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#2014116 - 01/13/13 09:41 PM Where am I after 9 months.
plns Offline
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Registered: 01/15/12
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I made a brief appearance here last April as a new tuner learning the trade. Battling through some discouragement and gone missing for about 4 of the 9 months, I've managed to tune about 30 pianos.

I still use Tune-labs to get the temperament and then tune the rest by ear. I understand tuning by 3rds,4ths and 5ths and have practiced it. It has a a somewhat long runway to perfection. It takes a lot to get a 3rd to sound right and then have quiet 4ths and 5ths.

I can make a piano sound good to the layman. The store owner where I tune and who plays, likes my tuning as does the salesman.

My unisons are pretty tight and I'll post something when I get the chance.

Again, thanks to those that offered some advices and my apologies for those I neglected to thank.

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#2014154 - 01/13/13 11:29 PM Re: Where am I after 9 months. [Re: plns]
woodfab Online   content
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I at this point do not say I am piano tuner. I do tune my own.

I had a great tuner that tuned by ear and new how to set the pins correctly, but he has retired.

The main reason I decided to tune my own piano is due the the disappointment of the tunings I got after my local tuner retired.

It's really a bummer after you pay $125 to $175 to tune your piano and a day or two later you end up with three or four sour notes

I would say that after your done tuning that you play the piano and play it somewhat hard to make sure it will hold its tuning
I know setting the pins is not easy , that's why I don't do it.
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#2014525 - 01/14/13 04:08 PM Re: Where am I after 9 months. [Re: plns]
Dave B Offline
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Registered: 08/01/11
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Loc: Philadelphia area
If your retired tuner is still in town, you might ask him for a critique.

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#2014635 - 01/14/13 08:47 PM Re: Where am I after 9 months. [Re: woodfab]
daniokeeper Offline
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Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 1105
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: woodfab
I at this point do not say I am piano tuner. I do tune my own.

I had a great tuner that tuned by ear and new how to set the pins correctly, but he has retired.

The main reason I decided to tune my own piano is due the the disappointment of the tunings I got after my local tuner retired.

It's really a bummer after you pay $125 to $175 to tune your piano and a day or two later you end up with three or four sour notes

I would say that after your done tuning that you play the piano and play it somewhat hard to make sure it will hold its tuning
I know setting the pins is not easy , that's why I don't do it.


i can't speak for your tuner. But if I tuned a piano and a day later there were sour notes, I would absolutely want to know about it. Call him back immediately and let him know.
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Joe Gumbosky
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#2014831 - 01/15/13 08:29 AM Re: Where am I after 9 months. [Re: woodfab]
Olek Offline
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Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7904
Loc: France
Originally Posted By: woodfab
I at this point do not say I am piano tuner. I do tune my own.

I had a great tuner that tuned by ear and new how to set the pins correctly, but he has retired.

The main reason I decided to tune my own piano is due the the disappointment of the tunings I got after my local tuner retired.

It's really a bummer after you pay $125 to $175 to tune your piano and a day or two later you end up with three or four sour notes

I would say that after your done tuning that you play the piano and play it somewhat hard to make sure it will hold its tuning
I know setting the pins is not easy , that's why I don't do it.


It is not difficult but imply a long training to perceive the motion of the wire and the one of the bottom of the pin (thru the tuning lever, but the ear is used of course) .

Probably 80 % of the tuners are "shooting in the dark" and need to evaluate their setting with test blows.

Learning to evaluate the springiness of the tuning pin is necessary, and allows to leave all pins under the same stress ;

if not there is a range of acceptation where the pin grips in the block, but the residual stress varies.

Usually in a good tuning, octaves are out of tune before unison. This is also because unison have a range of acceptability, but strong unison are stable, and tend to stay put because the attack energy is well regulated in a "less trouble path" , tend to stay or go back there



Setting the pins with hard blows can work, but active setting is more efficient. When firmly set a wire can be pulled with a wire hook without changing.

To tune a piano , one must not be afraid by the wire, then one need to be confident enough in its abilities, that is why so many tuners consider themselves as really good, and avoid any self criticism. Sort of "if you hear it sound good, it must sound good"

Customers that make difference between the tuner's tone are very rare. Some may even like moaning unison's , but some are really embarrassed with them.

Control on the tone attack provide control on the dynamics of tone the attack may energize the fundamental and couple the partials at the same time, the rest is a question of proportions. (because strings have differences in iH and spectra, generally)




Edited by Kamin (01/15/13 08:30 AM)
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