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#2015450 - 01/16/13 12:16 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: landorrano
Originally Posted By: Works1
a single Chopin etude is not a major work
I'd just like to point out: a single Chopin étude is not only not a major work, it is not a work.
Why do you this so? I think most would say "work" is just another name for "piece" and that a single etude qualitifes as both.
Certainly, and if I have do decide what it deserves to be called the most between "work" and "piece", I would go with "work". A piece is a work, a study is also a work. Everything Chopin created deserves to be called a work. Everything any composer creates deserves to be called a work.

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#2015456 - 01/16/13 12:29 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: fj_s]
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Originally Posted By: fj_s
I thought the Rondo in A minor (K511) is usually considered one of Mozart's finest piano works. Wouldn't that usually qualify as a major work? It's pretty musically complex, and often played in programmes and competitions.


Whatever K.511 is considered, I find it to be one of Mozart's most beautiful and intriguing works for solo piano.

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#2015465 - 01/16/13 12:44 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: Works1]
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Odd, I tend to use the word 'work' more often in relation to big works like Havergal Brian's 'Gothic' Symphony, or Mahler's 8th, or Bruckner's 8th. Or Bach's Goldberg or Beethoven's Diabelli. Anything less than 3 minutes and single movement is a 'piece'...... wink

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#2015469 - 01/16/13 12:56 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: Works1]
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Another solution to how to use the word "work" might be to use it to the composers who has put a lot of effort in their music! wink For example, it is said that Chopin worked very hard with perfecting his pieces(therefore his pieces are works), while Schubert spitted out new music as often as he took a new breath(therefore he never wrote a single work)! wink

This is of course just a joke smile

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#2015477 - 01/16/13 01:11 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: Franz Beebert]
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..... while Schubert spitted out new music as often as he took a new breath(therefore he never wrote a single work)! wink

This is of course just a joke smile


Schubert's Der Hirt auf dem Felsen is a work, but An die Musik is a piece.....

Or maybe, they're just songs, or Lieder grin.

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#2015497 - 01/16/13 01:42 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: Works1]
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Yes but how much effort did Schubert in Did Hirt auf dem Felsen? I mean, he was such a huge talent that it seems he could write down his music without even thinking, therefore, he never wrote a single work wink That's not to say that his pieces actually are works(these sounds wierd), but what I mean is, he probably did not have to WORK as hard as the majority of composers in order to get his ideas down wink

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#2015503 - 01/16/13 01:48 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: Works1]
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Well, Mozart composed whole operas and symphonies and concertos in his head while playing billiards wink......and he composed his greatest symphonies (no.39 - 41) in less than 3 months, even though he wasn't commissioned and probably didn't even know whether they would ever be performed.

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#2015506 - 01/16/13 01:55 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: Works1]
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I haven't forgotten about Mozart of course, but he is veryyyy famous for his talent. I think Schubert deserves more recognition when it comes to talent. I mean, in a year(at the age of 18(!!!!) he wrote over 20 000 bars of music, which included nine church works, a symphony, four sonatas and 150(!) lieders(he wrote several of them in just a day) and a lot more! shocked

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#2015537 - 01/16/13 03:01 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: Works1]
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The études of Chopin are a work, one etude is a part of a work and is not a work in itself. A major work. Chopin hears Paganini, decides to write not an étude but a set of études, a veritable manifesto. "Hats off, gentlemen, we're in the prescence of a genious."

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#2015540 - 01/16/13 03:03 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: btb]
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Landoro’s English is pretty damn good ...


You're darn tootin'! And my South African: "a weem o weh, a weem o weh" !

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#2015577 - 01/16/13 03:44 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: landorrano]
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Originally Posted By: landorrano
The études of Chopin are a work, one etude is a part of a work and is not a work in itself. A major work. Chopin hears Paganini, decides to write not an étude but a set of études, a veritable manifesto.
That's your personal definition of "work" and not the one used by everyone or found in the dictionary.

Here's one online dictionary that indicates that work, piece, composition, and opus are synonyms:

"Noun 1.musical composition - a musical work that has been created musical composition - a musical work that has been created; "the composition is written in four movements"
opus, piece of music, composition, piece"


Edited by pianoloverus (01/16/13 03:50 PM)

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#2015657 - 01/16/13 05:34 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: Works1]
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FYI two posts ago the Pianist Corner was at 505050 posts. Kinda neat.

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#2015925 - 01/17/13 04:38 AM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: landorrano]
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Originally Posted By: landorrano
The études of Chopin are a work, one etude is a part of a work and is not a work in itself. A major work. Chopin hears Paganini, decides to write not an étude but a set of études, a veritable manifesto. "Hats off, gentlemen, we're in the prescence of a genious."



Yes, the set is most certainly a work, but each individual component (each crucial in comprising the whole) is absolutely a work itself. To state that one of these is not a work itself is to exhibit ignorance of the work(s) in question. Do your homework.
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#2015952 - 01/17/13 06:29 AM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: stores]
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Do your homework.


Oui, monsieur! Ah, it gives me pleasure to get laid into by you Stores!

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#2016134 - 01/17/13 01:16 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: JoelW]
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FYI[...] Kinda neat.


Kinda? Who is Kinda?
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#2016173 - 01/17/13 02:31 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: BruceD]
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FYI[...] Kinda neat.


Kinda? Who is Kinda?


Gregory Kinda is an Australian pianist who made some recordings on a real piece of work , the amazing Stuart & Sons piano. www.leatham.com.au/kinda wink

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#2016191 - 01/17/13 03:04 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Joel_W
FYI[...] Kinda neat.


Kinda? Who is Kinda?


Gregory Kinda is an Australian pianist who made some recordings on a real piece of work , the amazing Stuart & Sons piano. www.leatham.com.au/kinda wink


Touché! cool
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#2016194 - 01/17/13 03:10 PM Re: What constitutes a major work for solo piano? [Re: BruceD]
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