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That said "concert tuning" is not only tuning, but many "details as well"

COnditions are not always optimum, but for instance the pianos rented for concerts or the ones in the concert halls exceptionally need a lot of work, tuning wise.

I mean all notes are checked and many are "tuned" but it is most often a job with tiny chnages in the spectra, a few tenths of cts of justnes, reinstalling the tension in the front segment of wire, warming or straightening the tone;

Checking the action regulation
Checking the pedals
checing for noises
checing the eveness of tone
Using a few tricks and tips to help the instrument in regard of the acoustics, to make the touch more nice,
In best cases, listening a little the rehearsal and noticing how the piano sound, if the pianist is at ease ,
Exchanging with the pianist about the piano

Looking for parasitic noises

cleaning the case
cleaning the keyboard

Usual concert prep is what is called "concert tuning"
And in best conditions, you make a tuning and be familiar with the piano and space, then the pianist/musician have to work, you have to come back later, , and then you do even a better job than the first of the day.

In some rare case you are there during the concert, if you notice something you can correct it at the intermede.

But most (real) concert pianos , if played by even an evolved amateur pianist, will give the impression to be perfectly in tune and perfectly regulated.
SOmetime the tuner is asking himself what have to be done on the piano , because it sound so perfect at first.

Then after testing it more closely you always find some points to correct


What oblige to do some real work is when the ^pianos are moved during winter, despite a little heater in the trucks, they are cold in the morning.

WHen a pool of tuners tune regularely the same instruments they are all attentive to leave an "easy piano" for the next colleague, so it is exceptional to find an instrument with a stability problem.
When a pitch change is asked, we ask for 4 tunings beginning 2 days before the concert and one after. In real this is not so hard, but the piano is unstable for a week or so.

Nothing is irretrievable. It was that Groot fella anyway. I'm innocent.

There's nothing profound or magical about a concert tuning. It's a tuning done in a concert venue on a concert piano for a concert artist.

One should always do one's best. I learned that many years ago, when I was asked by the wife of my first math professor to tune her piano. After I finished, she told me that she was glad I could come, because her cousin and his wife were coming to be the first soloists for the opening of Davies Symphony Hall in San Francisco.

It's really a question of time, and what your time is worth.

It helps if you know what the condition of the piano is, if you last tuned it etc..

I will be tuning an old M&H that I tune regularly in feb. It is used in a church and for concerts often.

It was rebuilt at some time, maybe 30 years ago. Not in the greatest shape.

Now they will move it to another church for a concert, about 50 kms away, in winter.

So this will be a "concert tuning".

Obviously I will charge more, and worry that it will hold for the duration. Probably go over my tuning three times, even try myself to get unisons to move.

That is just one type of "concert tuning".

A"concert tuning" can mean many things.

A piano just delivered, off the truck, for a concert.
An old piano on the stage about to be played for a concert.
A renowned artist, just got the piano, who has high expectations.
A picky customer, who listens to defects instead of the music.

It goes on and on.

Then there is regulation, voicing, cleaning etc....

At that point I charge by the hour.

man, you mean there really is such a thing as a concert tuning??? 😷😆

I get blamed for everything. That's okay. I've had that problems since I was 3 years old. Jerry did it!!

Ah yes, Trouble with Tribbles...great episode.

I used to have a lot of trebbles in my piano, but when I started to tune with an etd, they all disappeared....strange.

A concert tuning is more expensive as the tuner has to tune at a specific time (no rescheduling allowed) and is often required to stay during the performance to retune during intermission.

I think that is the reason for the difference in price.

Kees

First of all, I have never done a concert tuning ( singular).

What I have done is a series of tunings and adjustments on the day( s) prior to the concert.

Most of my work is in busy halls and the piano is in almost constant use and serviced every few days so that it is always concert ready. All that is required is a check over the tuning. In a large city, there is a team that looks after the tunings, each tuner somewhat dependent on the last. the hall is responsible for the cost of the upkeep. Halls fall into financial difficulties from time to time and scrimp a little on the servicing. We tuners know this within a few days. Our work is much harder. If a tuner develops some quirky habits, the job for the rest of us gets harder and the tuner is quietly dropped from the roster.

Halls with multiple pianos will sometimes switch pianos for a piano that might not have been used for a while. To forestall this, all the pianos get a tuning and servicing every 10 days or so and checked over before every use. This may be 3-4 times a day or the pianos may not be used for a few days.

The specific needs of a specific pianist can always be met by one or other of the concert pianos owned or leased by the hall. In large concert hall complexes, there may be 4-5 to choose from that can be ferried between halls. There is always the concert hire bank of pianos for important artists. Again, stability. No call to make major changes for one specific occasion.

For orchestras playing at a different pitch, pianos already kept at that pitch are brought in. No jacking around with the pitch.

Many of the explanations in this thread make it sound as though a lot of of work is done on the piano just prior to a concert. this is the opposite of stability. A responsible tuner, or tuning department will, in the 2-3 tunings, a few hours apart prior to the final tuning just before the concert, aim to get the piano in such a condition that. very little needs to be done just before the occasion.

This is how it is done in the busiest halls with some of what may arguably the best pianos in the world.

A small venue cannot afford this kind of service and so the same team does the same thing but less frequently. With, of course, a lower standard.

At a festival, with 2-3 concerts a day, with 2-3 rehearsals, the piano will get some attention while the hall is being set for the next occasion so the piano gets checked over every 2-3 hours. SometImes I can go for weeks doing very little but keeping a careful eye on changes in the weather. Sometimes the piano starts to change and requires more constant work to keep it concert ready.

A piano that requires a lot of work prior to a concert can hardly be described as a concert piano nor the last minute work done on it a concert tuning.

I don't think I'm betraying trade secrets or some kind of liaises- faire attitude, but with rehearsals running over, odd happenstances, the final tuning might not take place but the concert, which might be broadcast, must go ahead.

In my own personal contracts, I keep to these standards as much as poss and I am sent a schedule for the halls so that I can check over the pianos at my convenience. I keep a personal relationship with the managers and technical staff, many of whom I know from their previous jobs.

When all is said and done, concert tuning is tuning for a concert. How and whether that differs from other tunings depends on the circumstances of the concert.

Hello thank you for that detailed description. The first line resumes what was ringing strange in the OP question. You described what is real concert tuning in the musical trade . And yes that may be just that way . Then many pianos, rent for concerts by subcontractors, are technically followed by the owner of the renting company plus a few technicians and tuners.
I forget to mention that often the technical staff is not the same or do not make as mucb tunings than the tuners. Simply because they are needed for other jobs, in the workshop, more longer to realize, so they cannot be so much used to keep in shape the tunings in concert halls or on the rented grands. They may need a little more time to verify or tweak a tuning, also. So in the end the tuner pool is living a different day, always in touch with the musicians or broadcast people.

A very agreable life as long as you are not easely stressed ! But special hours and week ends ...

Many grands rented or kept in the halls are not enough worked by the responsibles and then indeed the occasional tuner can have some trouble.

Working for concerts and brosadcast oblige the tuner to be imaginative because of that, when the piano does not respect the standards of a "concert piano"

So this could have be a more appropriate way to ask , : what is a concert piano ? As concert pianos, concert tuners and concert tunings are intricately related, as a slightly different world among the pianos from dealers, families, internet, etc. Iis sort of trade in itself.

Yes, it does take a certain sort but all tuners involved in the concert department full time are given a certain amount of in home tunings to fill out the scheduling and to stop us from getting too weird.

We don't do anything non standard to any piano. There was one instance where the studio 2 piano as not getting all it's maintenance for economic reasons. The recording tech was setting up an ancient ribbon mike. I asked him if it was as old as it looked (1950's) he replied; "we have to take evasive action with this one, these days".

As for the hours, I get to go to art galleries and exhibitions when they are nearly empty. I just had breakfast with a friend at Smithfield market. There is a whole alternate society out there that work different hours. Far more fascinating people. Because we have hi level security clearance, I also find myself in places that few people get to go. They have pianos too. Some of us deliberately choose weekends and holidays so that our colleagues with families get to spend time with them.

I get to hear concert rehearsals. A lot less trouble than dressing up to go to the concert. I often hear musicians in comfort at their best. I'm home at a reasonable time. We don't do much intermission tuning here. There are parts of the world that musicians habitually ask for intermission tunings because of bad experiences elsewhere.

Yes I agree nothing "non standard" but details are making a difference, on a concert piano.

For instance we had to change a grand refused by the pianist because the first basses where noisy .

When the second piano came I come to tune it and discovered that the left caster , pointing out, generated enough flex on the keybed to make those first notes woody. Straightening the caster would have avoid the trouble.

Nothing fancy, but some techniques look like that before being categorized as "normal " !
I have a friend who brush once and a little hard the letoff buttons side with the side of a capstan tool (on Yamahas) makes a smoother letoff for a few hours !

Some pianists may ask for a lightening of touch, if not the opposite, but rarely, only if you ask about, you need time to do this and time is what misses the most, often.
I recall some days with 8 pianos to check, in different places, no way to listen to music before the last tuning of the day. But some days are total pleasure from morning to
Evening !

Sounds pretty standard to me !!

Anything more than small things, we text each other and head office.

While the angle of castors can enhance a piano, if the basic functioning of the instrument is dependent on castor angle, this is certainly a topic to be communicated to the head of concert dept for future servicing.

I recently texted a photo of the microphone setup for a certain piano in a recording studio because the tech department requested it. Team work is essential. Each doing what they specialise in.

Yes casters change the tone, but with those large unceterend wheels, there is some flex that reflect on the keybed (more strain > light shape change than a noticeable flex, we only hear the result, but the glide bolt pressure is changed)
With a good S&S bedding the casters can be any orienetation without real trouble indeed, pressure under l left glide bolt was probably not enough.

As during dry season the keyframe have yet a large tendency to raise (not so much Steinways I admit) it only can create the drop that make the glass overflow.

But basically it was mostly the left block that had some wear and had to be reset for more pressure.

However, I noticed that many technicians are not telling the team on site, to straighten the casters, or left them in the position we install. The head tech was not much interested, at those times, but the information was provided.

Did you notice how key dip can change just with the casters orientation ?