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#1700346 - 06/23/11 06:00 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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A:
Db lydian
Gb lydian
A lydian
G lydian
Ab major penta (add a maj7)

B:
B lydian
Bb half/whole
B lydian
D ionian (add a #5)
B lydian
Ab lydian
E lydian

Oooooooh, Lydian oh Lydian, say have you met Lydian . . .
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#1700381 - 06/23/11 08:06 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Naima at home.

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Edited by chrisbell (06/23/11 08:10 AM)
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#1700403 - 06/23/11 08:38 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Nice playing Chris, I enjoyed that.
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#1700414 - 06/23/11 08:54 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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As did I. Nice stuff Chris.

Question,
First measure, why call it Db Lydian? The scale works great, but why would Db be the tonic in this case? Why not call it Eb myxolydian ?

Is it that it allows you to think Lydian throughout?

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#1700475 - 06/23/11 11:10 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Thanks Knotty and BeBoss.

Originally Posted By: Knotty
First measure, why call it Db Lydian? The scale works great, but why would Db be the tonic in this case? Why not call it Eb myxolydian ? Is it that it allows you to think Lydian throughout?


I think it's because I want to avoid thinking the tune is in Eb (or Ab). Thinking (and hearing) the chords the way that I do (triads over a pedal bass; have always loved that in Bach) frees me in my playing.
Also looking at the chords that way is a great way to get to know a tune like Naima.
A-part:
Db, Gb, A, G, Ab

B-part:
B, G, B, G, D, B, Ab, E
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#1700500 - 06/23/11 11:46 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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makes sense.
For the A part, it's Gb, not G, right ?

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#1700502 - 06/23/11 11:52 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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Hey Chris, I'm listening to your Naima right now. Very well done. You definitely seem comfortable getting inside the sound of this tune! I haven't done much improvising on it yet, but so far it's been tough to really get the right stuff. I'm going to try to record what I'm doing with it stylistically later and post it... although it's nowhere near as cool as what you're doing. smile

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#1700530 - 06/23/11 12:39 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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A-part: second chord: Gb
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#1700532 - 06/23/11 12:50 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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For those who might be curious, I'm playing (piano trio) the cocktail hour of a charity function this evening, and here is the likely set list. I've tried to keep it very mainstream, and no real ballads, but that might change when I get a feel for the event:

Four
Green Dolphin Street
Just Friends
Tenor Madness
Song for My Father
Peri's Scope
Morning
Bud Powell
How Insensative
St. Thomas
Take the A Train.

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#1700544 - 06/23/11 01:09 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: Scott Coletta]
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So here's my work in progress on Naima.

I'm wanting to try to incorporate some fills during the last A section (which I tried here, unsuccessfully), but it requires sostenuto to pull it off. I just got my piano tuned Monday after moving it so I've only had a chance to work on this a couple of times since then. No sostenuto on the keyboard.

Overall I still need to work on the timing, and I got lost during the improv, last 2 measures of the B section... oh well.

I think I like the idea of keeping the Eb and Bb pedals consistent throughout... kind of like a drone effect. But I'm not sure. What do you guys think?

http://www.box.net/shared/jnvvr3x11m9r7lqms6nd

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#1700589 - 06/23/11 02:10 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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Originally Posted By: chrisbell
Naima at home.

Recorded live at home on a H2 playing my 1928 Östlind & Almquist upright.



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Very Nice Chris! I like the medley of approaches here. 3 styles to choose from and get inspiration. smile Thanks!
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#1700598 - 06/23/11 02:19 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jjo]
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Originally Posted By: jjo
For those who might be curious, I'm playing (piano trio) the cocktail hour of a charity function this evening, and here is the likely set list. I've tried to keep it very mainstream, and no real ballads, but that might change when I get a feel for the event:

Four
Green Dolphin Street
Just Friends
Tenor Madness
Song for My Father
Peri's Scope
Morning
Bud Powell
How Insensative
St. Thomas
Take the A Train.



Nice List! I like the variety.


Here's my set list. Some are vocals though

Love Nest (V) (Bossa)
On a Clear Day (V) Uptempo Swing
I Don't know Enough about You (V)
All Blues
Naima
Mr PC
Look of Love (V) Bossa
At Last (V)
Fine and Mellow (V) Blues feel
You've Changed (V)
Canteloupe Island
Footprints
Recordame - Latin
Whisper Not
Invitation
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#1700602 - 06/23/11 02:21 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: Scott Coletta]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Coletta
So here's my work in progress on Naima.

I'm wanting to try to incorporate some fills during the last A section (which I tried here, unsuccessfully), but it requires sostenuto to pull it off. I just got my piano tuned Monday after moving it so I've only had a chance to work on this a couple of times since then. No sostenuto on the keyboard.

Overall I still need to work on the timing, and I got lost during the improv, last 2 measures of the B section... oh well.

I think I like the idea of keeping the Eb and Bb pedals consistent throughout... kind of like a drone effect. But I'm not sure. What do you guys think?

http://www.box.net/shared/jnvvr3x11m9r7lqms6nd


Scott, that was great setting a groove on solo piano. Tough to maintain that. Really good ideas there. I really liked the effect of E7#11 and you went outside. It was tastefully done. What did you play there?

I don't have much piano time in today so I'll have to discuss things in theory here.
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#1700620 - 06/23/11 02:54 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Nice one Scott, I like the rhythmic feel you get. You are definitely right that sostenuto would be good for this tune.
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#1700656 - 06/23/11 04:03 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Jazzwee: You've got several tunes I'm not familiar with:

Love Nest (V) (Bossa)
Fine and Mellow (V) Blues feel
You've Changed (V)
Recordame - Latin

I'll have to check these out.

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#1700657 - 06/23/11 04:04 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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So I had a go at it as well. I don't really know the tune well so there are some errors in the tune. I did more of a kind of theme and variations approach just exploring some different ideas. Some work better than others I think. Its easy to tell when I listen back.


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#1700680 - 06/23/11 04:31 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Amazing! Yeah, that's how it's done!

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#1700683 - 06/23/11 04:36 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Beeboss that was fantastic. Your touch is great. Concentrated tone. Balanced timbre beetwen notes in chords.

Beginning sounds inspired by that Taylor disc with Haden on bass.
http://www.amazon.com/Nightfall-Charlie-...1613&sr=8-1


Edited by KlinkKlonk (06/23/11 04:40 PM)

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#1700706 - 06/23/11 05:13 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: beeboss]
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Beeboss... very nice playing on Naima! I hope someday I can play a tune this difficult as well as you do without knowing it all that well. It sounds to me like you've been playing it for years. It's really cool how you're able to be so free with it and explore so many possibilities. cool

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#1700709 - 06/23/11 05:16 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee
Scott, that was great setting a groove on solo piano. Tough to maintain that. Really good ideas there. I really liked the effect of E7#11 and you went outside. It was tastefully done. What did you play there?

I don't have much piano time in today so I'll have to discuss things in theory here.


Thanks for the comments jazzwee. I'm going to keep working on it. Are you referring to my voicing for the E7#11 during the head or what I played during the improv?

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#1700714 - 06/23/11 05:26 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Thanks guys
Yes Klink, JT is a big influence although I don't know that particular disc. I used to have lessons with JT many years ago.
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#1700726 - 06/23/11 05:42 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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The first track starts off in the same manner as your impro. Plucked strings, and octave pentatonics. It's a great disc.

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#1700743 - 06/23/11 06:08 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: Scott Coletta]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Coletta

The above is of course all over the Eb pedal so it's just modal I guess. No harmonic functions that I'm aware of.

Wha....? The functions of the chords in bar three to four are cadencial. The Ab has to be a resting point.

As for bar the B section, one and two it really goes from stable to unstable, acting like I to V variants.

I guess I should work up a recording sometime soon too...
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#1700784 - 06/23/11 07:45 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: scepticalforumguy]
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Originally Posted By: scepticalforumguy
Originally Posted By: Scott Coletta

The above is of course all over the Eb pedal so it's just modal I guess. No harmonic functions that I'm aware of.

Wha....? The functions of the chords in bar three to four are cadencial. The Ab has to be a resting point.

As for bar the B section, one and two it really goes from stable to unstable, acting like I to V variants.

I guess I should work up a recording sometime soon too...


Yea, I see what you mean. I should've thought about it more smile. In particular if the Ab is the goal in the first section, the A7 is certainly moving towards that and even the first chord seen as Ebsus sets up the Ab as the resting point. There's no doubt that there is a constant shifting between stable and unstable. I just don't really see it as being conventional, but rather more obscured by the unusual harmonic structures. It seems that the underlying modes can be more easily traced back to conventional tonic-dominant relationships.

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#1700848 - 06/23/11 09:50 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jjo]
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jjo,

On yours, I would like to learn Peri's Scope and Four. I know them but never learned.

The ones on my list were provided by the vocalist. I couldn't play the head on these (just sight reading the changes). Fine and Mellow is just Billy Holiday Blues. No big deal.

Recordame (Joe Henderson) is a great tune. It's usually a favorite of horn players and I hear it often around town. Typically among the popular modern sounding tunes.
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#1700851 - 06/23/11 09:53 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: Scott Coletta]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Coletta
Originally Posted By: scepticalforumguy
Originally Posted By: Scott Coletta

The above is of course all over the Eb pedal so it's just modal I guess. No harmonic functions that I'm aware of.

Wha....? The functions of the chords in bar three to four are cadencial. The Ab has to be a resting point.

As for bar the B section, one and two it really goes from stable to unstable, acting like I to V variants.

I guess I should work up a recording sometime soon too...


Yea, I see what you mean. I should've thought about it more smile. In particular if the Ab is the goal in the first section, the A7 is certainly moving towards that and even the first chord seen as Ebsus sets up the Ab as the resting point. There's no doubt that there is a constant shifting between stable and unstable. I just don't really see it as being conventional, but rather more obscured by the unusual harmonic structures. It seems that the underlying modes can be more easily traced back to conventional tonic-dominant relationships.


IMHO - My analsis earlier breaks it up into various V chords (functionally or tritone subs). So if I look at it as Eb Pedal, they really are functional. Taken with the bass pedal, the logic is pretty hard to grasp.
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#1700855 - 06/23/11 09:55 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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BTW - I did get a chance to show what I intended with Naima to my teacher and for the most part he thinks I did the right thing (voicings and scales). So hopefully I won't mess up the gig tomorrow.
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#1700947 - 06/24/11 01:27 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Beeboss, that sounded great with the variations. thumb I think I liked the last variation the best. Just sounded really fitting. I enjoyed the experimentation on the rhythmic side. Really fresh sounding.

I was doing my last practice of Naima before playing it on the gig tomorrow. This is making me nervous because I'm still getting lost with the last A in AABA. This is going to mess me up if I don't get this right. The changes go so slowly that I forget If I've done 2 or 3 A's.
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#1700949 - 06/24/11 01:34 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: Scott Coletta]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee
Scott, that was great setting a groove on solo piano. Tough to maintain that. Really good ideas there. I really liked the effect of E7#11 and you went outside. It was tastefully done. What did you play there?

I don't have much piano time in today so I'll have to discuss things in theory here.


Thanks for the comments jazzwee. I'm going to keep working on it. Are you referring to my voicing for the E7#11 during the head or what I played during the improv?


I meant the improv. I was just curious what you played there.
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#1700964 - 06/24/11 02:18 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Intermediate/Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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Originally Posted By: chrisbell
Naima at home.

Recorded live at home on a H2 playing my 1928 Östlind & Almquist upright.



Note to self: oil the sustain pedal and get a new chair asap!


Very nice, Chris. The further you get into the improv the more I like it, especially around the 5min mark.

However, I don't find the rhythymic accompaniment of the chair to be as polished as the rest of the performance. Perhaps you need to focus on using less polyrhythms in your lower body and set a more stable feel with those squeaks.
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