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#2012637 - 01/11/13 07:32 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: KillerCharlie]
Entheo Offline
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Originally Posted By: KillerCharlie
Originally Posted By: Entheo
norbert you crack me up.


He sent me a long, rambling PM telling me that Japanese pianos are terrible and I would regret buying one. It was pretty ridiculous, but it did crack me up.


norbert can take comfort in the recent Public Policy Poll that ranks used car (substitute certain piano) salesmen edging out Congress re: who the public has a higher opinion of.

11% are still not sure. i'm leaning toward Congress on this one.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_Natl_010813_.pdf
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#2013322 - 01/12/13 09:54 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: KillerCharlie]
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Originally Posted By: KillerCharlie
Originally Posted By: Entheo
norbert you crack me up.


He sent me a long, rambling PM telling me that Japanese pianos are terrible and I would regret buying one. It was pretty ridiculous, but it did crack me up.


I could say the same about most euro trash pianos .....
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#2013335 - 01/12/13 10:07 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: KillerCharlie]
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Originally Posted By: KillerCharlie
Originally Posted By: Entheo
norbert you crack me up.


He sent me a long, rambling PM telling me that Japanese pianos are terrible and I would regret buying one. It was pretty ridiculous, but it did crack me up.
If this is true I'd suggest you contact moderators as this is , I believe, against forum rules.

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#2014273 - 01/14/13 07:50 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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note/request to frank/moderators: BBS software should NOT allow edits to posts after subsequent posts/replies. i see that norbert has edited his post of january 10th AFTER a number of us commented on its content, thereby completely corrupting the context & audit trail.
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#2014282 - 01/14/13 08:21 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Entheo]
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Originally Posted By: Entheo
note/request to frank/moderators: BBS software should NOT allow edits to posts after subsequent posts/replies

Entheo

It is sometimes necessary to edit a post soon after posting to correct typos, grammar, facts, bad English, unclear statements, ill judged comments, etc. Your request would mean none of that is possible if someone posts one second later. How can that be justified, Norbert excepted?


Edited by Withindale (01/14/13 08:21 AM)
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#2014291 - 01/14/13 08:54 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Withindale]
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Originally Posted By: Withindale
Originally Posted By: Entheo
note/request to frank/moderators: BBS software should NOT allow edits to posts after subsequent posts/replies

Entheo

It is sometimes necessary to edit a post soon after posting to correct typos, grammar, facts, bad English, unclear statements, ill judged comments, etc. Your request would mean none of that is possible if someone posts one second later. How can that be justified, Norbert excepted?


good forum software allows a window for editing (60 seconds to a few minutes OR until someone has replied or a subsequent post has been made). this provides the poster with the opportunity to make corrections. it's also encumbent upon the poster to preview his/her post in case someone does post a reply quickly. it's called reviewing before publishing.

HOWEVER, once a subsequent post (i.e. reply) has been made, to allow editing means that the poster can MATERIALLY change the content of their post. for example, i post "do you think steinways are good pianos?" and get a bunch of YES replies, then i go back and change the post to read "do you think steinways are overpriced pianos?". i then copy the thread and use it to support the latter.

organizations go to great lengths to prevent liabilities like this, on public and private forums. Sarbanes–Oxley deals with issues like this, and as someone who is intimately involved in developing enterprise information mgmt software i can tell you that we could never expose our software auditing capabilities to a breech of this kind.

i would also point out that norbert's post was on January 10, 2013 11:01 PM and was edited on January 12, 2013 04:12 AM. he materially changed his post, rendering our replies confusing at best. his edits reinforce my post about congress vs. used car salesmen in a race to the bottom of public opinion.


Edited by Entheo (01/14/13 08:56 AM)
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#2014298 - 01/14/13 09:08 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Entheo]
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Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: Entheo
Originally Posted By: Withindale
Originally Posted By: Entheo
note/request to frank/moderators: BBS software should NOT allow edits to posts after subsequent posts/replies

Entheo

It is sometimes necessary to edit a post soon after posting to correct typos, grammar, facts, bad English, unclear statements, ill judged comments, etc. Your request would mean none of that is possible if someone posts one second later. How can that be justified, Norbert excepted?


good forum software allows a window for editing (60 seconds to a few minutes OR until someone has replied or a subsequent post has been made). this provides the poster with the opportunity to make corrections. it's also encumbent upon the poster to preview his/her post in case someone does post a reply quickly. it's called reviewing before publishing.

HOWEVER, once a subsequent post (i.e. reply) has been made, to allow editing means that the poster can MATERIALLY change the content of their post. for example, i post "do you think steinways are good pianos?" and get a bunch of YES replies, then i go back and change the post to read "do you think steinways are overpriced pianos?". i then copy the thread and use it to support the latter.

organizations go to great lengths to prevent liabilities like this, on public and private forums. Sarbanes–Oxley deals with issues like this, and as someone who is intimately involved in developing enterprise information mgmt software i can tell you that we could never expose our software auditing capabilities to a breech of this kind.

i would also point out that norbert's post was on January 10, 2013 11:01 PM and was edited on January 12, 2013 04:12 AM. he materially changed his post, rendering our replies confusing at best. his edits reinforce my post about congress vs. used car salesmen in a race to the bottom of public opinion.



While I can understand how you look at things, I think you are confusing running a business, a country or a trial with using a fun, informal and informative forum.

Your example of Steinway above, if they are overpriced or not, only bear relevance for those here who use their real name. For me, as an anonymous nobody I couldn't care less about such an edit. And for those who use their real name, I think most people are smarter than judging anybody based on such things.

While I could support change to a 5 minute editing window, I also like the possibility to change my posts later to add new information, like I've done to my first post here:
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...grand%20pi.html
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#2014305 - 01/14/13 09:31 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
Entheo Offline
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Loc: chicago, il
frank has a sticky topic entitled "Can I Say That on the Forum?" regarding online comments that spark lawsuits. frank is obviously aware of the liabilities, and if i were him i would treat this accordingly.

from an end user point of view this audit breech undermines my confidence in posting to this BBS, knowing that the meanings of my replies can be distorted after the fact by edits to the originating posts.
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#2014311 - 01/14/13 09:42 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 25
Loc: Beaverton, OR, USA
Have posts on PW been immutable in the 9 years since you joined? The only forum I've ever belonged to that didn't allow editing of posts has since allowed editing due to popular demand. I've yet to see a forum thread's meaning get entirely changed by an edit and it would get detected pretty quickly if it did.

If review before publication was a high priority then I'd not see rampant capitalization errors in the posts above.
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#2014314 - 01/14/13 09:49 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Entheo]
Withindale Offline
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Registered: 02/09/11
Posts: 1939
Loc: Suffolk, England
Originally Posted By: Entheo
the meanings of my replies can be distorted after the fact by edits to the originating posts.

Quotes obviate this problem.


Edited by Withindale (01/14/13 09:49 AM)
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#2014318 - 01/14/13 09:58 AM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: SteveM732]
Entheo Offline
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Registered: 01/12/04
Posts: 1111
Loc: chicago, il
Originally Posted By: SteveM732
Have posts on PW been immutable in the 9 years since you joined? The only forum I've ever belonged to that didn't allow editing of posts has since allowed editing due to popular demand. I've yet to see a forum thread's meaning get entirely changed by an edit and it would get detected pretty quickly if it did.


i've raised this issue on multiple occasions previously. it's obviously not of concern or a high priority.

every other forum i participate in supports non-editing per previous description.

Originally Posted By: SteveM732
If review before publication was a high priority then I'd not see rampant capitalization errors in the posts above.


the issue here is substance not style.

Originally Posted By: Withindale
Quotes obviate this problem.


this is true and something i'll need to keep in mind when responding to certain posters.
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#2014528 - 01/14/13 04:14 PM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Withindale]
SteveM732 Offline
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Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 25
Loc: Beaverton, OR, USA
Originally Posted By: Withindale
Quotes don't always help obviate this problem.

Even quotes are vulnerable. The key is to not believe everything you read, especially on the internet.
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#2014542 - 01/14/13 04:49 PM Re: Video demonstrating Yamaha’s new CX series grand pianos [Re: Grand Piano Haus]
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Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 540
Loc: Upstate New York
After all the dust has settled (assuming it has), the basic question raised by Rick and Buladscot has not, IMHO, been answered. Instead, yet another attack has been launched against Norbert (I thought Private Messages were, uh, supposed to be private).

I find Norbert's posts, whether edited or not, much more entertaining than, say, the initial post by Grand Piano Haus which strikes me as advertising. Furthermore, comparing Norbert to members of congress really cracks me up. laugh
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