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#2011869 - 01/09/13 07:21 PM Out of the mouths ...
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My great-nephew, four years old, said to his father, listening to classical music on the car radio:

"Dad, this music doesn't have any people in it!"

Cheers!
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#2011913 - 01/09/13 08:57 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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Haha that's excellent smile

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#2011918 - 01/09/13 09:07 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
"Dad, this music doesn't have any people in it!"

LOL!

And now I know why I don't like vocal music that much: People! ha

Instrumental music is a purer art.
No people. grin

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#2012056 - 01/10/13 03:11 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: BruceD
"Dad, this music doesn't have any people in it!"

LOL!

And now I know why I don't like vocal music that much: People! ha

Instrumental music is a purer art.
No people. grin


You would get along very well with my parents. My mom can't stand opera singers, and my dad is an architectural photographer - no fickle moving subjects!

OP: That is simultaneously a little depressing and incredibly profound. No voices = no humans, although I'm sure he'll be learning about instruments soon, but on the other hand, think about it: how alien would it be to someone who had only ever heard music through via the human voice? How bizarre would the oboe sound, or the bassoon, or baroque strings!

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#2012097 - 01/10/13 06:37 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: AldenH]
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[...] OP: That is simultaneously a little depressing and incredibly profound. No voices = no humans, although I'm sure he'll be learning about instruments soon, but on the other hand, think about it: how alien would it be to someone who had only ever heard music through via the human voice? How bizarre would the oboe sound, or the bassoon, or baroque strings!


+1. Kind of. I think. Maybe. (We're not disagreeing). The human voice brings a warmth of contact that no instrument can bring. Instrumentals can be sublime, but when you add a well tuned voice or choir, Ka-blam!, instant identification with the best of intimate human sound!

Although, here's a story~~Shortly after my son was born (months, in fact) when we lived in Massachusetts, where we listened to Morning Pro Musica with Robert J. Lurtsema every morning without fail, which started every morning, without fail, with bird songs... (our TV reception was always snowier than that in the link, until we got cable... but we listened to Morning Pro Musica on the radio, which was clear enough from Boston...)... on April 1st, Robert played a trick on us, and played whale songs instead of bird songs. I was holding my son in the crook of my arm at the time, and remember the look in my infant son's eyes when he heard the whale songs. His eyes got wide and pensive at the same time, like he had heard that sound, somewhere before. Then, it occurred to me, that that is what life sounds like when you are in the womb.

http://youtu.be/xo2bVbDtiX8

Just sayin'.

--Andy


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#2012118 - 01/10/13 07:42 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
My great-nephew, four years old, said to his father, listening to classical music on the car radio:

"Dad, this music doesn't have any people in it!"



Does anyone at his house play an instrument with some frequency? I am guessing not, but it would be interesting if that guess was incorrect.

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#2012129 - 01/10/13 08:07 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: wr]
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[...] Does anyone at his house play an instrument with some frequency? [...]


I am guessing that if anyone plays an instrument, it is played at some frequency. whome
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#2012140 - 01/10/13 08:32 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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I’m betting the prize of a fictional wagon-load of Spanish doubloons to the first nerd chappie who detects the origin of the OPs topic ...

“Out of the mouths"
(of babes and sucklings ... no googling!)

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#2012155 - 01/10/13 09:07 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: btb]
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Matthew 21:16--Jesus, referencing Psalms 8:2 (RSV). Or, did you have something else in mind?

(Had to consult the concordance column to find the Psalms reference... sorry!)

Click to reveal..


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Edit Reason: added proof pic to earn imaginary mammon
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#2012171 - 01/10/13 09:38 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
My great-nephew, four years old, said to his father, listening to classical music on the car radio:

"Dad, this music doesn't have any people in it!"

Cheers!
Wonderful!

Actually, I was considering starting a thread about recordings that capture the artist's breathing. I've heard it in both violin and piano concertos. Personally, I find it extremely compelling. It makes the music seem more alive and personal. You can hear their emotions through the rhythm of their breathing. Thoughts?
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#2012177 - 01/10/13 09:51 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: gooddog]
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[...] I was considering starting a thread about recordings that capture the artist's breathing. I've heard it in both violin and piano concertos. Personally, I find it extremely compelling. It makes the music seem more alive and personal. You can hear their emotions through the rhythm of their breathing. Thoughts?


Depends on the placement of the microphones, the context, and the overall soundscape. Sometimes it can be intimate and compelling, sometimes irritating and distracting. eek Just my opinion.
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#2012188 - 01/10/13 10:18 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C

Instrumental music is a purer art.


Of course I'm biased, but WHOA...


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#2012212 - 01/10/13 11:39 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: Mark_C

Instrumental music is a purer art.


Of course I'm biased, but WHOA...



I agree. Nothing beats a good piece of music sung in 4-part harmony, like Bach motets (Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227 is my favorite - partly because I sang it in school). Or even 40-part harmony like Tallis's Spem in alium.

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#2012242 - 01/10/13 12:40 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Instrumental music is a purer art.
Of course I'm biased, but WHOA...

I was kidding!!

A little bit anyway. grin

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#2012310 - 01/10/13 03:16 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Mark_C]
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Reminds me of the remark made by Debussy along the lines of "the problem with opera is too much singing".

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#2012314 - 01/10/13 03:27 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Instrumental music is a purer art.
Of course I'm biased, but WHOA...

I was kidding!!

A little bit anyway. grin


You are not the only one actually...I have never enjoyed human voices in classical music. Soul and Jazz yes, but no opera for me...

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#2012332 - 01/10/13 03:58 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: outo]
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I don't mind it too much if it's in a foreign language. ha

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#2012338 - 01/10/13 04:12 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Mark_C]
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I never listen to music sung in my own language. The silly words bother me less in English even if I very well understand them...

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#2012346 - 01/10/13 04:20 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: jehalliday]
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Reminds me of the remark made by Debussy along the lines of "the problem with opera is too much singing".


Ah, that explains why his Pelléas et Mélisande isn't one of my favorite operas grin. Too much singing.

Faure's and Sibelius's Pelléas et Mélisande and Schoenberg's Pelleas und Melisande are much better, because they obey Debussy's dictum.....

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#2012357 - 01/10/13 04:37 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: bennevis]
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I like Gilbert & Sullivan.
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#2012366 - 01/10/13 04:50 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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I didn't like opera when I was 4, although I liked instrumental music... smile Now I do like opera, although the plots are usually a bit silly. I just like the music.
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#2012409 - 01/10/13 06:28 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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I'm such a piano bigot that I skip over the orchestral parts when I listen to recordings of piano concertos.
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#2012465 - 01/10/13 08:32 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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I like Gilbert & Sullivan.

YESSSSS!!

Those are words that are pretty cool. thumb

BTW, a kewpie doll to anyone who can come up with the rhyme to "About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot of news" who doesn't already know it and without looking it up.

Actually I take it back. Anybody who would get it, I wouldn't believe that they didn't already know it or look it up. ha

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#2012466 - 01/10/13 08:37 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
I like Gilbert & Sullivan.

YESSSSS!!

Those are words that are pretty cool. thumb

BTW, a kewpie doll to anyone who can come up with the rhyme to "About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot of news" who doesn't already know it and without looking it up.

Actually I take it back. Anybody who would get it, I wouldn't believe that they didn't already know it or look it up. ha


...to think that I'd always imagined that G & S is an acquired taste that only the British could acquire (like Marmite).......... grin

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#2012475 - 01/10/13 08:51 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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when words are put to music it no longer is left to the imagination of the listener,
I much prefer instrumental music... smile

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#2012517 - 01/10/13 10:26 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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Of course piano is my favorite but opera has some of the [ if not the] most beautiful melodies....I just wish the vibrato could be less in most cases.

I wish I could say the piano is the best but I really believe it is second fiddle to the human voice. Pianos can sound and feel similar[ I hate saying that] but the human voice is always individualistic. Well, at least the spirit behind the voice....maybe the same is true for playing the piano.

rada

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#2012542 - 01/10/13 11:53 PM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: BruceD]
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Marmite?? A small rodent?

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#2012550 - 01/11/13 12:08 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
I like Gilbert & Sullivan.

YESSSSS!!

Those are words that are pretty cool. thumb

BTW, a kewpie doll to anyone who can come up with the rhyme to "About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot of news" who doesn't already know it and without looking it up.

Actually I take it back. Anybody who would get it, I wouldn't believe that they didn't already know it or look it up. ha

Well I've never heard the song or know which opera it's from. But the obvious rhyme is



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#2012555 - 01/11/13 12:32 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Ferdinand]
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#2012558 - 01/11/13 12:39 AM Re: Out of the mouths ... [Re: Mark_C]
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So that's what a kewpie doll looks like!

What is the actual line of the song?


Edited by Ferdinand (01/11/13 12:40 AM)

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