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#2011734 - 01/09/13 02:27 PM
programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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How often you encounter a pianist reciting a program where the pieces are, either by accident or not, harmonically linked? Maybe 'harmonically linked' isn't the right term. As in... the key of each piece makes for smooth transitions between them, and the ear very much enjoys it. Have you ever tried to put together a program like this?
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#2011754 - 01/09/13 03:14 PM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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It seems to me that there are many ways that a pianist could conceive this type of program : - circle of fifths - circle of fourths - major/minor/major (C major/A minor; A/major/F-sharp minor; F-sharp major/E-flat minor, etc., - chromatically, ascending or descending
but it all sounds pretty artificial and contrived unless there were some other more unifying thread in the program. Otherwise, I would have to ask : why?
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#2011862 - 01/09/13 07:09 PM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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Rather than 'harmonically linked', I would suggest looking at the tempo of the pieces. Playing too many slow ones in a row can get a bit sleepy for the listeners, I usually try to alternate between slow/fast pieces when possible for maximun variation.
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#2011971 - 01/09/13 11:16 PM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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Well, I saw Andras Schiff perform WTC Books I and II. Those are harmonically linked, I guess.
Edited by Plowboy (01/09/13 11:16 PM)
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#2012416 - 01/10/13 06:50 PM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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at the moment I play in a program Chopin op.57 followed by op.35, D-flat and b-flat, it works, it is a shock by all means, to go from sleeping sweetly into a nightmare, well, it works, the more as the 2 works share a 'common' key and are played without a break (so to speak). In general the audience isn't at all aware of keys, so one is free to play any key, any piece of any period, as long as the program is interesting/musical/worthwile. No one ever minds that Kreisleriana is half an hour of g-minor (bit of relative major).
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#2012421 - 01/10/13 06:54 PM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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I didn't perform these, but I had worked up Chopin's op.10/6 to be followed by op.10/12.
The ending of op.10/6 (with its sudden resolution to Eb major) followed immediately by the crashing G7 opening of op.10/12 was pleasing to me.
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#2012424 - 01/10/13 07:08 PM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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I do op.10 and op.25 and they seem to work better than the lot of op. 28, due to the music rather than the keys I suppose.
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#2012612 - 01/11/13 04:47 AM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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How often you encounter a pianist reciting a program where the pieces are, either by accident or not, harmonically linked? Maybe 'harmonically linked' isn't the right term. As in... the key of each piece makes for smooth transitions between them, and the ear very much enjoys it. Have you ever tried to put together a program like this? Sometimes this is built into sets of pieces by the composer. For example, most of Rachmaninoff's Op.23 and Op.32 preludes are linked by having a prominent note at the end of one piece appear at or near the beginning of the next piece. Most of Dvořák's Silhouettes, Op. 8 also do this, and I seem to remember that some groups of pieces within Fibich's Moods, Impressions & Souvenirs, Op.41 do it as well.
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#2012623 - 01/11/13 06:10 AM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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It seems to me that there are many ways that a pianist could conceive this type of program : - circle of fifths - circle of fourths - major/minor/major (C major/A minor; A/major/F-sharp minor; F-sharp major/E-flat minor, etc., - chromatically, ascending or descending
but it all sounds pretty artificial and contrived unless there were some other more unifying thread in the program. Otherwise, I would have to ask : why?
I think oftentimes we as listeners will experience the key sequence of pieces in a program as being either musical somewhat logical or maybe not so much, but it is pretty much unconscious (unless it's a group of small pieces - it becomes more obvious, then). I have some not-very-specific memories of concert pianists talking about taking the key relationships of pieces into consideration when planning a program, but it's not like they advertise to the audience that they've done so. I don't see why that kind of planning would be any more "artificial" than any other kind of planning, if it makes sense to the performer.
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#2013956 - 01/13/13 03:01 PM
Re: programs where the pieces are harmonically linked
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[...] There's also the interesting 'hanging note' that appears at the very start of Op. 25, Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. Almost a suspension of time. I certainly wouldn't think of these notes as "... a suspension of time" which, if played as such, would destroy their function. Quite the contrary, these notes are upbeats leading to the mean beat, and should be both conceived and played as such. Regards,
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