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#2014923 - 01/15/13 01:16 PM Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is?
justpin Offline
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I've encountered some sheet music... which is odd.

Its a piano cover of Maxence Cyrin where is my mind.

Except where you would normally expect the key the piece is in, with either # for sharps or b for flats.

There is a funny one. Where instead of #s or bs they have what look like naturals/accidentals.

What is this supposed to mean?

Thanks

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#2014934 - 01/15/13 01:39 PM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
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Hm. I haven't seen that, but it sounds like maybe the piece is "modal" as we say in traditional music. For instance, if the piece has 2 sharps, which would normally make it D major, but the actual tonal center is A major and the piece has no G sharps, in traditional circles we'd say it's in A Mixolydian. A Mixolydian doesn't have a formal way of marking the key signature, so this might be a way to indicate that.

So check to see if the piece ends on an A major chord, rather than a D major, if it in fact has a "natural" sign in the key signature for G.

At any rate, see if the tonal center is different from what you would expect it to be if the natural sign wasn't there.

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#2014936 - 01/15/13 01:44 PM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
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Any chance of scanning the first couple of measures and posting it?
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#2014943 - 01/15/13 01:57 PM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
keystring Offline
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I've googled the piece and found a free version that has a key signature of 4 sharps. I didn't read the music to see whether it was in E major or C# minor.

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#2014944 - 01/15/13 01:58 PM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
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If your score looks anything like this:-

http://www.scribd.com/doc/50311572/Where-is-my-mind-maxence-cyrin-piano-sheet-music

- then it's the conventional key sig of E major, 4 sharps.

They've used an arty font instead of the usual familiar one.

(crossposted)


Edited by dire tonic (01/15/13 01:59 PM)

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#2014961 - 01/15/13 02:25 PM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
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I think that Justpin is looking at something different since he says the sharps and flats are written in as accidentals. There are two possibilities. One is where method books try "not to confuse beginner students" by first writing in accidentals before key signatures are introduced. (We've seen examples of that.) The other is where someone has transcribed what was heard by ear or some software did it.

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#2014998 - 01/15/13 03:47 PM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
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justpin, a scan would help greatly. In the meantime, can you describe more precisely what you're seeing? I understand you to be saying that instead of seeing a standard key signature (sharps or flats only, in a standard configuration) between the clef and the time signature, instead you are seeing some natural signs, plus either some sharp or flat signs, or maybe both?

Is this correct?

If so, what signs exactly are you seeing and on which line or space does each sign appear, in order from left to right?

For example: "treble clef, natural sign on fifth line F, flat on third space C, sharp on space above the staff G" (to make up a hypothetical illustration).

Is this at the beginning of the piece, or someplace in the middle of the piece?
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#2015078 - 01/15/13 06:47 PM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
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Here is one traditional way of indicating a key change in the middle of a piece:



If we're not talking about the middle of the piece here, then I agree we probably need a scan to make more progress.

(The image is lifted from Gardner Read's Music Notation: A Manual of Modern Practice, 2nd ed., p. 139.)
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#2015237 - 01/16/13 01:54 AM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
justpin Offline
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Everybody thanks.

Diretonic got it spot on. The person who arranged it merely used an arty font so that the # signs at the start of the piece looked like the naturals/accidentals through the piece....

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#2015272 - 01/16/13 03:45 AM Re: Sheet music accidentals where the key normally is? [Re: justpin]
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Originally Posted By: justpin
Everybody thanks.

Diretonic got it spot on. The person who arranged it merely used an arty font so that the # signs at the start of the piece looked like the naturals/accidentals through the piece....



That's pretty funny, I saw that and was briefly confused!
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