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#2000834 - 12/17/12 06:58 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Back to add: well go figure, I seem to have learned those two measures of descending first inversion chords after all, plus a bit of what follows. Worked it out carefully with what I remembered of them: by the names of their roots (appearing as the melody).

What I wonder is, does memorization ever get easier, or is it always like this? (I've been stuck at this point for a couple of weeks.) (Of course, when I say "like this", neither of us really knows what the other's mental experience of memorizing is. I hazard that my experience is completely unlike that of those who say they just play the piece enough, and pouf! it's memorized.)
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#2000838 - 12/17/12 07:04 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I soooooo need time to think, bk 2moz smile

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#2000926 - 12/17/12 11:16 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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ok please sign me up for 85/1 as a second piece. smile (unless anyone else was really hoping to do that one).

i'm also playing around with 38/5 but I know I am dreaming about being able to play it. so no sign up on that one...at least for now...:P

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#2001231 - 12/18/12 03:15 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I've edited the list Valencia, cheers smile

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#2001668 - 12/19/12 11:37 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major -
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

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#2001669 - 12/19/12 11:41 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Not many left folks smile

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#2001964 - 12/20/12 02:35 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Many of the remaining pieces are very difficult - comparable with Chopin etudes in my opinion. But there are still a couple less complicated songs available on the list.

Op.85 No.5 is a gem. It starts with a short introduction where the piano somehow simulates brass instruments. Then comes the melody which is a very typical Mendelssohn "choral" tune. At the end the introductory theme is repeated. The difficulty of this piece is not more than moderate. For people used to playing four part chorals it is rather easy.

Op.62 No.4 is another beautiful piece. Formally it resembles 85/5. The melody is very joyful, and the piece is comparable with 85/5 when comes to difficulty. I think both pieces are well suited for people who also play the organ.

Op.38 No.4 is another piece that isn't too technically demanding. I haven't paid much attention to it myself, but I think it is a nice piece.

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#2001979 - 12/20/12 04:26 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Ganddalf]
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Ganddalf, many thanks for your recommendations. I'm really struck by 85,5 and for the moment I would like to take that on in lieu of the 38,1 (ok, Wayne?).

These choices are sometimes far from straightforward. A seemingly easy piece may spring a tricky surprise just as the superficially diffcult may turn out to be very manageable after a bit of practice. And then again, if we're going to choose our own tempo, a piece can drop or rise a grade in difficulty. Either way, one sometimes has to sink a bit of time into a piece to know if it suits.

Incidentally, I noticed in an earlier post, amongst the pieces you thought difficult, you singled out op.38 no. 1. Can I ask, what troubles did you foresee in it? So far, I've just fumbled a poor reading of it so haven't been able to properly evaluate it but I know it must be demanding because it's rated grade 8 in at least one list along with the spinning song (!!) and a couple of others.

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#2001992 - 12/20/12 05:22 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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It turns out I have to mock myself with my own argument. I would prefer to stick with 38,1 - well at least, Wayne, you've no extra work to do on my behalf!

I've spent an hour or so playing through 85,5 and much as I like it, it doesn't give me enough to push against so I'll stay for the moment with my original choice.

To put it another way, disregard this and my previous post.

But I would echo Ganddalf's recommendations, 85,5 and 62,4 are not too ambitious and great practice for playing chords really tight and time-perfect.

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#2001994 - 12/20/12 05:28 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I can't really remember that I made any statement about Op.38/1. Maybe I just mixed it up with another one (risky writing posts without the sheet music readily available). I think 38/1 is difficult, but not in the same class as the hardest ones. I don't emphasise the difficulty grades too much, since sometimes I find pieces with high grading manageable, while pieces with lower grading can be unplayable. Maybe because I have lots of experience playing four-part chorals, but at the same time I have very small hands. Among the remaining pieces I find the following ones in the "very difficult" to "extremely difficult" range:

Op.30 No.2 (Definitely requires bigger hands than mine)
Op.38 No.3 (I played through this one this morning at slow speed. Beautiful, but hard)
Op.53 No.3
Op,62 No.2 (Difficult when played fast. To me, however, it doesn't sound bad when played a bit slower than e.g. Barenboim)
Op.67 No.4
Op.85 No.3

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#2002006 - 12/20/12 05:58 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Ganddalf]
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"difficult but not in the same class" - yes, quite so.

Your list pretty much reflects the pieces I rejected out of hand - mostly at presto, too fast for me to do any one of them justice.


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#2003164 - 12/22/12 04:39 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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For those who haven't noticed, there's some really helpful Mendelssohn analysis going on in;

zrtf90's Classical Sonata Analysis thread wink
Here


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#2003234 - 12/22/12 08:23 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Originally Posted By: wayne33yrs
For those who haven't noticed, there's some really helpful Mendelssohn analysis going on in;

zrtf90's Classical Sonata Analysis thread wink
Here


Thanks, Wayne. Yes indeed, there is. I am certainly benefiting from it, currently with one of my Mendelsshohn selections -- Lord knows, I can use the help -- as has PianoStudent88.

We've taken a detour from the current Haydn analysis, specifically for some practical work on the Mendelssohn pieces.

So yes, please do, join the discussion (anyone/everyone) with your Mendelssohn (or other) selection, if you care to.


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#2004235 - 12/25/12 08:08 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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How do you go guys?

I have to say that I’m into that group called “this is the hardest piece I’ve ever learned”. I’ve memorized the music score, except the last twelve bars which are a sort of recapitulation.

I play the piece slowly, about half speed and without musicality. This is being really hard, and I don’t know how far I can go. But I feel that am learning a lot with this song without words, which probably is the most important thing of these recitals.

Nevertheless I hope to speed up my tempo and get some musicality someday before the deadline smile
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#2006147 - 12/29/12 05:36 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year Recaredo smile You're not on your own with this one, I'm only at part 2 of mine (it's in three parts) and there is literally no musicality pmsl. I almost gave up, but "F-it" I'm just gonna keep goin' and take it more serious after xmas and new year. I'm hoping we can still get the pieces not taken, taken. If not, no worries, I still got my cunning stunt smile

Bk soon folks, after the festivish season wink

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#2006154 - 12/29/12 06:02 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Maybe we can ask our piano teachers to take on the more difficult ones so that we have the whole set.
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#2006347 - 12/30/12 04:23 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Happy New Year to all Recital fellows smile
I will keep only one song. It belongs to the easiest ones but still I will be glad it will not end catastrophically smile
I am "playing" just one year and without teacher so this is pretty steep cliff for me. Now I am somewhere in the middle of the song - that melody played with big chords is something new for me.
Good luck to all.
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#2006402 - 12/30/12 07:43 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: Pavel.K]
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Happy New Year to all Recital fellows smile
I will keep only one song. It belongs to the easiest ones but still I will be glad it will not end catastrophically smile
I am "playing" just one year and without teacher so this is pretty steep cliff for me. Now I am somewhere in the middle of the song - that melody played with big chords is something new for me.
Good luck to all.


Good for you, Pavel for taking this on. It is a lovely piece and one you will be proud, I'm sure to have added to your line up. It sure does not sound easy to me (perhaps easier of the many challenging pieces.)

I would encourage you to join in the discussion on the Sonata analysis thread with this piece. You'd be amazed at the value in learning that can be achieved in viewing and understanding the work from a different perspective, as well as tremendous practice discipline advice.

At any rate, good luck to you as well. I am sure you will do a fabulous job, and I look forward to hearing it.
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#2009663 - 01/05/13 07:34 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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~Wayne

I am not sure if I will be able to stay in the recital. Work on the piece is not going as well I had hoped. My teacher wants me to work on a piece by Beethoven instead. At my next lessson I will know for sure if I can continue working on the Mendlessohn piece and I will let you know whether or not I will be staying in the recital.

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#2009688 - 01/05/13 08:24 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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You can do this! I'm propper struggling too, but just keep at it, and you will get there smile see you at the recital wink

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#2010111 - 01/06/13 04:09 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I'm a little worried about my pieces, especially the second one I picked up --85/1. I think I will have to memorize it in order to play it as the left hand really moves along, but I don't know how I will memorize it! I know I should focus on small bits at a time, but all of the piece needs so much work, it's hard not to want to work on all of it all the time!

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#2010386 - 01/07/13 03:21 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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If there are any left, can you assign me to a pretty easy one? I like Mendelssohn very much, but don`t know all his stuff!
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#2010405 - 01/07/13 05:09 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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peterws, Op38/4 is the only manageable piece left at present. Make sure it appeals before you put your name to it.
'Pretty easy' is a relative term and I don't know what else you play.
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Valencia, I deduce from your post that memorising is not your modus operandi. This is a two page piece and doesn't need to be memorised. There's no page turning here.

Have you analysed this piece in any detail?

You might need to decide early on whether you're going to adopt the recommended fingering or as I would do, take the first two LH notes in 5-1 then the next four in 5-4-2-1 or 5-3-2-1. You might vary it throughout the score but my first step would be to cement the fingering for each bar individually over the first couple of days.

It's like a date, remember, fingering first! smile

The timing strategy you adopt for the second half of M3 you should be using throughout (i.e. wherever it occurs (M8, 11, 18, etc) and especially 34).

I get the climax in M22 so the section M17-25 would be the first port of call for me. M23-25 are not difficult so get them out of the way first, let's say day 1. M17-19 on day 2 (however long these days turns out to be), M19-21 on day 3 and M17-25 on day 4. During those "4" days (could be 14 - it doesn't matter just complete each bit before moving on) play once or twice through the section HS before settling down to HT practise of your days quota of two or three measures. This phrase can then be repeated as a unit two or three times (dead slow, medium, slow) each day until all your phrases have been done.

As soon as your fingers feel like they're getting this and they're going to increase the tempo, get your metronome out and train to them to maintain tempo at a speed that prevents mistakes.

Remember if you want to get this up to speed that you must practise it slowly. Put the speed in HS and you won't screw it up when your hands are ready to fly. Disregard the deadline completely. When it comes along record at the tempo you're at. Just accept it at that speed, don't try to play at a predetermined speed and expect your playing to catch up. It doesn't work like that.

The left hand really moving along may sound fast before you can actually play it but, trust me, it's not that fast once it's in your fingers. Chill.

Next phrase for me would be M30-39. I wasn't sure, audiating, whether the climax came here or in M22 but it didn't take many actual plays through to determine. But this phrase is a little trickier for me. Again M36-39 are relatively easy and can be sorted out first. Then take your time on M33-36. Just take it dead slow and have every key covered before you play it. When you know the notes and don't have to think the tempo will suddenly come up. And again, once you've got this play it each day after M17-25.

You should have essentially 'cracked' the piece at this stage. The rest is the same thing but with different notes plus the last few easy measures.

I get M17-25, M30-39, M1-5, M6-10, M10-13, M14-17, M40-50 and finally, to avoid joining the two difficult sections too soon, M25-29. Once all these are playable individually against a slow metronome I would take M1-17, M17-25, M25-39 and M40-50.

Don't put pressure on yourself. My guess is that once you've cracked those first two sections you could pretty much play this piece from the score without any major upsets (but don't!).
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#2010460 - 01/07/13 07:53 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: zrtf90]
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It`s a lovely piece, I`d be chuffed to play that!

It's like a date, remember, fingering first! . . heh heh you must be my age, lad!


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#2010504 - 01/07/13 09:42 AM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I`ve indicated to ZRTF90 that I`ll be OK for op38-4. Just to let ya know, if that`s ok by you, Cheers Pete
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#2010585 - 01/07/13 01:03 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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As soon as your fingers feel like they're getting this and they're going to increase the tempo, get your metronome out and train to them to maintain tempo at a speed that prevents mistakes.


I didn't feel quite ready for the time machine yet, for the sections where I have somewhat of a handle on all the notes/chords. But, after reading this post I decided to give it a whirl.

I am delighted to say it was positively enlightening. Areas where I was having the most difficulty was mostly due to incorrect counting/timing which is corrected now and back on track. I should have done this sooner.

Nowhere near the promised land yet, but I can at least envision it on the horizon.

A truly motivational and uplifting breakthrough.
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#2010646 - 01/07/13 02:53 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Added you peterws, thanx wink

Book 1, op. 19b (1829–1830)
No. 1 Andante con moto in E major - Dipsy
No. 2 Andante espressivo in A minor - ragnhildK
No. 3 Molto allegro e vivace in A major - Evelyn S
No. 4 Moderato in A major - Devrie
No. 5 Poco agitato in F-sharp minor - Ganddalf
No. 6 Andante sostenuto in G minor - Recaredo

Book 2, op. 30 (1833–1834)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in E-flat major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro di molto in B-flat minor
No. 3 Adagio non troppo in E major - PianoStudent88
No. 4 Agitato e con fuoco in B minor -DanS
No. 5 Andante grazioso in D major - Beric
No. 6 Allegretto tranquillo in F-sharp minor - LimeFriday

Book 3, op. 38 (1836–1837)
No. 1 Con moto in E-flat major - dire tonic
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in C minor - ROSSY
No. 3 Presto e molto vivace in E major
No. 4 Andante in A major - peterws
No. 5 Agitato in A minor
No. 6 Andante con moto in A-flat major - Sam S

Book 4, op. 53 (1839–1841)
No. 1 Andante con moto in A-flat major - IreneAdler
No. 2 Allegro non troppo in E-flat major - Ganddalf
No. 3 Presto agitato in G minor
No. 4 Adagio in F major - WiseBuff
No. 5 Allegro con fuoco in A minor - Sam S
No. 6 Molto Allegro vivace in A major -DanS

Book 5, op. 62 (1842–1844)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in G major - ZRTF90
No. 2 Allegro con fuoco in B-flat major
No. 3 Andante maestoso in E minor - ZRTF90
No. 4 Allegro con anima in G major
No. 5 Andante con moto in A minor - LimeFriday
No. 6 Allegretto grazioso in A major

Book 6, op. 67 (1843–1845)
No. 1 Andante in E-flat major - timmyab
No. 2 Allegro leggiero in F-sharp minor - dire tonic
No. 3 Andante tranquillo in B-flat major - timmyab
No. 4 Presto in C major
No. 5 Moderato in B minor - Pavel.K
No. 6 Allegro non troppo in E major

Book 7, op. 85 (1834–1845)
No. 1 Andante espressivo in F major - Valencia
No. 2 Allegro agitato in A minor - Wayne33yrs
No. 3 Presto in E-flat major
No. 4 Andante sostenuto in D major - Rupak Bhattacharya
No. 5 Allegretto in A major
No. 6 Allegretto con moto in B-flat major

Book 8, op. 102 (1842–1845)
No. 1 Andante un poco agitato in E minor - Greener
No. 2 Adagio in D major - FarmGirl
No. 3 Presto in C major - AimeeO
No. 4 Un poco agitato, ma andante in G minor - LadyChen
No. 5 Allegro vivace in A major
No. 6 Andante in C major - Greener

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#2010683 - 01/07/13 04:20 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Richard, thank you so much for your post. It is extremely helpful. I just did a little practicing as you suggested, focusing only on those few bars (22-25). It will take me more than a day though to get them into my head and fingers. My head is thick when it comes to memorizing. I'd love to memorize everything, but find it extremely challenging for many pieces.

I spent 20-25 min going over those bars just now. The fingering was tricky with the RH (the shifts in fingers while on the same note). Also, I needed to figure out which notes in the triplets to play with the RH. So sussing all that out took some time. But today I felt like i was actually practicing, instead of just going over the piece again and again and getting nowhere. I do think it will take me several days to get those bars into my head though.

I tried a similar approach to the 30/1 this afternoon, focusing on bars 32-35, and then with my Rach prelude (32/12) bars 1-8. Each of those little sections, in all of those pieces, needs so much work!

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#2010805 - 01/07/13 07:21 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I'm glad it was helpful, Valencia.

Changing the fingers can be tricky if you don't practise it as a specific movement. If you're changing from 3 to 4 on the first F in M23, RH, for example, practise just that half bar with the change occuring on the second LH triplet. Practise each of those half bars up to the first note in each hand of the next beat (seven triplets in LH, three quavers in RH).

At about 1 to 2 seconds per triplet you should be able to practise each half bar 7-10 times in two or three minutes each and do two measures in 15-20 minutes, mark it in your journal then move on to another piece. After ten reps sleep should do more than further practise. Give it a try, record your progress and see how you do.

Because the half bars are so much shorter they'll be easier to memorise, too. When the half measures are fluent join them up to whole bars, then two bars, etc.

It's not important how long this takes you because you're acquiring technique that will be useful throughout the piece. Be patient with yourself and don't chase deadlines. The rest of the piece will flow much more smoothly.
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#2011294 - 01/08/13 04:27 PM Re: Themed recital - the BIG ONE! [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Reporting in: I have got my piece all memorized, and tied together, and able to play at a not-too-unreasonable tempo, with dynamics and pedal.

There is a section which usually messes me up when I try to increase the tempo with the metronome, though. But I find that only practicing that section doesn't obviously bring improvement, because the problem happens when I try to combine it with other sections. Very puzzling. I think I need to practice thinking ahead to that section while I'm playing the other sections, so I'll be ready for it. Or maybe playing into that section from other sections, but only one chord in. And then backing up and playing up to two chords in, and so on. Or maybe I need to overpractice just that one section after all, and bring it up to a tempo quite a bit faster than I ultimately plan to play it. So many possibilities...

Also, from playing the piece very slowly as I was learning it, it actually sounds quite reasonable to me at a very slow, slower-than-Lento, pace (judging by the metronome markings in the Satie Gymnopédies), but this piece is supposed to be Adagio. I know tempo is contextual, but this puzzles me.

Finally, I'm only making sporadic progress at reliably voicing the melody, so I think I need to make up some exercises for myself and just practice voicing all alone, separate from this piece (since this kind of separate practice seems to be an M.O. that works for me). Perhaps playing well-voiced triads and seventh chords up and down the scale.
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