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#2021753 - 01/26/13 04:48 PM Argerich Movie
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Martha's daughter, a filmmaker, has produced a full length movie, titled "Argerich" (or "Bloody Daughter"). The film is said to chronicle Martha's professional and private life, in particular her relationship with her children and juggling career and motherhood. It is being premiered at a film festival in Switzerland. It would be a near miracle if it makes it to the US but I will keep my eyes open. It should be interesting as it may highlight aspects of the great artist that have not been made public before.
Trailer on Vimeo here

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#2021756 - 01/26/13 04:53 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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I don't know what to think...

A daughter making a documentary about her living mother?

On the other hand, why not? We have enough composers and performers missing from life and so many things to assume about them, so perhaps this move could prove great! smile

Other than that, I'm fairly certain, Andromaque, that it will be available as a DVD and/or digital download, so you'll be able to see it. Plus for such a movie it's best to view it at home, or visit France to see it... wink
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#2021757 - 01/26/13 04:55 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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I will get my hands on it and let you all know.. smile

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#2021779 - 01/26/13 05:28 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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In Australia it was on SBS a couple of weeks ago. smile
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#2021783 - 01/26/13 05:38 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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Are you sure it is the same movie (and not "Evening talks"). The moviedescribed above is just about to premiere.

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#2021788 - 01/26/13 05:43 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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Yes, it was called "Bloody Daughter". It was a movie about her private life (made by her youngest daughter). It does reveal a lot of private details and conflicts.
I am surprised it is not out yet in other countries...
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#2021789 - 01/26/13 05:44 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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I have found it. It was on the 5th of January:
http://www.sbs.com.au/schedule/sbsone/2013-01-5/sbs%20sydney
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#2021796 - 01/26/13 05:59 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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Indeed! You are right.
I first found out from the film festival site http://www.solothurnerfilmtage.ch/home/page.aspx?page_id=4003

and some interview somewhere.

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#2021813 - 01/26/13 06:35 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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Well, I hope it will come to the US soon. smile It was very interesting. It might even have been on the SBS catch-up page, but it is not there any more (if it was there at all), and I am not sure SBS catch-up programs work outside Australia anyway.
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#2021830 - 01/26/13 07:29 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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A fair amount of mention on the Argerich DB. I have seen clips, and will be interested in seeing the whole thing at some point.

I do wonder about the nasty title of the film, it rubs me the wrong way, and seems rather inappropriate. But of course genius has never been about easy-going, friendly people, and I do not know anything about the experiences of Argerich's daughter(s).

Since a young teen I have always put Argerich on a pedestal (one can take issue with her interpretations, but not her technical address), so therefore she cannot take a step forward or backward without falling off. I learned this with Wagner, big time.

Andromaque, I have missed you!
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#2021838 - 01/26/13 07:50 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: argerichfan]
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It just means "by blood" (not legitimate). smile
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#2021844 - 01/26/13 08:03 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
It just means "by blood" (not legitimate). smile

My British background has a different connotation with 'bloody'.
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#2021846 - 01/26/13 08:04 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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Nice to "see" you again Jason. I had a rough couple of months. Now healthy again, more or less.
Bloody Daughter sounds like a poor (French) use of English . wink

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#2021847 - 01/26/13 08:07 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: argerichfan]
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Maybe they wanted to catch the attention with the title. The meaning was mentioned somewhere, either in the movie or in the synopsis. In reality she is very nice, not bloody at all!
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#2021852 - 01/26/13 08:12 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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We will always have this, and I haven't the slightest doubt that Prokofiev would have loved her playing.

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#2021858 - 01/26/13 08:18 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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Maybe there is also some sarcasm in the title because the father didn't seem to care (he never recognized her and he is still not interested in recognizing her). So he probably considers her a "bloody daughter".
(There is a scene where he seems to be very annoyed because she asks him why he never recognized her - she even cries, but he is untouched.)
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#2022417 - 01/27/13 09:02 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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Originally Posted By: Andromaque
Nice to "see" you again Jason. I had a rough couple of months. Now healthy again, more or less.
Bloody Daughter sounds like a poor (French) use of English . wink


Nice to see you back here too! hope you are feeling better. Yes, it does not translate well into English. I wonder if the meaning is closer to "Natural Daughter" (i.e. as in related by nature and blood if not the law).

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#2022434 - 01/27/13 09:29 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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I have just found out that the original (Swiss) title is just "Argerich"....
I think the choice of words is intentional, probably something a weird pun. I don't really like it either, but I think it is intentional... Not the best choice, but not a translation mistake either. Obviously the person who chose the English title wanted a catchy title because "Argerich" was not catchy enough for him/her. And it did catch our attention, although not favourably.
Anyway, I have just found out that there is a Facebook page dedicated to the movie (that's where I read about the original title too):
Bloody Daughter

PS: Welcome back, Andromaque!
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#2023582 - 01/29/13 05:57 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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i love argerich as a pianist. i'm not quite sure that equates in my having interest in her home life, or home movies.
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#2120457 - 07/20/13 08:41 AM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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The movie is now available on DVD, if anybody's interested.

http://www.artfilm.ch/argerich.php
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#2120529 - 07/20/13 12:13 PM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: sinophilia]
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Did anybody follow the French very well? It sounds like it's rather a nasty exposé about family tensions, about how the father only wanted sons, and Marthe only gave him (and wanted) girls, and more about Stephanie than Marthe.

They could also be using "bloody" the way the Brits do.
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#2122710 - 07/25/13 09:17 AM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: Andromaque]
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So I got my DVD and watched the movie. Nothing nasty about it, just a honest, delicate exploration of mother-daughter relationships. The title "Bloody Daughter" is explained by Stephen Kovacevich himself as humorous/affectionate.

Chopin's first piano concerto (Warsaw 2010) is also given as a bonus.

The DVD is already out of stock.
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#2122742 - 07/25/13 10:52 AM Re: Argerich Movie [Re: sinophilia]
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I'm glad that's the case. The teaser made it sound rather salacious.
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