above or half?

Your help would be much appreciated. smile


Edited by wayne33yrs (10/17/12 03:55 PM)

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#1974657 - 10/17/12 03:51 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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In MM32-34 the trill is D and C. It's a full tone above.
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#1974665 - 10/17/12 03:57 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
Ok, I need help already lol.....

Trills, I've never played 'em, and I've picked Op.30 No.6 with Trills in it. (why do I do this lol)

In the score, it just shows ONE note with the trill line above it. Do I us the note below or above? A full note below/above or half?

Your help would be much appreciated. smile


Trills were just changing around the time Mendellsohn was composing from always starting on the note above the main note to starting on the main note; but they are always with the note and the one above in the given scale unless indicated with an accidental. Listen to some recordings and see what you like. Both are acceptable.
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#1974668 - 10/17/12 03:58 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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Originally Posted By: zrtf90
In MM32-34 the trill is D and C. It's a full tone above.



Barenboim plays a semitone up for both trills....

(op 30 - 6, first trill @ 1.12)

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#1974682 - 10/17/12 04:13 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Oops! Actually it's three sharps, so it would be D, C sharp.

Sorry.
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#1974713 - 10/17/12 04:55 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Op 102 No. 6

Couple of questions about the score;

In several places I see a '.' below or above the eighth notes. Does this mean to play staccato? That is what I thought. But, when I listen to a recording, it only sounds staccato in one instance and not others. So, not sure what is up with that.

Also, just so I am straight on these ...

Funky f = Forte

Funky p = Piano

mF = moderate forte ?

sF = ???

dim., dimin. = Diminuendo

cresc. = Crescendo

That's all for now. Of course I can google all of this, but would rather ask here and have all answers in repository.




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#1974738 - 10/17/12 05:36 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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F = Forte, loud
P = piano, soft
mF = mezzo forte, medium
sF = sforzando, sudden and sharp loud for that chord/note

dim and cresc. you have.

The staccato dots under a slur in M2 are a soft rather sharp staccato.
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#1974740 - 10/17/12 05:40 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener
Op 102 No. 6

Couple of questions about the score;

In several places I see a '.' below or above the eighth notes. Does this mean to play staccato? That is what I thought. But, when I listen to a recording, it only sounds staccato in one instance and not others. So, not sure what is up with that.

Also, just so I am straight on these ...

Funky f = Forte

Funky p = Piano

mF = moderate forte ?

sF = ???

dim., dimin. = Diminuendo

cresc. = Crescendo

That's all for now. Of course I can google all of this, but would rather ask here and have all answers in repository.



It's all as you've listed. mf is mezzo forte but means moderate, as you have it, between p and f.

sf = sforzando = accented.

Yes, the dots above and below indicate stacatto but, depending on the piece, there's sometimes license to do your own thing. Where possible, check out the various maestros to see how they compare, sometimes there'll be wide variation.

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#1974745 - 10/17/12 05:45 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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How do you figure out the difference between a soft and a sharp stacatto?
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#1974758 - 10/17/12 05:59 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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thanks.

So, if staccato dots are under a slur it always means soft rather than sharp staccato?

I have plenty of staccato to deal with in this piece, so just want to make sure I fully understand and know how to treat them.

M6, M7, M10, M12-14, M16, M19-24, M26-27, M29-31

Also, now that you mention it, what is the purpose of a slur notation? Should I be able to hear a difference of the same eighth notes with slur vs. without? Could this help me with with pedal indications? I doubt it, since the slurs are often independent in bass and treble clef.
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