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#1877164 - 04/10/12 11:35 PM Klipsch multi-media speakers
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Have decided to try these:

http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-2-1-computer-speakers

Check out the specs on them as I believe that they will allow for a very reasonable listening experience, without the thinner sound and lack of bass to be found in many other studio monitors.*

Positives:

There are 200 watts, comprised of three speakers:

1) Powerful subwoofer to enhance the bass sounds - 130 watts.
2) Two smaller satellite speakers (for treble/mid range) - 35 watts, each.
3) Amplified system, only requires input from piano's headphone jack.

The sub-woofer can be placed below the piano, whereas the the other two satellites can be placed directly on top of the piano and can be turned to face any direction. It is the subwoofer that will give the bass sounds their fair share of emphasis.

Negatives:

No power button on back of subwoofer, so it has to be plugged into a surge protector that can be turned on/off.

*Extra note:

Even though labeled as computer speakers they can also be connected to a TV, DVD players, and, digital pianos.

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#1877178 - 04/11/12 12:09 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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I owned these speakers. I was unfortunately not very impressed with them and ended up returning them. I guess they kind of gave me the feeling that they were behind a blanket or something. Of course, my room is pretty acoustically bad. I now use the Logitech Z2300 and it's better but still not great. You can't get it any more, so I'm not actually sure I can suggest anything better than these promedias.

On a separate note, I wouldn't suggest putting the sub on the floor if you can avoid it. Somehow it all sounded significantly worse for me when it was down there. I mean, if you have to you have to, but it does sound worse in my experience. The best place to put a sub if you can is at ear level in between the satellites.


Edited by gvfarns (04/11/12 02:28 AM)
Edit Reason: Edited for clarity

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#1877401 - 04/11/12 10:17 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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I wouldn't use computer speakers for any piano, least of all for a top-quality model like the V. And for that much money you can get decent bookshelf speakers.

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#1877542 - 04/11/12 01:41 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Tried the Logitech Z2300 at 200 watts. (craiglist $50)

Agree with gvfarms ... better than my FP7 speakers, but I was expecting more after reading some great reviews on them many months ago.

After testing the Z2300's, doubt that any computer speakers will not cut it.

For the $220 you can get decent monitors (probably used) that produce a better sound.

PS : Moved the Z2300 to my TV ... they found a home there.

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#1877972 - 04/12/12 03:12 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: dannac]
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Also, the $219 spent with this seller was $70 more than what I could have had directly from Klipsch, at only $149.99.

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#1878280 - 04/12/12 03:11 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Yeah that was the other thing I was going to say. I bought mine at Best Buy for $150 so the $219 seemed a little high.

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#1878312 - 04/12/12 04:14 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: gvfarns]
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[Edited]

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#1878316 - 04/12/12 04:21 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: MacMacMac]
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Hi MacMacMac,

What would you recommend by way of bookshelf style speakers, and, would they work if they were set directly on top of the V-Piano?

Perhaps this could add a little key bed vibration?

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#1878409 - 04/12/12 06:56 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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For several years I've used a pair of large JBL towers (three-way with 10" + 5" + 1" drivers), but I recently supplemented them with a pair of bookshelf speakers resting on stands behind the piano. They're Polk RT15 speakers (two-way with 5-1/4" + 3/4" drivers).

With just the towers, the sound wasn't quite what I wanted. In particular, the sound was "down low", while I prefer the sound "up higher" as with a full-size upright piano. That's why I added the bookshelf speakers.

I don't know what the bookshelf speakers sound like all by themselves because I drive both pairs of speakers together. But I think the sound would be good with just the bookshelf speakers. They wouldn't carry the deep bass response of the JBLs, but I think they'd be adequate. (You could instead choose bookshelf speakers with 6-1/2" drivers for slightly better bass response.)

They're are lots of bookshelf speakers available on Ebay. I was considering the Boston Acoustic CR6. They're widely available and not expensive. But the Bostons became available locally on Craig's List, so I went that way instead.

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#1878468 - 04/12/12 08:54 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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#1878510 - 04/12/12 10:21 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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If it's mostly for your own listening, then if your budget is ~$200 I'd have to suggest you seriously consider using that money to purchase a mid range set of headphones, rather than cheap speakers. $200 carefully spent will get you a reasonable listening experience with headphones, but you'd need a bigger budget to do the V-Piano (or any DP, really) justice with speakers.

For example, for sound quality, my ~$250 headphones absolutely blow my $1000 'hifi' out of the water.


Edited by Dogthinker (04/12/12 10:24 PM)
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#1880921 - 04/17/12 03:31 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Update:

Looks like I decided to try the Klipsch speakers as I can say that they really are pretty decent for the money. For as long as they will last (at a $150 value) they appear to be worth the purchase.

The subwoofer is very powerful at 130 watts, and, the two satellites put out 35 watts each for 200 watts, total. I do not hear any kind of muffled sound with the subwoofer (as gvfarns mentioned) as it is quite loud and strident if turned up, and, it simply becomes far too boomy and vibrates everything around it. Just use moderate volume levels, instead. Not too much bass is better, here.

Also, @gvfarns, perhaps you didn't get the best sound from this setup as you were using piano software, and, not just the digital piano, itself?

There is one cable that goes straight from the subwoofer to the headphone jack of the piano. That is all you need to set it up.

The clarity of the piano sounds appear to be sufficient, overall.

Can't complain, as for now...

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#1881013 - 04/17/12 09:06 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Quote:
The clarity of the piano sounds appear to be sufficient, overall.
Can't complain, as for now...


Thanks for the update.

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#1881230 - 04/17/12 02:20 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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I'm glad you are liking it.

Who knows what was up with my setup/speakers/ears that made it not good for me? Glad it's not universal.

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#1882102 - 04/19/12 01:25 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Extra note:

As for using the Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers my setup is as follows:

1) Both satellites sit atop the V-Piano with one on each end, and, I have tried angling them towards myself and slightly off to the outward direction as I find that in doing the latter (pointing them outwards and away from myself) gives a better sense of sound that surrounds me for the room that I am in.

2) The subwoofer is on the floor (as recommended by Klipsch) as I have put it in the far left corner of the V-Piano stand, since it has to go either left (or, right) of the triple pedal box. The subwoofer is directly under the bass keys on that end of the board, and, can feel some of the vibrations in the keys as well as the pedals since this sub vibrates just about everything. I didn't expect this to happen but it is a nice plus, considering that the V-Piano does not have a built-in speaker system.

I have determined that the two satellite speakers also add a small amount of vibration to the keys as well, since they sit directly on top of the piano. The satellites also come with small rubber pads that can be stuck on the bottom sides of the metal feet, adding stability for the speakers and so they do not scratch the top of the V-Piano.

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#2004607 - 12/26/12 01:26 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Hi pv88.

I was wondering if you still are using the Klipsch setup and if you still recommend them.

I want to add external speakers/subwoofer but I don't want overly large speakers nor directional monitors. I really like Klipsch products and this setup has me intrigued.

Thanks!
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#2004668 - 12/26/12 04:12 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: scorpio]
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Yes, I use them with a V-Piano and a Kawai EP3 and note that the speakers are hooked directly to the headphone jack on the pianos. The two satellite speakers are small enough to place them right on top of the V-Piano (one at each end) and the subwoofer can be placed below the keyboard and to the far left side to reinforce vibrations on the bass end of the keyboard.

These are not "high end" speakers/monitors but I believe that they easily outperform anything in the $200 - $300 range as you will pay only $150. They have very good treble and mid-range clarity (with tweeter horns and a midrange speaker in each satellite) and the sub speaks for itself.

There is more than enough power to drive any digital piano and you can reach acoustic-like volume levels if needed. Again, the speakers operate from a cable you attach to the headphone jack, as the output.

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#2004735 - 12/26/12 10:23 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: scorpio]
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Klipsch makes some great products, and has for decades ...
Originally Posted By: DennisKuv
I really like Klipsch products and this setup has me intrigued.
... but they also make some very low-end stuff (as do many manufacturers).

The speakers in question are meant for desktop computers. They're good enough for that, but they're really not adequate for a piano. And for this much money you can do better with proper stereo speakers.

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#2005123 - 12/27/12 07:02 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: MacMacMac]
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Even though the Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers are not high-end quality they are easily adequate for any digital piano, so don't be put off by thinking they don't give you decent sound. These are not your typical computer speakers that you get with most PC purchases. They have far better quality than $40 - $60 (low-end range) computer speakers.

They are decent enough to amplify the V-Piano with clear, crystal-like highs, the midrange sounds are full and resonant, and, the sub has plenty of power for the lowest bass tones, all without buzzing or distortion.

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#2005177 - 12/27/12 09:05 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Thank you for the replies. I am very new to the world of digital pianos. And after so much reading it does not appear any one "correct" answer to the external speaker issue. I guess that is the same for selecting a DP to begin with.

I just don't want to spend a ton of money. I just might give the Klipsch a try. Also been looking at the Sony SS-B3000 bookshelf speakers (with mini amp) and few others in that price range.

Thanks again.
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#2012773 - 01/11/13 12:38 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Just hooked up the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 speakers. For me, and what I an doing now, they are perfect. The sound quality exceeds the internal speakers. There is a deeper presence when playing. Clearly they are not the "audiophile"-type speakers, but they get the job done with a smaller footprint. I am happy.
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#2012940 - 01/11/13 04:30 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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pv88, I am curious. What level do you have the subwoofer set to? Is it at 10 o'clock (the mark) or do you have it set higher? I'm still playing with the volume levels too (DP vs. speaker). Thanks
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#2013014 - 01/11/13 06:38 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: scorpio]
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Originally Posted By: scorpio
Just hooked up the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 speakers. For me, and what I an doing now, they are perfect. The sound quality exceeds the internal speakers. There is a deeper presence when playing. Clearly they are not the "audiophile"-type speakers, but they get the job done with a smaller footprint. I am happy.


@scorpio,

I am glad that you like your new Klipsch setup and your description is exactly correct as for the quality of these speakers, as well.

As for your question, I never need to turn the subwoofer up above the "mark" as that is more than enough bass for a piano!

Also, the best spot for the sub is under the far left side of your piano (or, bass end) as that is where bass sounds originate.

Don't turn it too high unless you want to rumble the walls. grin

Extra note:

Be very careful when moving the subwoofer around as it is very easy to break off the connectors in the back where the wires go in, and, if you don't have to move the sub, you are better off.

Always disconnect any wires first if you do need to lift, or, move it.

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#2013153 - 01/12/13 12:23 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
Yes, I use them with a V-Piano and a Kawai EP3 and note that the speakers are hooked directly to the headphone jack on the pianos. The two satellite speakers are small enough to place them right on top of the V-Piano (one at each end) and the subwoofer can be placed below the keyboard and to the far left side to reinforce vibrations on the bass end of the keyboard.

These are not "high end" speakers/monitors but I believe that they easily outperform anything in the $200 - $300 range as you will pay only $150. They have very good treble and mid-range clarity (with tweeter horns and a midrange speaker in each satellite) and the sub speaks for itself.

There is more than enough power to drive any digital piano and you can reach acoustic-like volume levels if needed. Again, the speakers operate from a cable you attach to the headphone jack, as the output.


I have a Roland FP-7F that I like very much. However, the internal speakers leave a bit to be desired and I'm giving serious consideration to purchasing these Klipsch 2.1 speakers to supplement the built-in speakers without having to spend a lot of money in the process. My question is this: is it possible to drive the Klipsch speakers to a sufficient volume level (given that they're self-amplified) via the 'Line Out' jacks using a y-adapter cable (1/4" female stereo socket splitting into two 1/4" male mono plugs, which is readily available at any Guitar Center for about $20.00) rather than driving them via the headphone jack? I ask this because driving these Klipsch speakers through the headphone jack will disable the internal speakers and I would like to hear both pairs of speakers at the same time for a fuller, richer sound. Any suggestions on this matter would be greatly appreciated!

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#2013157 - 01/12/13 12:36 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers [Re: pv88]
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I have a hard time understanding the use of computer speakers on a piano, when, for around the same money you can get a proper set of bookshelf or even tower speakers, and amplifier to drive them.

For example, this rig (less the piano) cost me just under $300. Two towers, two bookshelf speakers with stands, five-channel receiver/amplifier, and equalizer.
Does a computer speaker set provide comparable value?

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#2013200 - 01/12/13 03:42 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers & question [Re: KLSinCT]
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Originally Posted By: KLSinCT
My question is this: is it possible to drive the Klipsch speakers to a sufficient volume level (given that they're self-amplified) via the 'Line Out' jacks using a y-adapter cable (1/4" female stereo socket splitting into two 1/4" male mono plugs, which is readily available at any Guitar Center for about $20.00) rather than driving them via the headphone jack? I ask this because driving these Klipsch speakers through the headphone jack will disable the internal speakers and I would like to hear both pairs of speakers at the same time for a fuller, richer sound. Any suggestions on this matter would be greatly appreciated!


@Kevin,

You ask a very good question, although I am not sure as to how the Klipsch speakers would work (and, sound) through the line out jacks instead of the headphone jack, which is the intended output.

The speakers sound quite sufficient using just the headphone jack, since the V-Piano that I play has no additional built-in speakers of its own. The Klipsch are the only amplification for my V-Piano.

Extra note:

Perhaps someone else has tried the setup you mention?

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#2014874 - 01/15/13 11:09 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers [Re: pv88]
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So after a couple of days with my new Klipsch speakers I am getting a crackling sound out of the right satellite. I am quite annoyed. I have pretty decent hearing, so it drives me bonkers. These are probably going right back.

So now I am back to square one. MacMacMac, any suggestions on a good set of bookshelf speakers? I really don't want anything huge. And should I be concerned with the frequency response range? I was looking at this setup:

1) Polk Audio PSW10 10-Inch Monitor Series Powered Subwoofer (Single, Black)
2) Polk Audio TSi100 Bookshelf Speakers (Pair, Black)

I am hoping with the powered subwoofer I would not need an amp/receiver.

ugh!
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#2014881 - 01/15/13 11:19 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
I have a hard time understanding the use of computer speakers on a piano, when, for around the same money you can get a proper set of bookshelf or even tower speakers, and amplifier to drive them.

Aesthetics, perhaps. All those pieces and all that wiring may not be appealing. Also, bigger does not always sound better, especially if you're not necessarily looking for much volume. There are certainly higher priced small speakers that sound much better than lower priced big speakers.

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#2014890 - 01/15/13 11:58 AM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
I have a hard time understanding the use of computer speakers on a piano, when, for around the same money you can get a proper set of bookshelf or even tower speakers, and amplifier to drive them.

For example, this rig (less the piano) cost me just under $300. Two towers, two bookshelf speakers with stands, five-channel receiver/amplifier, and equalizer.
Does a computer speaker set provide comparable value?


Where do you get a 5.1 channel receiver for less than $200 (new) or a tower speaker for less than $100 each?

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#2014895 - 01/15/13 12:14 PM Re: Klipsch multi-media speakers [Re: anotherscott]
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Scorpio,

You might want to consider a studio monitor setup.
A pair of Yamaha HS50 LINK and the HS10W LINK is a nice clean sounding system. A friend of mine uses them on his Kawai MP10. Very nice!

I have used the Rokit 5 monitors with a 10' sub they sounded great. But I decided to use them in my home studio for mixing.
I then bought a Roland CM-220 system LINK that I am very happy with the sound of, in fact I personally like them more than the Rokits system for my MOX8. They are very accurate, clean with plenty of bass for even the lowest keys. The nice thing about the Roland system is its very portable, the satellites are passive with all the amps in the sub (1 power plug) and mount on mic stands. I have used these once at a church performance and the 200 watts total had plenty of power to be heard above drums, guitars & choir.


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